Can someone identify this Savage 110 trigger?

Hi all,

I'm brand new to this forum as I just purchased an old Savage 110 the other day. Based on the serial# this one is earlier than 1968. The FAQ section of this forum shows great detail of plenty of generations of 110 triggers, but I don't see this one.

I'd like to upgrade to an accu-trigger or something else that provodes adjustibility, etc. This one is heavy and sticky.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

See image.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/42185100@N08/15697081860/

https://flic.kr/p/pV6Dyq

That is one I have never seen.

That's a first generation trigger used until 1966. None of the current aftermarket triggers will drop in unless you change the sear, safety and the trigger bracket. You will also have to modify the sear or the receiver for clearance.

Thanks for the help. From my research, I think this one might be from 1958. It would be a shame to modify such an early model. Any suggestion on how to make the trigger more smooth and perhaps lighter?

On the other hand...if I do consider an after-market trigger, any suggestion on which one will involve the least modifications? Thanks!

I may have been lucky, but I have swapped a complete newer trigger assembly into one of those actions with no modifications.

Like Sharpshooter said, you'll need a complete trigger assembly to swap. Keep an eye on Ebay and Gunbroker. I got a complete 3-screw trigger assembly for about $40 a while back.

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Originally Posted by geargrinder

I may have been lucky, but I have swapped a complete newer trigger assembly into one of those actions with no modifications.

Like Sharpshooter said, you'll need a complete trigger assembly to swap. Keep an eye on Ebay and Gunbroker. I got a complete 3-screw trigger assembly for about $40 a while back.

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Thanks so much for the response. So if I'm really really new to rifles, what exactly should I be looking for?

if you can find a sear (ck w/ Numrich) I may have a two screw trigger (complete with bracket). Not as good as a three screw but may be ok.

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Originally Posted by olddav

if you can find a sear (ck w/ Numrich) I may have a two screw trigger (complete with bracket). Not as good as a three screw but may be ok.

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Thanks Olddav...PM sent to you. I really appreciate the help/guidance.

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Originally Posted by sharpshooter

That's a first generation trigger used until 1966. None of the current aftermarket triggers will drop in unless you change the sear, safety and the trigger bracket. You will also have to modify the sear or the receiver for clearance.

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I love this forum. I learn something every day!

I am modifying a rifle with that trigger, so , geargrinder what trigger did you swap this one with (pre-1966 first gen), with no modifications? because I look at the trigger that I have which is identical to the one on the original post/image, it looks like an accutrigger would drop right in.

I have tried to insert a timney trigger, this did not work.

So with all that being said, I'm looking for a trigger that i or a gunsmith can install and have the trigger that is installed be able to be adjustable down to at least 1.5 lbs.

jonbearman this is the trigger that you were going to assist me with but I could never get a pic in the website but this is the one I have.

It was a regular 3-screw pre-accutrigger setup.

It takes a whole trigger assembly to make the swap. Trigger(factory, timney, basix, SSS), bracket, sear, safety, springs.....everything.

You should be able to use an aftermarket trigger once you have everything else that goes with it.

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Originally Posted by geargrinder

It was a regular 3-screw pre-accutrigger setup.

It takes a whole trigger assembly to make the swap. Trigger(factory, timney, basix, SSS), bracket, sear, safety, springs.....everything.

You should be able to use an aftermarket trigger once you have everything else that goes with it.

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Thanks for the great advice. Would anyone mind providing links for a sear that I can purchase? Sorry for the newbie situation. Is wear I know other stuff like pistols and ARs really we'll!

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Originally Posted by Enduropro

Thanks for the great advice. Would anyone mind providing links for a sear that I can purchase? Sorry for the newbie situation. Is wear I know other stuff like pistols and ARs really we'll!

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Brownells lists it, but out of stock.

http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts...prod13056.aspx

Numrich lists it, also out of stock.

http://www.gunpartscorp.com/Products/139590A.htm

The Numrich link is for the old style sear, I believe he is looking for a newer sear.
Any way you are right Numrich does list one, just out of stock.

Dang, I was in a hurry and didn't look close enough. Fixed the links.

Thanks, olddav.

Thanks everyone. Sorry for the previous poor grammar. Using voice recogintion app as I drive.
Very much appreciated advice!

PS: I ordered it from Brownells...not sure when it'll ship, but I'm in no rush. THANKS AGAIN!

As "sharpshooter" said you will need a new safety as well, (Midway USA has one I believe). After that you will have options.

Awesome. Thanks everyone. I'll revive this thread once I have those items in hand.

Still on backorder...wtf?? Has anyone dealt with Brownells backorder ever? What's their notification process?

Do backorders normally take this long???

I've had stuff on backorder for over a year with them. Not their fault. If they can't get it, they can't get it. Depends on the supplier.

You can call and see if they have a date they expect their shipment.

Good point. Thanks man.

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Originally Posted by Enduropro

Thanks for the help. From my research, I think this one might be from 1958. It would be a shame to modify such an early model. Any suggestion on how to make the trigger more smooth and perhaps lighter?

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You can have any trigger pull professionally lowered and it still retain the original features. Just takes a little polishing. All you are doing is adding a little extra quality by lowering the pull. You won't be changing out any parts and you will still have a rare early edition Savage.. Find a gunsmith and let him lower it for you.
Congrats on your rifle

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Originally Posted by Mach2

You can have any trigger pull professionally lowered and it still retain the original features. Just takes a little polishing. All you are doing is adding a little extra quality by lowering the pull. You won't be changing out any parts and you will still have a rare early edition Savage.. Find a gunsmith and let him lower it for you.
Congrats on your rifle

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Mach2, thanks for the great advice. I love tinkering with stuff myself and have years of experience modifying pistols. I'm going to google "lowering the pull". I have dremels, and polishing wheels, etc and have done plenty of trigger-jobs on pistols. This is good stuff.

