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Have a .308 110 that is an intermediate (4.5') reciever. As we all know, very few stocks are made for this action without big $$$ being spent. I purchased a boyd's tacticool knowing an action screw and recoil lug recess would have to be created to accept my action.
My question....what purpose does the recoil lug play? Just something besides 2 action screw contacts with the stock? If I machine out a larger area and "free float the recoil lug", what does problems will this create, if any?
thanks
The Recoil lug is supposed to transfer 100% of the recoil to the stock.
No recoil should be transferred to the stock via the screws.
Freefloat the recoil lug area then bed the stock Properly including the recoil lug.
Make sure the action screws are centered when you bed it.
What he said goes double for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammons
And, if you're not sure what the recoil lug does, take it out & fire the rifle. The first barrel change / stock modification I did a few years ago taught me a lot about recoil lugs....
I'll stop there. The rest of the story is too embarrassing.
that was my second alternative. Mass material removal and lots of bedding compund.
I assume you left the recoil lug out or something like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by fgw_in_fla
Inquiring Minds want to know. What Happened ??
I am curious.
You can send me a PM if you want to spill the beans in private.
Me 2Quote:
Originally Posted by tammons
Me 2
Come on Frank spill em in public!! wouldn't be the first timeQuote:
Originally Posted by tammons
Ya Frank we want to laugh with you not at you, all except for maybe a few members. LOL
Spanky
Franky.......Sup Dude??.....You got pics 'n stuff? :) You can post....your amongst friends!! :)
Come on man, Learning from each others mistakes as well as our successes is a big part of what makes this place great. You saw the original post and see that someone was headed for trouble, Often graphic examples of what not to do can keep us safe and our equipment working as it should.
Spill it.
PS Remove the front scope base before swapping barrels and dont remove it by force if you like your barrel threads.
There very embarrassing but it doesn't hurt much.
Alright...
If I must make a fool of myself in public forum for everyone's amusement, so be it. I mean, what the heck...
My first Savage was a plain 'ol Stevens 200 in 30.06. I didn't like the flexing stock & wanted a .270. Don't know why. Just wanted one. I found a good used barrel & proceeded to do my thing. This is where I came up with the brainstorm of rods in the stock fore end.
After the barrel change (and briefly thinking geeez this barrel seems to screw in differently) and rod / epoxy work, I wander out to the testing section of the swamp. First shot snapped both action screws as the receiver shifted back from the recoil. It took many hours to remove the screw pieces & the screw holes in the stock got a little oblong.
Also, I needed to change my BVD's...
I'd rather not discuss the black eye I got from the scope if you don't mind.
So there. Now you know.
Yes, I was STOOPID for not looking on the bench & wondering why I had an extra recoil lug sitting there looking back at me.
By the way...
The action doesn't just come straight back. It actually goes UP & back.....
And yes, my ol lady laughed too...
Miserable redneck ....
Yep, a 270 is no 223 or 22lr....
Imagine how many poor fools have been saved from this or worse by this forum...Quote:
Originally Posted by fgw_in_fla
I almost wish I was one of them....Quote:
Originally Posted by rattfink
I've always been one of the "take it apart, lay it out & clean before reassembly" guys. Even when I was a young fella & built engines.
Maybe someday I'll tell you about the 1970 Dodge 360 engine I rebuilt, filled with oil, started & while it was idling I noticed the oil pump on the bench....
Ahhh.... We all have those "off" days once in a while.
I think you might have ended up with.......SCOPE EYE
FYI that is trademarked.LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by stangfish
I would not say its stupid, would just say its one of those things that happens occasionally and we all make mistakes, just hopefully not with a gun.Quote:
Originally Posted by fgw_in_fla
Well at least you are okay and at least it was not a 458 winmag.
Have seen all sorts of blunder photos of guns, something in the barrel, pistol powder in a rifle etc. Saw where one guy nearly blew his thumb off with a S+W 460 magnum pistol just because his thumb was in the wrong place IE hanging out there a little too far.
Read about a gunsmith that set up a heavy hitter for Africa and did not check the headspace, gave it to his partner and that guy I think blew off a few fingers or a hand and lost an eye or something like that.
