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Has any one heard of this round? I am looking for a barrel that is chambered in the 358 Hoosier. It is a shortened version of the 358 Winchester. It is a legal round for hunting in Indiana. It should be a great Deer round. They claim you can push a 200gr bullet to 2500fps. Thanks for any help you can offer about it and where I can get one for my Savage 11.
Probably not going to find a pre-fit chambered for it, but you could get a blank and have a good smith make you one if he can get the reamer.
i sure can help you out put being that its almost deer season i dont think youll have it this year anyway try AJ Brown Arms there in Bloomfield,IN they have a add in this years indiana hunting @ trapping guide
P.S. any of the barrel makers can make a barrel in this round
and P.S.S. glad to meet you neighbor what part of indiana you from im way down here in the evansville area ;-}
Hi all. Thank you much for the information. I saw the ad and called them and they are at a gun show. That makes me wonder on just how big they are. Turn around time may be a problem.
I could get another barrel for the Encore from MGM but that would cost over $500. It is my understanding that I can get my Model 7 re-barrelled for the same money and have a repeater. So for moneys sake I thought I could get a barrel for for my Savage Model 11 for around $300.
M.O.A. I live in Rising Sun. The land of the casino.
not a 358 hoosier but close. i bought a .358 winchester barrel here last year to use this year deers season in indiana. trimmed the .358 brass down to 1.8 which does not leave alot of neck. you cannot seat conventional bullets ( 200 to 225 hornady or sierra ) out far enough to get close to the lands in the barrel. i tried several loads seated short and could not find a load that shot well. i tried some barnes tsx 225 grain bullets and can seat them to an overall lenght of 2.80. the load i settled on so far will shoot 3 shots just under an inch which is more than good enough. it runs just at 2400 fps. after you trim the neck down you dont have enough neck to hold the bullet tight enough. i found if you run just the neck of the brass into a 357 magnum die it sizes the brass down enough to hold the bullet very tight.
mwilson you might want to look at taking .215" off the breach end of the barrel and the same off of your sizing die. That would give you the 358 Hoosier. That is what I plan to do. It shouldn't cost more than $100. at a machine shop. What did you use to cut your brass down to the 1.8"?
i have a lathe so it would cost me nothing to do it. but i see no need to modify anything but the brass. if indiana ever gets away from these idiot laws then i just have to use full length .358 brass. as it is my rifle with modified brass will do anything the hoosier will do except shoot the lighter weight bullets, which is no problem for me. i would rather have the penetration of the heavier bullets. theres not that much different in bullet drop over the 2.
mwilson I understand. If it isn't broke don't fix it. I may go your way. I just have to check out if that is aloud.
I was told that the cartage had to be chamber set. I don't know if that is true or not. You at any time could drop in a 358 Winchester and that isn't a legal round. It is my understanding that you can't be able to do that. I hope it works out for you.
Thank you for your time and have a great day.
no where in the rule book does it say anything about the firearms chamber. they only give case length and bullet diameter. it will work out fine. if you decide to o this way let me know. maybe i can help out
I would not recommend taking .215 off of a full length sizing die. The resulting taper would be would not be right and would certainly reduce the diameter of the brass base.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ishooter
If you have a neck bushing die, taking the .215 off would probably be better.
Ray Gunter the guy that came up with the round said today that it wouldn't be any problem. That it would work just fine. You are only talking .016 from end of case to shoulder for the taper. So in the 1.56" of case you may be talking .002 in the .215 that I will be taking out. I can't see that being a big deal. Time will tell. You all have a great day.
Not being from Indiana and not being familiar with their hunting regulations, please tell me why a standard .358 Win isn't legal?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ishooter
In Indiana we can't use standard rifle rounds. Due to our laws we can only use a case length of 1.8" and have to have a bullet no smaller than .358 to use in a rifle.
Most of our state is so flat that they think some one with a 300 magnum what ever will shoot at a deer and kill some one in the city before it hits the ground.
