What is a "called flyer?" I have heard this term used, but it makes no sense to me.
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What is a "called flyer?" I have heard this term used, but it makes no sense to me.
when shooting paper target (bench/prone for control and stability)and working on your groupings (pattern size) "usually" for 5 shots..you ocassionally get a round that hits way off the grouping...
Those are called flyers.
I believe you me.......I Hate them SOB,s...........
Thank you for the explanation, but it is not what I am asking about. I know what a flyer is, but you see many targets on the internet, and people talking about post, and they mark out one shot, and call it a "Called Flyer." I want to know what exactly qualifies a flyer as a "Called Flyer."
You are a very experienced shooter. I get this feeling that you know exactly how the term is being used but you would like an oportunity to call BS. So if I was going to interpret the meaning I would say that someone pulled a shot and new it and realize it is not the load, not the rifle, but the person responsible for the shot being so far off. So there is your window of oportunity.
To me a called flyer is a round that YOU know will be a flyer and you call it so
Whenever I pull a shot & I know it's going to screw up a perfectly good group, I don't call it a flyer of even a "called flyer".
I usually spout off a flurry of curse words.
I even try to make up some new ones.
"A miss that you can 'call' or plot in a shot book"Quote:
Originally Posted by Balljoint
To me, that is what the "called flyer" is. I have qualified Expert for 6 times in a row in the Marine Corps and they teach you to call your shots whatever position you are shooting from. Alot of the time I will know EXACTLY what shos hit out of the black because I can feel or see myself flich or pull the shot. This happens most of the time at the 200 yard line in the standing position...try pulling the trigger at the right time and hitting a 12 inch black circle all five times!
Anyway, occasionally you will do everything right and the ROUND will miss the mark, which is a "flyer", other times you as the shooter will pull the trigger on a heartbeat or flinch and pull or push the shot and you will be able to know exactly what you did to throw the round off it's mark, that would be your "called flyer"
Just to help you understand, when on the rifle range during slowfire, we shoot the target, then the target is pulled down at the pits to be marked where the shot hit, while this is being done, we mark where we think our shots hit in a book on a "call" chart that has that particular target on it. When the target is ran back up, with the shot marker in place, we then mark where it actually hit on the plot chart. When the call is off, and the shot is off in the same place, that would be a "called flyer"...http://i1151.photobucket.com/albums/...ataBook015.jpg
"I pulled that one, high and right"(or wherever). To me, that's a called flyer.
Basically the last thing you saw before the bang.
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Anyway, occasionally you will do everything right and the ROUND will miss the mark, which is a "flyer", other times you as the shooter will pull the trigger on a heartbeat or flinch and pull or push the shot and you will be able to know exactly what you did to throw the round off it's mark, that would be your "called flyer"
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That is my understanding of it as well. Although, when posting groups on the internet the flyers should be counted in the group size...LOL
I have always called the flyer the anomaly round. You know even when you have sent all five down range text book correct and there is still that one off in la la land that to me is a flyer. Those ones where you flinch, sneeze, wiggle, fart, blink those are just that string of colorful and creative words that little kids can hear through hearing protection and completely proficient at repeating.
A "called flyer" is a term that only gun writers use.;)
Called flyer= 1. An excuse to make oneself feel better about said oneself after they have failed to complete all tasks in a repetitive manner while shooting. 2. A position assigned within a cheeraleading or acrobatic performance. The position usually being the smallest person who is routinely thrown in the air. 3. Slang for pilot.
isnt that what I just explained?...............hmmmmmmQuote:
Originally Posted by missed
oh well
Yeah, real shooters refer to "called fliers" by several other names/phrases - none of which can be repeated here as they would violate the rule regarding obscene/vulgar language. LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by sharpshooter
Tapatalk.....didn't see your post, hey were on the same page on it!Quote:
Originally Posted by eddiesindian
A called flier is slang for bad shot,, a flier is when everything felt good and the call is right in there, and when you look and see that the shot was substantially out of the group, you call it a flier. Fliers are not a good thing and I try to stay away from them.
Hope I'm not repeating anything LOL.
Ok here is my problem with the hole "called flyer" thing. Regardless what you call it, it has to be measured into the group size.
Now the whole group is messed up. What if your not competing but testing a load or a rifles accuracy and you knew your error goofed the group up?
