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I just picked up Petersen's rifle shooter mag today and the cover story is about Savage's new model 12 LRP. from what was written, this thing is a shooter right out of the box. It comes in 243win 260 rem and 6.5 creedmoor. the test rifle was in the 6.5 and shot a ten shot group at 800 yards that measured 6 inch's. has anyone out there got their hands on one yet? leave it to savage to out do themselves again.
I haven't shot a factory 6.5 creedmoor yet but I built one that shot 1/2" with box ammo. Ruger looks like they some very promissing rifles in 6.5 creedmoor and are quite a bit cheaper than Savage.
ya this thing shot that group right out of the box with factory ammo. the writer said he got bored shooting at targets set between 300 and 600 hundred cause it wasnt a challange the gun never missed,so him pushed it back to 800 and shot that group. its a great looking rifle also.
I love mine in 260. Has shot all test groups so far sub 1" which isn't saying much, but I am not a very good shooter, so it is probably capable of much better. I really like the look/feel and the DBM. I like heavy rifles for some reason.
Give us some pictures of these guns... I cant find one anywhere to get my hands on. Only picture I have seen it the savage website.
Here is a quick pic of mine. Poor quality cell phone pic, sorry!
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I have one in .260. I'm planning to go out in the morning and rattle steel out to about 1200, now that I have a decent load.
I like the feel of it (feels just like an LRPV, odd :) ) and it was pleasant to shoot on the bench. Now it's time to go roll in the dirt and see if it was worth waiting for.
BTW Thanks for the heads up on the article, Guns also has an article on the .338LM 110BA, sweet!
I had my story about LRP in 260 posted previously and its not so sweet :-\
jinx
Please elaborate
It was inaccurate with heavy fouling. Basically its in Savage repair shop for more then a month now, it requires new barrel.
The really great thing about mine was that I ordered it from NSS and it was at my FFL in a few DAYS!!! Woo Hoo!
I read that, It's unfortunate you had that experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by jinx-)
Either you got a bum one or there's another issue at work. Several other people including myself are using the .260 with good predictable results. Before you go badmouthing ALL of them you should probably sort out the issue with yours.
I bought an LRP new that had a warped receiver and couldn't be zeroed in at under 200 yard with an NXS. Savage fixed it and it's amzing like it should have been in the first place. You didn't see me whining all over the forum. It's a production item sometimes things happen. Like I said, I'm sorry yours went down that way but I'm thinking a vast majority of them will be great right out of the box.
Mine is SWEET!
".....Before you go badmouthing ALL of them you should probably sort out the issue with yours."
That appears to be exactly what he's trying to do.
"..... You didn't see me whining all over the forum."
??? I didn't see him whining all over the forum either. The man had a problem with a new Savage rifle and reported it. I believe this site is supposed to be more than just a Savage Mutual Admiration Society. As great as they are, every Savage rifle is not perfection. I know. I own 14 of them.
uj
It's just lately I been having special "luck" on defective firearms, this is not about Savage, but its driving me to the edge :-) I think gun manufactures should step up QC-QA specially on their high end rifles. With no return policy on the firearms it leaves us consumers deal with their mistakes. If you buy new car and transmission drops as soon as you leave dealer lot, you as consumer have more right then if you buy defective firearm. Many stores will kindly send your firearm for repairs, but there is no exchange or refund, unless it comes from manufacture. I been dealing with Savage because of my issue for more then a month and they are doing great job, they recognize issue straightaway, but because of their production being backed up they made me an offer to a different model different caliber and I think I will take their offer and I will thank them. The 260 LRP had it all, but one thing was missing, the main purpose why I bought it.
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Originally Posted by Uncle Jack
Perhaps I was a little harsh, I stated that I had one and it was nice. Seemed like dude was being contradictory.
I realize they aren't perfect. They're mostly functional like an air cooled VW, decent price, pretty reliably and very user serviceable which is why I have quite a few of both. I've come to understand it's a bit of a gamble to buy new things and my expectation is that I may have to use some diligence to get things resolved if I get something that doesn't perform to expectation. I just choose to allow the situation to go through process before I publicly denounce something. The thing that I've learned to count on with Savage is that they've been more than generous with helping me out when it was my fault and have always made it right when it was theirs
Jinx,
If it were me I'd have them fix the LRP seems like that one was what you wanted in the first place. It may take a little longer; but, ultimately I think you'll end up with something maybe even a little better than what you expected (unless of course they offered something a little higher end )
Sorry to hear about that Jinx, Glad to hear Savage is trying to make it right though. I was just telling my girlfriend about wanting to get a 6.5 Creedmore last week, and when she saw the magazine her comment was (so I guess this is our next rifle)lol. She knows me so well. she is a rare breed would rather go shooting than shopping.
