wood stock for 11 trophy hunter xp bottom bolt release

Hello,

I'd like to change the synthetic stock on my 11 Trophy Hunter XP, DBM, to wood. Preferably something similar to the Boyds Classic. I see that they specify that their stocks are not for the bottom bolt release guns ( bolt release just forward of the trigger guard). I emailed Savage directly and they indicate that there is no wood stock that I can purchase through them, only a laminate thumbhole which really isn't what I'm looking for.

When I bought this gun, I assumed incorrectly that it would be commonplace enough to be able to find aftermarket wood stocks. Looking back, I should have bought the 10 TH in wood.

If anyone knows of a wood non-thumbhole stock similar in design to the Boyds Classic that fits my rifle and you could pass the info along, I'd appreciate it.

I'd venture a guess that there are a fair number of people also looking for wood stock options for the 11 Trophy Hunters with bottom bolt release.

I just purchased a Boyds Tacticool for my model 12 with bottom bolt release. I am very happy with it. It needed slight inletting with a dremel to allow for the bottom bolt release, but it was not difficult, took about 10 mins. I am by no means a skilled hobbyist or woodworker. :) Just ordered another , ( for the dbm) for model 11 trophy hunter xp in .260. Will do the same for it.

Sounds like you have the same gun I do with that 11 TH XP but in a different caliber. If you don't mind, let me know how that goes. I had read somewhere that the plastic stocks for the trophy hunters posed a problem due to something with the DBM but can't remember where I read that now. Appreciate the reply. If it goes well with your 11, a pic or two of the process would be fantastic.

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Originally Posted by syncro87

Sounds like you have the same gun I do with that 11 TH XP but in a different caliber. If you don't mind, let me know how that goes. I had read somewhere that the plastic stocks for the trophy hunters posed a problem due to something with the DBM but can't remember where I read that now. Appreciate the reply. If it goes well with your 11, a pic or two of the process would be fantastic.

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Will do... but it will take a few weeks to get the Boyds Tacticool because they just started offering them today, and they said it will take a couple weeks to get made... Anyhow, it really is not difficult... I suggest going ahead and buying it... when you get it, attempt to place the trigger guard in the stock and you can see where it hits wood. Just "whittle" it away with a dremel. ALso, compare the inside of the stock around the trigger assembly inlet area with your original plastic stock. You can see where it needs to be relieved. I just hacked away at it til everything had clearance to move properly. If you don't have a dremel, needle files and small chisels would work just as well, maybe better.

Come to think of it, there may be a problem with the DBM... will see how well it fits the cheaper plastic parts on the Trophy Hunter DBM. Will see. Regardless, the bottom bolt release is no big deal to fix.

The Boyds SA CF stocks with DBM cutout will work with your 11 Trophy Hunter action and composite DBM assembly. You may have to releave some wood under the trigger guard so the TG release lever does not bind. The stock will also be inletted for the side bolt release lever.

You may also need to use a Dremel with a sanding drum to fit the trigger guard. The width of the bottom release TG is thicker than the standard TG.

Thanks for the help, everyone.

You can open up any wood stock for the bottom release. I did it with a dremel and mill bit. If I remember, I had to remove some wood on the interior trigger area to clear the lever then milled out the area in front of the trigger guard for the release. The gun pictured is in a Stocky's varmint thumbhole.
http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/...1/DSCN5553.jpg

And/or you can put bottom metal in a stock with a dremel and mill bit.
http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/...1/DSCN0309.jpg

This thread was just what I was looking for. I got my Model 11 Trophy Hunter .308 earlier this week, and I too, am wanting to put a wood stock on it eventually. Snowgetter, those pics helps a lot, thanks for those.

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just got am 11/111 th xp on 30-06 left hand bolt an will love to have a nice wood stock on..........

You guys with the Trophy Hunters...correct me if I'm wrong, but don't they use the Axis style magazines that have the latch tab built into the plastic magazine cap? If that's the case a DBM stock isn't going to work unless you spend the extra money to buy the DBM bottom metal and metal magazine cap to go with it (an additional $140 or so in parts last time I checked).

