Savage reciever not straight at scope base... wtf?

So I got the threads chased (previous thread). Tried the factory cheap scope bases and they seemed "off". Tried leupold rifleman 2 piece base.. seemed off. So I picked up a Warne 1 piece base and this is what I got... my reciever is not flush front to rear... you can how the rear goes "uphill"... base is contorted to the front where it appears correctly flush and nice and straight. Anyone ever see this? It's a hunting rifle, won't see shots past 150 so I think it'll be fine, but this is new to me. Never seen a rifle out like this before. Attachment 8768

I do have a wheeler lapping kit.. thinking I should try? Obviously the rings aren't in alignment

So this is with a rule laying across.. you can see the dip downward at the rear of the reciever and the gap.. is this normal??Attachment 8770

No, that’s not a normal thing unfortunately. An option in your case might be bedding the rail. Bedding with something like Devcon Plastic-Steel (my favorite), or equivalent will give you a nice flat surface. Then you can chased the threads with a tap. You may need a couple slightly longer screws for the rear as well. Do this & you’ll be GTG.
I use his: https://www.amazon.com/Devcon-62345-...72&sr=8-3&th=1

Here’s a better picture orientation.
https://i.ibb.co/pWZbD3s/B1-A46-B9-E...59-F00-B38.jpg

It's unfortunate but I believe you'll be 100% good to go bedding it as Dave suggested. My local Ace Hardware has a nice assortment of those 6-48 screws, I don't know how many times I waited for an order to be shipped before I figured that out.

Many people Bed the rails regardless. I was tempted to as there was a sliver of imperfection. However there was no interference with torquing down & all was flush after. Rings still aligned correctly. So I let it go.

Where are you located Sh40674? I’m a bit South of Philadelphia. If you are anywhere near, I’d be happy to give you a hand, if you have any reservations. It’s easy peasy lemon squeezy, long as you know the steps ;)

there hand buffed and sometimes its Friday afternoon. bed it or go with 2 piece base & Burris Signature rings.

I am gonna say go with Blue Avenger on this one. 2pc base and Burris Sig Zee rings. Been a winning combo for me many times in similar situations.
Bedding will get it done nicely also, I guess it just depends on what you have at your disposal.

If you are anywhere near Iowa City, I do believe Scheels in Coralville had some Sig Zee's in stock last time I was there a few weeks ago.

I wouldn’t two piece. The rings won’t line up even a little bit! Be trying to mount the scope on two different planes. I really think bedding is the answer here.

I hear you there Dave, but with the Sig Zee rings the ball swivel inserts inside the scope rings allow for misalignment and let the scope sit straight and even with no added pressure to the scope tube. Bases can be pretty far off and scope still aligns well. At least that has been my experience, especially when coupled with the offset inserts available separately to allow for compensation at basically any angle.

I agree bedding would be the best, but I guess I was just leaning towards simplicity since the OP is in a time crunch.

Gonna give bedding a try. I'll update how it goes since it'll he my first attempt lol

My big worry was I bent my new Warne base, which is normally 60 bucks but I got the last one on clearance for 30 lol, luckily I laid the rule across it and it appears straight. At least I have that going for me

Set the base on against a piece of glass. or a known perfectly flat surface if you have one.

If you want any pointers on bedding the rail, let me know. I have a pretty good system for it. Does a nice job, cuts down on mess, etc.

LOL Back in the 70s there would probable be a sliver of pop can for a shim. did not have as many better choices

First I would mic to the best of my ability from front to back. Should measure around 1.355. Then I would set the barreled action up in some v blocks with something on the barrel end to control thrust. Hang the action off the end of the v block. Remove the trigger and hanger. Then put an indicator at the rear action where you have the most surface to run a TIR. Just behind the mag port is best. Let us know what your readings are. This will tell you your next move. There are people that screw actions up by using a tool in the mag port/ejection port to remove the barrel. A big no no. There are people that will sell the screw ups too.

Then there are people like me that fix the screw ups.....I've straightened many a twisted and bent receiver.

The pictures don’t look like it’s twisted. It looks exactly as Blue Avenger mentioned, the Action had material unevenly removed. The straight rule is touch the front portion of both screw locations. It then leaves light showing through at the rear of both screw locations. A twisted Action doesn’t look like this. Twisted, the screws won’t be aligned. This is a simple bedding fix. OR: It could be welded. Build up a pool material & turn it back down. Then drill/tap the screw locations again. Uh-huh… I’d bed it!

Well my first bedding attempt thankfully didn't go well (I say thankfully because I caught it).
I checked out a video where a guy after about 6 hours released it to more easily clear the screw holes. I did the same, I used shoe polish as a release agent. However, the polish did not do a good job, it was slightly gummy still. I kinda messed up and broke the gap so I decided to pull and start over while I could still get the jb weld off. To my surprise it was just as adhered to the reciever as it was the mount. I didn't clear the old out of the screw holes in the base, I'll just have to carefully drill those, but I started over and used Vaseline this time. I'll check in the morning, should be about 12-13 hours by then.

Well, I told you to contact me.:p I could have easily walked you through step by step.

I just hope you didn’t tighten down all 4 screws. And just checking; the video you watched.. I hope it did show you apply epoxy to the rail itself, not the Action surface.

Absolutely. I had no questions,seemed pretty straight forward. Just surprised it pushed through the polish

Yeah… That’s why I don’t use polish. I would have told you Vasoline from the start.

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Originally Posted by sharpshooter

Then there are people like me that fix the screw ups.....I've straightened many a twisted and bent receiver.