".....she is a rare breed would rather go shooting than shopping."
For God's sake, don't let her get away!
uj
Uncle Jack you are a wise man and my momma didnt raise no fool she is a keeper for sure! bad thing is we were shooting a couple of weeks ago and she out shot me with my own rifle at 645 yards. ouch i say, and this from a gal that until 6 months ago had never shot anything bigger than a 22.
Amen, UJ!! Some folks here seem to be really touchy about problems and complaints! If you have a problem you are labeled a "whiner" instead of people reading and understanding what is happening.Quote:
I didn't see him whining all over the forum either. The man had a problem with a new Savage rifle and reported it. I believe this site is supposed to be more than just a Savage Mutual Admiration Society.
bowhunter, definitely keep that one! My wife is a good shot, but would rather shop, but at least she would rather have me shooting while she is shopping!
I think I'll just lay low for now, no whining etc...
Have fun ;-)
Hey Jinx, sorry about opening up a can of worms, I was just excited about this new rifle from savage, I don't think you were whining at all, with a group like that you were just stating a fact! I have had shotguns shoot tighter patterns! Well I wish you the best and I do appreciate your Input on this subject, that's why this site is here, to hear both the good and bad and hopefully to help solve issues that folks may be having with their Savage's. Jay
You might thank me after all, the machine which was making 6.5mm is taken down for repairs, so nothing what I experienced will happen again., maybe ;)
well dang thats great news for sure jinx! so if you dont mind me asking what did they (savage ) offer you in replacement of your LRP? Jay
LRPV
Just ordered one in 243 from NSS.Now it's just a waiting game til it gets here.
Do these come with the picatinny base like they they show in the Rifle Shooter article or was that something added for the magazine?
no, no basses just rifle, accutrigger key, trigger lock, target and ear plugs ;) I would suggest 20 moa one piece base.
Bummer,thanx
Little late on this, but I had the chance to shoot one of the new Model 12 LRP in 6.5 Creedmoor yesterday. Seems the local range had a Savage day recently (yeah I missed it because of work) and figured I was just out of luck. When I stopped by yesterday, the smith said 'I have gun for you to shoot!' - yup he sure did. This one had what looked like (we took a tape measure to it) 24 inch barrel, nice and heavy - stock reminded me of the beavertail synthetic I have on my 20 Tac (courtesy of Jim at NSS), target action / trigger (Sweet!) a Nikon BDC scope.
It was the try before you buy thing Savage seems to having going - problem is I want one now. Hornady 140gr factory loads, first shot at 100yd and right in the 2in target they hung up. Pulled the next one, but the next three just stacked up on the fist - dang. Factory load and out of the box rifle. Now to figure out if it was the rifle or the caliber. Lite recoil, and dang thing shoots like my custom 20 Tactical.
Do I pull the barrel on the 223 VLP and replace with a custom 6.5 Creedmoor, or just find one of these Model 12 LRP's - lol, love that Target trigger.
Hey Right on, I wish I had a range around here that savage would do the same thing, but then again my check book would not like it to much.lol what I would like to know is how is the Creedmore compared to the 6.5-284 as far velocity and such? I know the 284 is a barrel burner.
Where are you at Mike?
Anyway one of the ranges I'm a member of had a savage day the other day. I got to shoot this new LRP in 6.5 Creedmore. I shot it quit a bit, as the savage guy said he didn't want to take any ammo back with him.
I was very impressed with the accuracy of this rifle. We were shooting it off of a bench at 600 yards, with factory hornady ammo. And it just didn't miss, to the point I was starting to think the target puller wasn't moving the spotter. It was almost boring, you pull the trigger and it put one in the 10 ring right were you wanted it. The most amazing part to me was during the coarse of the day it probably had 300+ rounds shot through it with little to no time to cool and was never cleaned. But it just kept shooting.
I can't help but wonder what it could have done with some good hand loads. Put a better scope on it and in a good rest that thing would be hard to beat.
so at the Savage day show, you shoot rifle and buy the one you just tested? Weird Savage factory is like 200 miles from where I shoot, but never heard about Savage day. Probably because they have to pass Remington plant on the way here :-)
The savage day here was put on by a local gun smith. Some how he got someone from savage to bring down 9 guns, and nikon brought scopes and hornady ammo. Let people try everything out. I personally wasn't looking to buy anything when I went, but I left wanting to get a 6.5 LRP, and a new nikon spotting scope. I'm sure I wasn't the only one.