This is where Savage's desire to save a penny or two has really been causing problems. We have the standard metal magazine cap/metal bottom plate combo, the plastic magazine cap/plastic bottom plate combo, and we have the Axis magazine/molded in bottom plate combo all being used on Savage 110's. The metal/metal combo is used on most of the premium models (classics, weather warriors, law enforcement, etc), the plastic/plastic combo is used on certain package guns, and the Axis/molded combo is used on other package guns.

It's enough to make your head spin trying to figure out and remember what specific models come with which DBM setup.

Yes, MrFurious, my Trophy Hunter has a cheap plastic latch attached as you describe. Someone told me it will still work in the new Tacticools, but I do not know for sure because I have not rec'd it yet. If it does not work, I am not real happy about that, but I am going to make my Tacticool rifles single-shot by adding a $15 single shot loading ramp from Sharp Shooter Supply. I hope that solves the problem.

My Model 12 has the better metal bottoms and I have not attempted to install it into the Tacticool. . I bought the "blind mag or stagger feed model" for it before the newer DBM stocks were even offered.

I agree 100% with your bigger point, though. I think Savage makes too many varieties of various levels of quality just to be able to offer cheaper prices on rifles that are rather economical to begin with.

Yes, the Savage TH uses the same composite (plastic) DBM frame and magazine bottom cap with tab latch/release used in the Savage LW Hunter and Savage Axis models. I am not sure if the Axis has the DBM frame built into the stock or not. But the lighter, removable composite DBM frame and bottom cap used in the Savage LW Hunter, Savage TH XP and Savage Hunter XP center feed DBM stocks will work in Savage factory and aftermarket centerfeed stocks with a DBM/HFP cut-out. Likewise, the Savage metal center feed DBM frame and metal bottom cap will also work in the Savage LW Hunter, Savage Hunter XP and Savage TH stocks. Just make sure you have the SA or LA parts to match your stock and caliber.

The metal DBM frame and bottom cap with metal magazine box and follower weights approximatley 12 oz. The composite frame and bottom cap with the metal magazine box and follower weights approximately 9 oz. So using the composite DBM assembly reduces the overall weight of the rifle by about 4 oz. The plastic trigger guard shaves off another 1 oz.

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Someone post up a good clear picture showing the full bottom plate/magazine on your TH so I can save it for use in a FAQ article showing the different DBM setups Savage is offering. Even I'm confused at this point as 1) nobody uses the same terminology in describing what they have (mag cap, bottom plate, surround, who knows what else) and 2) Savage can't seem to make up their minds on what style they're using on which models.

Try Numrich. They sell actual Savage Model 14 Classic wood stocks for the CF with the trigger guard release.
Product # 1251710 - Gloss finish with Monte Carlo cheek piece = $132.60 + S/H.
Product # 1366450 - Satin finish with Monte Carlo cheek piece = $127.30 +S/H.
I put a satin finish stock on my M11 Trophy Hunter XP in 6.5 Creedmoor and it bolted right up with no fuss at all. I did have to buy a front sling swivel stud that was threaded. Just put a bit of soap on the threads and it screws right in. I believe it was the stud with 5/8" thread length. Uncle Mike 's brand sold at Walmart.
Hope this helps. (They are in stock right now).
Jim

I have a trophy in .308 as well and have been looking for a new stock. I'll have to keep an eye on this.

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Someone post up a good clear picture showing the full bottom plate/magazine on your TH so I can save it for use in a FAQ article showing the different DBM setups Savage is offering. Even I'm confused at this point as 1) nobody uses the same terminology in describing what they have (mag cap, bottom plate, surround, who knows what else) and 2) Savage can't seem to make up their minds on what style they're using on which models.

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Here is a photo of the "bottom metal" of my .260 Trophy Hunter. Note that there is not "bottom metal" for the Magazine. It is solid plastic, molded into (as a part of) the whole stock.


http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/...psc208cebe.jpg

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Originally Posted by foxx

Here is a photo of the "bottom metal" of my .260 Trophy Hunter. Note that there is not "bottom metal" for the Magazine. It is solid plastic, molded into (as a part of) the whole stock.