Now Kentucky uses rifles and kills no more hunters than Indiana. Ohio is like us and uses shot guns. I don't think they can use any kind of rifle. Well they couldn't about five years ago. That was the last time I worked there and they were *****ing about the shotguns and not being able to use rifles.
Till about four years ago we could only use shotguns or hand guns. Then they passed a law allowing us to use rifles with hand gun rounds. Now this past year they passed a law that allows us to use cases of a length of 1.8" So people are coming up with all sorts of wild cats to use for deer hunting. Most of them use .358 bullets, some use bigger and there are all kinds of cases used. I use all the 308 based rounds all ready so that is why I want to use a 358 Winchester shortened round. You have a great day.
Indiana is full of snobbish bowhunters that fight any changes to make hunting "easier" and put more hunters in the woods killing "their" deer...ya'll should hear the gnashing of teeth now that crossbows are legal...
The $190 I spend for nonresident tags to hunt in KY is money well spent to avoid the ignorant nonsensical minority that refuse to believe centerfires won't kill a bunch of innocent people.
BTW, **** near the lower half of Indiana has topography just like Kentucky...
If your going out of state anyway, go to Pennslyvania, $100.00 for an out of state license good for deer,bear and smallgame. You can shoot any caliber .22 centerfire and above.
You ar 100℅ right the bowhunters just about had a shi* fit on thee crossbow rule change ;-).Quote:
Originally Posted by BoilerUP
And your right around the hoosier forest it almost like being in the montains
For me kentucky is so close its a nobrainer to get a tag theirQuote:
Originally Posted by Russ
It would be a bit expensive and have limited application but I wonder if starting with the 300 WSM case, shortening it and necking it up to .358 could give at least .358 Win power due to the increased case capacity even at the reduced length. Might be an interesting exercise in "rule beating".
Dtech Custom Ar-15, builds the 358/25WSSM specifically for Indiana Deer hunting, you might look into that, be simpler to neck up the 25WSSM than to shorten the 300WSM case
Clearly those laws were written to prevent certain centerfire combinations. I understand that peopple are engineering around them here, but what was the original rationale of those specific caliber/case restriction numbers?Quote:
Originally Posted by mwilson
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It took out all the factory standard calibers that XPs, Strikers, and TCs were chambered in, Making it hard to use one.
Some people in this state think allowing people to hunt deer with modern centerfires would lead to a public safety concern, ie. every Tom/Dick/Harry shooting their 30-06s indiscriminately at every little noise, leading to stray bullets hitting houses/cars/buildings/livestock/people/etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by kevin_stevens
(Nevermind that doesn't happen in Kentucky where centerfires are perfectly legal for deer, and you can hunt coyotes with a 338LM if you wanted to)
So muzzleloaders and slug guns were legal for firearms, as they are range limited compared to modern centerfire rifles. Then DNR allows most any caliber over 6mm in handguns (so you could use 308 in a Sriker, for example), then allowed only pistol calibers .357 and larger in rifles, then rifles using bullets .357 or larger in a case with max OAL of 1.625", and for this year DNR increased max case OAL to 1.80" allowing cartridges like 450 Bushmaster.
I suspect we'll eventually get to using 'normal' centerfires once the bowhunting snobs realize there's not a bunch of hillbillies killing "their" deer and shooting up innocent people. I wouldn't be surprised if in the next year or two they change the caliber restrictions to allow short-cased 30cal rifle cartridges like 300 Whisper/AAC and maybe 30BR and stop there for a decade or so.
I would be happy with lever rounds like the 45-70 30-30 35 rem ans such :-)
cycler there is a guy doing that. My problem with it is that I don't have a 300wsm rifle. I do have model 7 in 308 and I have a Savage in 243 so that is why I wanted to stick with the 308 case. He states that he gets better performance than a 358 Winchester. Also the brass is really costly.
This is exactly what I had in mind. A 25WSSM case holds about 50 gr of most powders so that's right in the neighborhood of the .308 case and the case length is only 1.67" so it easily meets the Indiana regulation.Quote:
Originally Posted by 308law