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my first thought too, but some people are shy about that. It's not very hard if your patient and don't try for all of it at once

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Originally Posted by Blue Avenger

there hand buffed and sometimes its Friday afternoon. bed it or go with 2 piece base & Burris Signature rings.

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This is your best way to go. 2 piece with Burris signature.

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Originally Posted by Iowa Fox

This is your best way to go. 2 piece with Burris signature.

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OK… Once again, adjustable rings do nothing for the rail not fitting due to too much material removed from the Action. So no they are not best. More like a “jury rig” at best. The best way to go is addressing the absent material of the Action.

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Originally Posted by Blue Avenger

there hand buffed and sometimes its Friday afternoon. bed it or go with 2 piece base & Burris Signature rings.

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Ddepends on the age of the action we're dealing with Greg. As the pic's show, this one is a round top so clearly it's 2003 or newer.

It was around 2004 or 2005 that Savage started using the rotisserie vibratory polishing system - the same time that they came out with the high luster bluing on the then new Model 14/114 Classic's. While the high luster finish is no more, Savage still uses this process. Only difference between the "standard matte" finish and the "high luster" finish was that the high luster guns went through a second process in a second unit that had a finer grit of stone in it.

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That looks better then the open tank I had to find S&W frames in. 4ft by 20". If I put 30 in, I had to make sure 30 came out. No inventory count allowance was allowed.

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Originally Posted by Dave Hoback

OK… Once again, adjustable rings do nothing for the rail not fitting due to too much material removed from the Action. So no they are not best. More like a “jury rig” at best. The best way to go is addressing the absent material of the Action.

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Your exactly right in as far as your letting your self go with rail mount. He dose have a 2 piece mount that could have been used. Not needed now as he bedded the rail.

Fix it or let someone else fix it. You will likely damage any scope you try to secure to that rail. You would be luckier still if the scope could be zero-ed. Lapped rings or not. Sharpshooter has fixed them( and so have I). It takes some know how with proper tools and instruments to do it right. It needs to be tested for straightness and to make sure the bolt travels smoothly in the action. It helps tremendously if you have done it before. It is also possible that rail is already garbage. For people who have never done it it seems like an easy backyard shade tree mechanic hack would work. And maybe this once it might but from a guy that brought home a tee shirt there is too much bend to expect things to fall into place with a little epoxy between the base and the rear of the action. The screw axis is even different. So send it to Sharpshooter and be happy. He will get the base mounts as linear as anyone can get them. He can make the front and rear of the action concentric as best it can be restored. Your bolt will slide easily and you will have a nice action. For a little more, timed and trued.

Send it to Sharpshooter to straighten if you want it done right. Or the zee rings will work if you just have to. If you don't fix it you are going to crush the tubes on your scope.

A little different take from my eyes. I know we all like to tinker and fix/improve Savages but that looks like a straight up manufacturing defect that made it through quality control un noticed. I would think Savage would just straight up replace that one without regard to age and no questions asked. Its not like that part of the receiver is a wear and tear item or anything. Well... unless youre using it as leverage to break lugnuts loose or something.

I had one with the same problem and had Savage replace it under warranty.

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a little different take from my eyes. I know we all like to tinker and fix/improve savages but that looks like a straight up manufacturing defect that made it through quality control un noticed. I would think savage would just straight up replace that one without regard to age and no questions asked. Its not like that part of the receiver is a wear and tear item or anything. Well... Unless youre using it as leverage to break lugnuts loose or something.

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b-i-n-g-o

Forgot to update. I did epoxy, lapped rings, threw an old scope on there to test and took it off and no damage. Put my burris on and shoots lights out. No issues with accuracy or damage. I was happy to have my 358 and also to harvest my biggest buck last weekend!
Would savage do anything with it being older? Would prefer to not dump more money into it

Like I said. ;) You’re welcome, LOL.

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Originally Posted by Dave Hoback

Like I said. ;) You’re welcome, LOL.

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Need a little validation Dave? Thanks .....LOL

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Forgot to update. I did epoxy, lapped rings, threw an old scope on there to test and took it off and no damage. Put my burris on and shoots lights out. No issues with accuracy or damage. I was happy to have my 358 and also to harvest my biggest buck last weekend!
Would savage do anything with it being older? Would prefer to not dump more money into it

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They would replace the action with a newer round action it they did anything. You would be buying another base

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Like I said. ;) You’re welcome, LOL.

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Haha thanks man! Always appreciate input whether I hit people up on their offers or not. I dont mean to offend anyone if I don't hit them up, I'm a guy who likes to experiment and fail and learn the hard way sometimes haha

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They would replace the action with a newer round action it they did anything. You would be buying another base

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They sent me an email back asking for a little more info (serial number and such) gonna wait to hear from them and go from there. I kinda want to message a couple people on here to get it straightened but on the flip side it seems to be shooting great, regardless how much jb weld I had to use lol

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Haha thanks man! Always appreciate input whether I hit people up on their offers or not. I dont mean to offend anyone if I don't hit them up, I'm a guy who likes to experiment and fail and learn the hard way sometimes haha

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LIL! No.. not at all man. It wasn’t you at all. My response was actually meant “tongue in cheek”. A page & a half of all these guesses.. “I think it’s this”… “It looks like that!”. Meanwhile the very simple remedy I mentioned as the first response, because I was pretty well certain it would work, ended up doing exactly that. Sometimes it’s the simple things.

Also, I’m never offended if I’m not taken up on an offer bud. Not at all. I enjoy doing things for members…makes a worthless, half cripple bum like me not give up & die I think.. LOL! But I get it entirely man. Sometimes a person just wants to accomplish a project in its entirety, on their own. I’ve taken that same route myself many times over. Trial by fire, as it were.