Well, the link to my photobucket pic did not work... maybe MrFurious can fix it.

http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/...psc208cebe.jpg

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So Trohpy Hunters = Axis-style magazine and molded in bottom metal/surround

Several of the newer Savage models I have purchased over the last year use the same plastic "bottom" DBM clip as the Savage Axis. These include the Savage 11/111 LWH (pictured), Savage 11/111 Hunter XP and Savage 11/111 Trophy Hunter XP. The frame that is bolted into the stock and holds the clip in the rifle is also plastic. Savage did not change the dimensions/layout of the stock DBM inletting,. So you can switch out the plastic frame and bottom cap and use a metal frame and bottom cap if you prefer. You can also switch out the plastic front release trigger gurard with a metal one as shown in the pictures below.

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...ps044e1fde.jpg

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...ps1c45db1d.jpg

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...ps9ea4ff57.jpg

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Originally Posted by jpdown

Several of the newer Savage models I have purchased over the last year use the same plastic "bottom" DBM clip as the Savage Axis. These include the Savage 11/111 LWH (pictured), Savage 11/111 Hunter XP and Savage 11/111 Trophy Hunter XP. The frame that is bolted into the stock and holds the clip in the rifle is also plastic. Savage did not change the dimensions/layout of the stock DBM inletting,. So you can switch out the plastic frame and bottom cap and use a metal frame and bottom cap if you prefer. You can also switch out the plastic front release trigger gurard with a metal one. as shown in the pictures below.

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...ps044e1fde.jpg

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...ps1c45db1d.jpg

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...ps9ea4ff57.jpg

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Very interesting... Mine is clearly not like that. Mine is one solid piece, molded into the stock. I wish mine was like yours, that one allows you to replace the plastic "bottom metal" with true metal. Oh, well. It is what it is.

I have a Tacticool stock coming later this week and I will replace the stock, anyhow. I am also replacing the mag with a Single Feed Ramp. Ditch the mag altogether.

Wow, it looks like Savage has changed it up again and further discourage aftermarket stock manufactures. The plastic DBM frame used in 2012 and 2014 on the Trophy Hunter XP and I assume Hunter XP is now being molded into the tupperware stock and not a seperate part.

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Wow, it looks like Savage has changed it up again to discourage the aftemarket manufactures. The plastic frame on the Trophy Hunter is now molded into the stock and not a seperate part.

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Yep. I don't know if Savage is trying to discourage after-market business, or just trying to offer a wide variety of options and prices. But in my case, I'd have been better-off buying a used action with bottom metal. (One was posted on here after I got my new TH , and sold today for $350). Before I am done, the only original parts I'll have left on mine will be the action anyhow. It certainly makes it harder to buy new from online dealers, because you don't really know what you're getting without actually holding it and inspecting it yourself.

Oh well. Live and learn.

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Originally Posted by jpdown

Several of the newer Savage models I have purchased over the last year use the same plastic "bottom" DBM clip as the Savage Axis. These include the Savage 11/111 LWH (pictured), Savage 11/111 Hunter XP and Savage 11/111 Trophy Hunter XP. The frame that is bolted into the stock and holds the clip in the rifle is also plastic. Savage did not change the dimensions/layout of the stock DBM inletting,. So you can switch out the plastic frame and bottom cap and use a metal frame and bottom cap if you prefer. You can also switch out the plastic front release trigger gurard with a metal one. as shown in the pictures below.

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...ps1c45db1d.jpg

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I have a feeling that this is what's going to become the standard for wood stocked guns and what Foxx has will be the standard for all synthetic stocked guns before too long and the metal bottom metal and original style DBM magazines currently being used on the Classic, Law Enforcement and Weather Warrior Series models will be a thing of the past. That's the direction they're headed at least and it simply doesn't make sense to keep making three different variations of the same thing.