I realize I'm late to this party but I have a 1958 version and can confirm all the newer parts fit up nicely. I have a 3 screw trigger, new sear, new safety, etc. All works well!

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Originally Posted by bapayton

I realize I'm late to this party but I have a 1958 version and can confirm all the newer parts fit up nicely. I have a 3 screw trigger, new sear, new safety, etc. All works well!

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Thanks Bapayton! Where did you find those parts?

Enduropro,
Persistence is the key (I think).

Ok UPDATE! The sear is being shipped from Brownells after a 3 month backorder. Now what? Olddav mentioned needed an updated safety. Any clue where I can find one? I'm a googleing freak but can't seem to find anything that will fit an old 1958 Savage 110. Thanks all!

I have an early 110 and found the following instructions - which I've overlayed onto your photo. I adjusted my sear tension and brought my trigger down to a bit over 3lbs - I didn't bother removing the trigger to adjust the other settings - yet. Don't give up on your original just yet, they can be made to work quite adequately from what I've read, and my personal experience is such that I'm going to keep mine original. Good Luck!



http://i.imgur.com/0jNabwE.png

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Trigger Adjustment on the Savage 110 Series Rifles
By Daniel Chisholm *
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This involves reducing the trigger's "weight of pull" and "sear engagement" adjustment from that which is set by the Savage factory. You must decide if this is safe for your intended use. The following is how I adjust the trigger on a Savage bolt action rifle for target shooting -- what this means is that I never have a round chambered until I am ready to shoot, and if the rifle ever fired unexpectedly, I would be surprised (and perhaps lose points in a rifle match), but no one would be hurt (and for what it's worth, this is how I handle a rifle in the field, so I would not hesitate to take such a rifle hunting).
I own two target rifles, one is a Winchester Model 70 with a single stage Jewell trigger (set to 3.5 lbs, as required for Canadian Target Rifle shooting) (and it cost me $175 in U.S. currency), the other is a Savage 110 with a factory trigger. With the adjustment below, the Savage provides at least a comparable quality trigger pull.

Take your rifle out of the stock. The trigger spring is a more or less straight piece of fairly thick music wire, that rests against a screw with a shallow notch ground in it. This notch engages the music wire spring every half turn. Turn the adjustment screw such that the spring pressure is reduced; this will lighten the trigger pull. At a certain point, the music wire will no longer exert any pressure at all on the screw -- at this point you've gone too far (jarring the rifle may cause it to fire). Be sure to have at least one (preferably two) half-turns worth of compression on this spring. This will give about two pounds of trigger force.

The other adjustment available is sear engagement. This is the "other" adjustment (I've forgotten now exactly where it is -- but it is horizontally oriented, whereas the pull-weight screw just discussed is vertical). With the bolt closed and cocked (chamber empty), you can adjust this screw until the trigger fires -- this is the point of zero sear engagement. From this point, back out the screw 1/8 to 1/4 of a turn. This will give minimum safe engagement. If you have too much engagement, you'll have excessive creep -- the trigger will move a fair bit before firing. Too little engagement makes the rifle quite shock sensitive (i.e., it may fire from a jolt), and some people also argue that the greater resultant pressure on the sear's face may lead to chipping.

After any trigger work, you should check for safe operation. The rifle should remain cocked, even when the bolt handle is slammed shut. The Savage 110 series uses a "trigger block" safety. That is, engaging the safety prevents the trigger from being pulled far enough to fire the rifle. The adjustments I mention above, principally the sear engagement adjustment, may prevent engaging the safety, or the rifle may fire with the safety engaged. This is not a concern to me, since I never use a safety -- the rifle is unloaded until I'm ready to fire. If you need to use the safety, you should understand how it works (prevents the trigger from moving), and the implications on its operation of the adjustments you'll be making. In order to engage the safety, some small amount of trigger clearance is required; to slide the safety "on", you need clearance -- this means that you can also pull the trigger a minute amount. If your sear engagement is minimal, this may be enough to allow the sear to disengage. Reliable and assured operation of the safety will probably require increasing sear engagement beyond what would be otherwise preferred for target shooting.
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One important note about Savages and "trigger jobs."
The trigger (and its face that engages the sear) are sintered (made from powdered metal). This process results in a part that has a very hard, thin outer surface, yet is soft and ductile inside (both these properties are desirable). However, a gunsmith that does not know this may attempt to "stone" or polish this part, in an effort to "clean it up" and reduce friction.
This exposes the soft, underlying metal, which will cause this part to rapidly wear (and the soft underlying metal will have higher friction!
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By knowing this (and avoiding this mistake), you can get good performance from your Savage trigger. (By the way, the weight-of-pull adjustment screw gives about 6 ounces per half-turn of adjustment). The trigger-pull adjustment screw may be modified by grinding a shallow slot perpendicular to the one ground by the factory. This then makes it possible to adjust the trigger tension in 1/4 turn increments (or about 3 ounces per "click").

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Originally Posted by huntsman

I have an early 110 and found the following instructions - which I've overlayed onto your photo.



http://i.imgur.com/0jNabwE.png

Also...

Trigger Adjustment on the Savage 110 Series Rifles
By Daniel Chisholm * .

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This is great info. Thanks huntsman!