Heck I bet there was even a few gunsmiths that have done what you did.
It happens.
Well since we're yack'n 'bout recoil lugs and fess'n up to dumb stuff ..... I'm guess'n some of you have seen the "Ye Auld Action Ripper Outer". For those who haven't .....
http://i43.tinypic.com/2ajosi9.jpg
When installing pillars I attach them to the action and glue them in and bed the action both in one shot. One was ready to come apart, but it was stuck, wouldn't budge. I tried rocking it, giving the barrel a few good upward whacks with a rubber mallet.... no luck.
Enter the Action Ripper outer!!!! It worked it's magic once again. Not only did it remove the action, but the pillar attached to it also. Some knucklehead only removed one screw, the rear screw.
Ya know, prior to getting into long range shooting I liked shotguns & wanted to learn clays, etc. After getting my first actual centerfire rifle, it was love at first shot.
And yes, you're right. I'm glad I wasn't playing around with a 416 Rigby or some other shoulder cannon....
I don't feel so bad now...Quote:
Originally Posted by BillPa
And don't you just hate it when that happens?....
Hey!....
Maybe the name of this thread needs to be changed to "Confessions"?
LOL, Father forgive me for I have sinned..............
Well guys......those are some stories. Frank.....I'm glad you just got scope eye....and man.....next time just reverse your undies. After all....that's what I do!! I'll post a few of mine when I have some time.....I'll keep you in suspense!!!
Dave
I can see I'm in very vaunted company here......I only epoxied the front action screw in the first time out. ;)
Frank,
I admire you from afar. I dont care WHAT muzz sayz about you. OK, maybe nothin. Hate those "extra parts" like when yer buildin the kids bike on Christmas Eve and didnt know that they included a few extra nuts or bolts because the directions applied to SEVERAL models of that Wall Mart special. Details, details.
I believe there's 2 types of extra parts.....Quote:
Originally Posted by pitsnipe
Type 1 - Critical / totally necessary parts
Type 2 - Those parts leftover & deemed useless by the assembler.
If you put something together and have hardware left but it works, It was over-engineered!
Thanks Frank...if not for ur info I and others may have ended with the same dirty drawers.
I started removing wood dor the lug and ran into wait looks to an alum bed. Gonna call Boyd Monday for more info. About the tacticool
EXACTLY!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMajestic
And, by the way, little things like what I mentioned earlier, as well as a few other boo - boos along the way have taught me to always exercise extreme caution. Look at things from the simplest angle first & NEVER lose sight of the fact that your rifle (or pistol) utilizes a controlled explosion to send the projectile.
And you're holding it 4 inches from your face.
Check things thoroughly. Check then, check again. No room to screw up. You could be seriously injured like getting hit in the mug with a scope still attached to a receiver.....
Or worse!!.....You could get a sever case of scope eye from a scope that somehow got detached from a receiver for no apparent reason. Like.....I thought I tightened those screws???.....OR...Do you know how far a loose scope can fly from a 30-06 recoil?
Can't say I've ever launched a scope before. I did have some mounting screws come loose just enough to drive me crazy. Each shot was a minimum of 3 inches away from the previous shot. Using ammo that was known to be accurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by davemuzz
Got a weird one. Browning blr 243 dednutz scope mount, 2nd shot the screws sheared off even with the top of the receiver, IE buried.
Scope lifted off in mid shot but no scope eye.
My dad dropped it on the scope a few years ago, and I can only think that it must have fractured the screws. Dednutz said if you over torque the heads will twist off and he said he had never heard of base screws shearing like that.
So I've removed the the material for the recoil lug ...I know I am going to glass bed the action.....while drilling the hole for the front action screw, I found that the material in the mag well was thinner than I thought.
My two thoughts
1. Wood filler to fill in existing 5" action hole as well as the front portion of the mag well. Then drill front action and prep for bedding.
2. Bed the action as is and the portion of the mag well. Once bedding is done then drill for the front action.
Who's done it correctly and who's made some mistakes. Thanks guys