Ugh I'm so confused, so I'll just put it bluntly. What parts do I need, if anything, to be able to get a boyds classic wooden stock on my left handed m11 trophy hunter xp? I would put the specs down for the Boyd stock, but the page has changed and it's saying all the stocks are sold out and no longer list the fittings for it. Here's the link http://www.boydsgunstocks.com/produc...55391&cat=1219

here's a cruddy pic of the inside of my current stock, and the bottom is the same as foxx's pic below.

http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/a...1330a3b2fc.jpg

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thanks

If you want to keep using the Axis style magazine you would need the plastic bottom "metal"/surround like is shown in jpdown's pictures. The other option would be to go all metal and order the (metal) bottom metal/surround for a Model 14/114 or 10/110 FCP and the accompanying magazine that will have a metal cap on the bottom.

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If you want to keep using the Axis style magazine you would need the plastic bottom "metal"/surround like is shown in jpdown's pictures. The other option would be to go all metal and order the (metal) bottom metal/surround for a Model 14/114 or 10/110 FCP and the accompanying magazine that will have a metal cap on the bottom.

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Ok, thanks for clearing that up for me.

If you want to stick with your current plastic bottom (Axis style) clip, then you just need to order the plastic DBM frame that holds the clip in place. I would also order a metal trigger guard with front bolt release cut-out. You will only be able to order the plastic frame direct from Savage Arms Parts. I have never seen the plastic frame stocked by any site vendor.

If you want metal, call Jim at Northland Shooters Supply and tell him you need the metal frame and bottom cap for a Savage SA or LA centerfeed DBM stock. You do not need another magazine box and follower. Just squeeze the sides of your current DBM/clip and pop off the plastic bottom cap. Replace it with the metal bottom cap.

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Originally Posted by jpdown

If you want to stick with your current plastic bottom (Axis style) clip, then you just need to order the plastic DBM frame that holds the clip in place. I would also order a metal trigger guard with front bolt release cut-out. You will only be able to order the plastic frame direct from Savage Arms Parts. I have never seen the plastic frame stocked by any site vendor.

If you want metal, call Jim at Northland Shooters Supply and tell him you need the metal frame and bottom cap for a Savage SA or LA centerfeed DBM stock. You do not need another magazine box and follower. Just squeeze the sides of your current DBM/clip and pop off the plastic bottom cap. Replace it with the metal bottom cap.

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Ok, great. Sounds easy enough. I'll probably go the all metal route, just don't know if I'll buy a new metal magazine so I'll have a spare, or get a bottom cap for my current one. Probably see how much the cap is first. Thanks for the info

So it appears I don't pay attention to details. I could have swore I did't have a frame around my dbm, but I do. :suspicion: I have a new Trophy Hunter with serial starting with J, and according to the rifle dating thread, the serial # "J" prefix started in late July/early August 2013. Sorry for causing any confusion, but looks like jpdown had it right when he saying that the latest models from the past year have the frame.

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So it appears I don't pay attention to details. I could have swore I did't have a frame around my dbm, but I do. :suspicion: I have a new Trophy Hunter with serial starting with J, and according to the rifle dating thread, the serial # "J" prefix started in late July/early August 2013. Sorry for causing any confusion, but looks like jpdown had it right when he saying that the latest models from the past year have the frame.

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Dang it all!!!!

The serial number on mine starts with a "J" and I did not get any kind of plastic or metal bottom metal around the frame of my TH! I guess in my case, "J"stands for, "You got Jaked." LOL

are there any updates to this

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are there any updates to this

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As far as my experience and DgTerrell's tell us, some of the Trophy Hunters are made with inletting in bottom of stock to allow a plastic version of bottom mag surround metal and some to do not. If you look at the two photos you can see two versions. Before you buy, I'd suggest you inspect the stock to see how the one you might buy is designed. Unless you plan to modify it somehow, it does not really matter. If you want to replace the stock, you need to understand the differences. Or if you think you might want all "true metal" bottom metal someday, don't get one like mine, it won't take it. I don't really feel cheated, I just didn't get as nice a stock as I might have had the luck of the draw gone differently. Savage will build them the way they choose, we can buy what we choose. They never advertised it any differently.

That's how I see it, anyways.

The very first Trophy Hunters with synthetic stocks had the plastic bottom metal/surround. However, given how Savage never stops looking for ways to save a few pennies and increase their profit margins, they realized they could mold that surround right into the stock the same as they do on the Axis stocks and save the money and hassle of having a separate piece for those models. Thus the molded-in stocks like foxx's were born and are now the standard.