You didn't buy the one you tested, there was only one of each at the range for everyone to try.
racinready300ex, in the DFW TX area.
They had 2 300 WINMAGs, a 17hmr, one of the 308 F class jobs, the Model 12 and a hunter style 6.5 Creedmoor. The day of the event they also had H&K there, so with Savage, H&K, Nikon and Hornday they had some nice stuff out I would think (don't know for sure since I wasn't there).
Can't stop thinking about that Model 12 LRP or the Creedmoor, dang it. Wonder if I built one off my 12 VLP if it would shoot as nice,LOL. Still love that target action and trigger.
Well I've had my LRP for about 2 weeks now and am not impressed.I haven't used any factory ammo but have tried 55 grain to 105 grain bullets and get groups below 1.5" @ 200 yd. Maybe I just have too high a standard,but with what I've been feeding this thing it should shoot better than this. Been a reloader for 30 years and usually don't have a problem getting something to shoot.I might have to give up on this one.
looks like you got 0.6 - 0.7 MOA riffle, I would suggest another barrel, that's what I'm going to do on my replacement...
How many rounds do you have down the barrel?Quote:
Originally Posted by 243LRP
125+ so far w/regular cleanings. I actually had a promising load the other night,60 gr Sierra HP touching the lands got a .99" @ 200 yds.,but I think it should be capable of better. I don't understand why the magazine is so long and the throat seems short to me. 95 gr VLD's are maxed @ 2.850",that would fit a Remington short action magazine no problem. I was really hoping for more accuracy with 55 to 70gr bullets for hog hunting @ 300+, guess I just need to experiment more.
I think I have promising load as well, 3 shots 2.343"@500 yards, but 4th shot open up to 5.2"
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I'm using 105 gr A-Max and 29.6 gr Varget
I also tried 87 gr V-Max same distance, don't know what exact measurements are have to measure that pen ;-)
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The Hornady factory loading with the 140 A-Max is so consistently accurate that I find myself wondering, other than the cost factor, why I hand load for my Creedmoor. Looking at my shooting notebook I can't find any meaningful statistical advantage my 140g A-Max hand loads have over the factory stuff.Quote:
I can't help but wonder what it could have done with some good hand loads.
So far my 243 seems to favor the lighter bullets,which is weird with a 9.25 twist I thought it should do well with heavier long range bullets.
I think you need 1:8 twist to handle those 100+ grain bullets
cost it cost less to reload in the long run and it fun to know that the groups your getting are from your hard work not some 10 ton machine stamping out things that might or might not be quality piecesQuote:
Originally Posted by wbm
It won't shoot 95 VLD's either but they work great in my Remingtons with 1-10 twist. Go figure.
243LRP, have you call Savage to find out what they use to test LRP in 243?
70 gr B-tip. Why would you market a gun as "long range" that wouldn't shoot heavy streamlined bullets accurately?
Its all about marketing strategy and how they win minds of specific layer of buyers, which wouldn't spend money on F and Benchrest or LRPV rifles, for the same reason it was placed under target category when in reality it should be in varmint with its 26" barrel.
The only thing twist does is stabilize the bullet. Just because it is 1:9.25 doesn't mean it will be most accurate with heavy bullets, just means they shouldn't keyhole. I have a Rock River AR with 1:8 twist that hates anything over 55 grn bullets. It SHOULD be wonderful with 69 grn or 75 grn A Max. Yep, it stabilizes them but they group bad. Drop back to the 55 grn and all 10 in an inch.
Jinx, I am picking up a LRP in 6.5 Creedmoor this week. I am hoping I have a little better luck than you did.
Jamie, I had TC ICON PH in 308 and 1:12 twist which I sold and bought LRP, I had no problem putting 150 - 175 gr bullets under 1/2" more like 1/4", of curse TC has 5-R riffling, but the idea is, if barrel done right it should shoot straight, I also have SPS-V in 223 with 1:12 twist, it loves 50 - 55 gr bullets, same accuracy as TC and both factory barrels.
Yep, it should but sometimes it doesn't work out like that. 1:12 twist are common in both those calibers for those weight bullets. I have a 1:8 Mcgowen .243 barrel that will shoot everything from 55 grn to 107s under 1/2" with it's favorites going into 1/4" but most barrels have a specific range of bullets they like and a faster twist does automatically make the barrel like heavier bullets over lighter ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by jinx-)