Then admit that the shot was screwed up, shoot the remainder of the target with the amount of shots you planed on shooting, and measure the entire group, then try to do better on the next target. If you feel the need to display this target, then admit that you screwed up the group, and put it at it full measurement. If your really concerned that your first shot could be off, then why not shoot it on another target, like a sighter target. If your always giving your self an excuse or an out, you will never improve. It is only when you except your failures, and attempt to learn from them that you will ever improve.Quote:
Originally Posted by stangfish
i think its very hard for some of us to admit we screwed up. which is why its a good thing there are rules at santioned matches.Quote:
Originally Posted by 82boy
male ego no doubt plays a roll in those things. my question to 82 boy would be, (would you consider not taking sighter shots
before shooting at a for record target?) even if you had shot a few hours earlier?
Well actually I shoot very few sighter shots. My normal is I clean the gun between rounds, and I shoot 2 shots to foul the bore, and put a little heat in the barrel, then I go to the record target and shoot my record shots. I can say there has been a couple of times I preloaded for a club match, and did not have enough shots for sighters, and just shot record shots, and I did well. The way I clean the rifle disturbs it very little, and I could got to the record target and not shoot sighters, and put together a good group. When I practice I don't shoot any sighters. Even if there was a time of a couple of hours between strings (Highly unlikely) I would not be afraid to not shoot sighters. If the first shot is off, then I will just chase it.Quote:
Originally Posted by yobuck
Just a thought, the term "Called flyer" is an oxymoron, meaning it contradicts itself. If something is "Called" it is predetermined or predicted, for example when you shoot pool or billiards (I am no expert on this.) it is customary that when you shoot the 8 ball, you "Call" or predict where that shot is going. It is also customary to "Call" or predict what will happen when you shoot a "Combo." Another example was when you was a kid preforming stunts, you "Called" out what you was doing or what was going to happen. Now the term "Flyer" as I know it is a shot that unexpectedly goes wild, in an unpredictable way. Now with that said how do you predict something that is unpredictable? I would find the term more acceptable if is was a "Culled Flyer" with Culled meaning it was removed.
Using the "Called Flyer" approach is basically giving your self a mulligan, and all you are doing is cheating your self. If you ever played golf, you will know of a guy that calls a lot of mulligans, and what happens is it detracts from the game. Eventually you will not want to play with this type of person.
Besides that sometimes there is stuff that happen in shooting that is unpredictable, this is why it is always good to shoot with someone else, to see if there are experiencing the same things that you are. (On top of the added safety benefit.) Flyers are not always bad things, as described in Tony Boyer's book, the force them selves to shoot flyers by playing a game called "Hit It." Tony describes the game as being played by two or more shooters, and the object is to chase the other shooters shot, in an attempt to shoot small groups. They will start out with one shooter shooting the first shot, then the next shooter will try to put there shot on top of the other shooters shot, and it will go back and forth or down the line until five shots are shot. Tony said at first they shot big groups but after doing this for sometime they was able to shoot shots in the .2's and .1 with several shooters.
I will end with this a Flyer is an opportunity to make your self a better shooter. What you do with it, is up to you.
A shooter is only good as his worst shot.
Well the term flyer is not unique to shooting, and it is widely referred to as an outlier in statistics. The point is it falls outside the normal distribution of the other data points, with the key feature being there is a lot of information and learning associated with that point (shot) that enables one to learn what is causing the problem (or depending on what you are doing, the outlier may be closer to the desirable result and is a good thing). Clearly if I am developing a load and 9 out of 10 shots behave well, and I have a gas attack and know I pulled the bad shot, then I will ignore that shot when characterizing the load; however, I did learn not to put too much Texas Pete on my eggs at breakfast as it can lead to bad shots! So if/when to declare a flyer depends on how the information is to be used to make decisions now, and how to apply it to various future situations.
Simple, but very well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by sharpshooter
were you ever a politition? if not you may well have missed your calling lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by CharlieNC
I deplore politicians but I can hold my own in most debates (with a touch of BS as necessary). My career did involve a lot of "ciffering" so I do know my way with numbers!
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A "called flyer" is when you tell your shooting partner to make sure he watches the next bull prairie dog that you're getting ready to smack with your 30/378 Weatherby at 50 yards.
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This is my vote for best response.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammer
Where have you been?
Good to see you back.
When I make a bad shot I usually just say "I pulled that one" or something to that effect. After I am through cursing. I guess a "called flyer"s just a way to try and make it sound better.
I agree somewhat with 82boy, you gotta admit you flubbed it and try to do better next time. However as another poster stated, if you are testing ammo you only count the shots you feel were right and disregard the ones you know you screwed up. The hard part is being honest enough with yourself to admit it was you and not the ammo.
It's kind of like a "mulligan" in golf. It happens when you shoot alone or with a few friends. They don't exist in pro golf or pro shooting.