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Originally Posted by J. Baker

The very first Trophy Hunters with synthetic stocks had the plastic bottom metal/surround. However, given how Savage never stops looking for ways to save a few pennies and increase their profit margins, they realized they could mold that surround right into the stock the same as they do on the Axis stocks and save the money and hassle of having a separate piece for those models. Thus the molded-in stocks like foxx's were born and are now the standard.

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I thought about this too. My TH is a left handed model. So I thought maybe since they sell so many less in LH, they may have several left of that design and are still putting those on. Just what kind of popped in my head when foxx said his was different.

That's possible, but it's more likely that yours just sat in the distributors warehouse a lot longer due to it's being a LH model. Savage doesn't build a gun unless they already have an order for it from a distributor. The only warehousing they do is of parts and pallets of freshly built guns waiting on the remainder of the order to be built before they're shipped out. That waiting area in the factory is about the size of an average high school gymnasium.

Sounds like a reasonable explanation to me.

Good morning, DgTerrell!

The tech specs now are available if you revisit that link. Also, in order to offer you more help, we would need to know whether yours has a center-feed, stagger-feed or detachable mag.

Please let us know if we can be of further assistance!

Thanks!
Wendy

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Good morning, DgTerrell!

The tech specs now are available if you revisit that link. Also, in order to offer you more help, we would need to know whether yours has a center-feed, stagger-feed or detachable mag.

Please let us know if we can be of further assistance!

Thanks!
Wendy

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Thanks, I appreciate it.

I think the magazine BDM thing is wholy over rated. Other than being able to pull a full mag I see no advantage in haveing a detachable magazine. Nothing wrong with the blind mag at all. I believe in the KISS principle. Simple with less parts and less cost. The only BDM I have on my Savages are with my XLR chassis. As a long range target shooter I load one at a time anyway. As a hunter I put 3 in the blind mag and load one. When done hunting eject and cycle the other too. Why would you need 10 rounds on a target/hunting rifle. I have single shot followers on all my stagger feed blind mag target rifles anyway for ease of loading single rounds. Toss that cheap plastic crap and put the mag body in a Boyds stock and be done. Less to go wrong and you won't screw up your stock milling or dremelling to inlet a BDM. The Boyds Thumbhole VT is the best value in aftermarket stocks for Savages. With the bottom bolt release you only need to do a small bit of inletting to get everything to fit.

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I think the magazine BDM thing is wholy over rated. Other than being able to pull a full mag I see no advantage in haveing a detachable magazine. Nothing wrong with the blind mag at all. I believe in the KISS principle. Simple with less parts and less cost. The only BDM I have on my Savages are with my XLR chassis. As a long range target shooter I load one at a time anyway. As a hunter I put 3 in the blind mag and load one. When done hunting eject and cycle the other too. Why would you need 10 rounds on a target/hunting rifle. I have single shot followers on all my stagger feed blind mag target rifles anyway for ease of loading single rounds. Toss that cheap plastic crap and put the mag body in a Boyds stock and be done. Less to go wrong and you won't screw up your stock milling or dremelling to inlet a BDM. The Boyds Thumbhole VT is the best value in aftermarket stocks for Savages. With the bottom bolt release you only need to do a small bit of inletting to get everything to fit.

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Rifleshooter308, would any additional parts (besides the stock magazine body, spring and follower) be needed to convert a DBM Trophy Hunter XP to an internal box/blind mag in a Boyds stock?

Just joined the forum. I purchased a wood stock directly from Savage last year for my synthetic 110. I purchased over the phone. Cost me $116. Dropped right in perfectly. It's free floated and looks awesome! I thought about going after market but thought the price was too good to be true!

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Rifleshooter308, would any additional parts (besides the stock magazine body, spring and follower) be needed to convert a DBM Trophy Hunter XP to an internal box/blind mag in a Boyds stock?

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Depending on how tightly your magazine box fits into the cutout, you may need to either shim the magazine to get it placed correctly or else use an "L" clip that holds the rear of the magazine at the correct height. Don't know the Savage part number offhand for the L Clip, but they are extremely inexpensive.