Grendel or Creedmore

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10-12-2014, 07:51 PM
romad97

Grendel or Creedmore

I am putting already wrapping my mind around my next possible rifle. I have a 223AI that is about 90% done. I ordered two stocks from Kevin at Stockade, becouse there is such a long waiting list on them and I am thinking that I want to build a 6.5 of some sort. What are your thoughts on the differences between these two cartridges? Mainly looking for a lightweight rifle in a short action caliber that will do a lot of paper punching but can still reach out and knock a deer or antelope dead at 600 yards.
10-12-2014, 08:03 PM
josh_m

Subscribed, I've got two ars in Grendel and have thought about building a Grendel savage too.
10-12-2014, 08:56 PM
stomp442

I've seen the grendel take a white tail at 500 and it worked like a champ but I think I would prefer the creed for double duty. It packs quite a bit more punch and can handle 140gr bullets
10-14-2014, 11:13 AM
darkker

Run the energy numbers for your "600 yard" question.
The Creed is a beautiful standard short-action cartridge. The Grendel is designed specifically around the short AR-15 action length.
So.... What do you want? If you want to take advantage of the full short action length of a rifle, thus a bit more speed with light bullets, and significantly more with the heavies; take the Creed.

With the 120 class bullets, there really isn't much difference if you are popping targets @ 500.
10-14-2014, 11:23 AM
Luke45

Same question comes up with 308 vs 300 blackout in a bolt gun.

What the 300 blk and the grendel can do is fit in an AR 15, and they work great at that. Based purely on preformance, in a SA bolt gun a 308 win or 6.5 Creedmore can do everything that the smaller cartridges can do, but better. the only downside to going larger is recoil. Or if you just like the smaller cartridges

What im trying to say is that in a bolt gun, there is nothing that the Grendel can do that the creedmoore cant. And lots that the grendel CANT that the creedmore can.
10-14-2014, 04:04 PM
homefrontsniper

A lot of paper punching . the Grendel/ Help 10.000 + I think?
10-14-2014, 04:06 PM
homefrontsniper

Creedmoor 2000 / 3000 smoked. But i love the Creed.
10-14-2014, 06:03 PM
Luke45

Homefront Please elaborate?
10-14-2014, 07:09 PM
thermaler

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkker

Run the energy numbers for your "600 yard" question.
The Creed is a beautiful standard short-action cartridge. The Grendel is designed specifically around the short AR-15 action length.
So.... What do you want? If you want to take advantage of the full short action length of a rifle, thus a bit more speed with light bullets, and significantly more with the heavies; take the Creed.

With the 120 class bullets, there really isn't much difference if you are popping targets @ 500.

Very sound reasoning + 1
10-14-2014, 08:15 PM
BarrelBurner

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Originally Posted by Luke45

Homefront Please elaborate?

I am pretty sure he is talking barrel life comparatively.

i have both and they are very different creatures, but I'm with Therm and Darkker the Creedmoor is the better choice if your going to hunt with it.
10-15-2014, 12:29 PM
Luke45

Or just a 260 rem
10-15-2014, 01:19 PM
homefrontsniper

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luke45

Homefront Please elaborate?

Creedmoor barrel will be shot out in 2000/3000 rounds.
Grendel 8000 to 10.000 rounds i think????
10-15-2014, 01:22 PM
homefrontsniper

He said do a lot of paper punching
10-15-2014, 04:25 PM
Luke45

Quote:

Originally Posted by homefrontsniper

He said do a lot of paper punching

Ohh ok i was confused!

or just get a 260 or creedmore and load it down to grendel velocities

Staring load of a 260 or a creedmore is very close to a max load of grendel
10-15-2014, 08:52 PM
homefrontsniper

Just get the Grendel & some AA2520 31+/-gr 123 scenar going 2650 fps all done.
that what i did in my les baer
10-15-2014, 09:15 PM
thermaler

Quote:

Originally Posted by homefrontsniper

Just get the Grendel & some AA2520 31+/-gr 123 scenar going 2650 fps all done.
that what i did in my les baer

I built a 264 lbc AR--uncanny accurate but I find the sharp shoulder to neck angle a bit tricky on bolts and feed ramps depending on the bullet. The grendel was designed around the 123 gr bullet--but the jury is pretty much in that the 95 to 110 gr pills are the hot tickets if you want to reach out and drop something.
10-16-2014, 12:16 AM
Luke45

Quote:

Originally Posted by homefrontsniper

Just get the Grendel & some AA2520 31+/-gr 123 scenar going 2650 fps all done.
that what i did in my les baer

Thats probably the best combo in an AR, but with a bolt gun why limit yourself to that?
10-16-2014, 04:42 AM
Berger.Fan222

The 6.5 shines brightest with 139-142 grain bullets.
10-16-2014, 10:26 PM
ralphob

I have a 264 lbc ar 15 and have built 2 264 lbc(a 6.5 grendel variant) bolt guns on savage actions. I don't have a creedmoor to compare to. I can tell you that the 264 lbc's are extremely accurate with little recoil. I would say just a tad more recoil than a 223. It terms of knock down power, we have taken pigs up to 200 lbs and out to 300 yards and they just drop and my buddy took a 180lb whitetail, that ran 20 yards before piling up. For hunting we use the Barnes TTSX 100 grn or the Hornady SST, 123 grn. There is tons of info on the 6.5 Grendel Forum to take a look at.
10-16-2014, 11:26 PM
D.ID

You can always load down, You can't ever load up.
AR calibers are best left in AR platforms, there will always be a better performer in the more forgiving bolt actions.
10-17-2014, 01:57 AM
Luke45

Quote:

Originally Posted by D.ID

You can always load down, You can't ever load up.
AR calibers are best left in AR platforms, there will always be a better performer in the more forgiving bolt actions.

^this
10-17-2014, 08:38 AM
josh_m

Ok so the creedmore is better because of the ability to use heavy pills. But would y'all own a creed if you already had a lbc gas gun or two.
What I'm getting at is: do you think it's worth the trouble and expense of reloading another cartridge if you were already loading Grendel/lbc?
Or would the KISS(keep it simple stupid) acronym apply here?
10-17-2014, 02:58 PM
Luke45

Your loads and brass are going to be different for a semi vs bolt. Different overal lengths, bolt shells will probly be neck sized, differnt bullets ect may as well be different cartridges
10-19-2014, 10:28 AM
65impala

I actually prefer to load a different cartridge. It makes it easy to avoid putting the wrong load in the wrong gun! Then again, I currently load for 28 different cartridges so one more wouldn't make much difference.
10-19-2014, 12:07 PM
Berger.Fan222

The ability to shoot 140's is huge when the wind blows. The advantage is worth any inconveniences.
10-19-2014, 01:45 PM
thermaler

Quote:

Originally Posted by ralphob

I have a 264 lbc ar 15 and have built 2 264 lbc(a 6.5 grendel variant) bolt guns on savage actions. I don't have a creedmoor to compare to. I can tell you that the 264 lbc's are extremely accurate with little recoil. I would say just a tad more recoil than a 223. It terms of knock down power, we have taken pigs up to 200 lbs and out to 300 yards and they just drop and my buddy took a 180lb whitetail, that ran 20 yards before piling up. For hunting we use the Barnes TTSX 100 grn or the Hornady SST, 123 grn. There is tons of info on the 6.5 Grendel Forum to take a look at.

Those 95 to 120 t/tsx's are really stellar in the 6.5/264 AR 15 platform.