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Just kicking this around, I have a 110SA in 6.5CM, if you were to pick another cartridge over this what would you chose any why? Lets keep in mind that reloading components are getting stupid! like powder! I just want to hear what you guy's think?:cool:
What does long range mean to you? Competition or just plinking?
Keep in mind the CM is a pretty decent round to start with. Anything else is usually for something specific.
I picked a 6BR for 600 and 1000yd informal shooting.
I want to be able to shoot out 1k and a bit further if needed, this will also be a SHTF caliber, so I think that a barrel burner is not on the list! I've thought about a 7mm08, I have a 308win already, but just want your thoughts!
Any of those three you have will do what you ask just fine. Anything else is either doing 1000yds in a cartridge like 6BR to save powder, I’d go with something more powerful for easier extended ranges.
https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting-...22in/p/1653420
Since you specified Savage I would do this. I have the bolt head already to convert a Savage to this caliber and already have a rifle that is intended for this. The Arc is slowly proving itself in both Semiauto and bolt guns and Factory ammo is also showing promise as well. No it is not a BR or Dasher but it is not far behind either.
I would stick with the 6.5 Creedmoor and work on my skills as a trigger monkey. Whatta Hobby!
I'd consider the .308 minimal for beyond 1000yd (I do like mine). I am not sure the 7-08 would be that much better. I got the 6BR because of recoil. Didn't care for the kick from the heavier .308 bullets, but, I don't care about terminal ballistics either.
What about a .30-06. Gives that bit extra for heavier bullets with better BC but not as 'harsh' as the .300WM.
But, I'd probably lead toward something like the .284 (again, less recoil and better BC). If you want sniper type terminal performance then you'd want heavier bullets and higher speeds at range. The .284 is kinda middle ground between the 7-08 and 7RM. And then there is the 6.5-284.
As someone kindly reminded me, a barrel is a disposable item. If serious about it, buy two or three so you have back ups. :) Even a .308 gets worn out.
There are only a few cartridges that are 1000 yard rifles and shtf weapons.
243
6br will definitely shoot small groups at 1000 yards with 30 gr of Varget and a 103 -105 gr bthp, Creedmoor is good just not as good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark611
sorry if that ruffles feathers but it’s a fact.
I figured a 6mm 6.5mm would be in the running for what I'm thinking, I have a few ARs chambered in 6.5 Grendel that shoot very well,
Single feed or magazine ?? I shoot the 284 Winchester and it's variants (my wild cats). It's hard to
beat in the long game. If interested in a 6mm, just neck that Creedboring down to 6mm and wake it
up.....As for component costs ?? You could split the middle and look at a 6GT.
The 'kicker' in this is the SHTF comment for long range. That implies terminal ballistics a bit higher than needed for paper punching. Which is why I'd consider 7mm a minimum. Heck, the military went to the .338LM for a reason, long range terminal ballistics.
If it is just informal long range stuff then any of the above will work fine.
Again, I think you already have a cartridge up to the task. 1000yds is nothing for a 6.5 Creedmoor. Go look at videos of guys pushing the Creedmoor to a Mile and beyond.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark611
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Hoback
Do you just want a new gun?????? How about a 6X47L, 6.5x47L or really go to the wild side with a 7x47L or 22X47L Then there is the 6BR family.... some of them I've never heard of. Better yet, set your 243 back and name it after yourself! My fertile mind is really working today. St. Sandra says I am just full of s@!t.
No feathers ruffled.... shoot both. Curious what you are basing this on to state it's a "fact"? Because facts are provable/repeatable.... not well this guy shot a better group with this cartridge than other guys with this one so its better.... That's called an internet fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by South Prairie jim
.284 win would be my choice for the job you laid out. Not that fodder is as common as some others to find.
SHTF
.308 or .30-06 may be the easiest to find.
I saw SHTF but what are you going to do with it otherwise?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark611
Hunt, target?
Is 1000 yards just plinking or serious?
Well, anyone can look at the equipment list for most IBS sanctioned events where 6mm are dominate. I shoot long range Benchrest, I started with a 6 br and now shoot the 6BRA, once in a while someone will shoot a 6.5 Lapua and of course the heavy guns are mainly 300 mag of some variant but oddly we don’t see a Creedmoor on our line. We all share pit duty therefore we all get to see the targets being shot. I did have a buddy that shot a CM at 600, it shot very well just not as well as the 6 mm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whynot
That may very well be the case.... but a popularity contest does not equal it being a fact. Change the rules of the game and you would probably be looking at a completely different outcome. Take away sighters/ change the time format/ shoot in poor conditions and it would probably change who the new hot girl is. But when you play a specific game you are going to adapt to what works best for those rules. I look at it kind of like dirtbikes..... everyone makes a 250cc and a 450cc-- even though there's nothing magical about those sizes-- but people decided the classes and that determined the outcome. I shoot 6br to 1000- as well as 6.5 cm (not a creedmoor fan boy- actually was in the 260 rem camp- until I found an amazing deal on a 6.5) but for 1000 yard shooting I wouldn't say either is proven better.Quote:
Originally Posted by South Prairie jim
my 2cts... groups don't matter for S.H.F. terminal velocity winsQuote:
Originally Posted by Whynot
staying with the context of the thread, long range target shooting the 6 mm dominates , If you shoot LRBR then you already know this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whynot
Here the equipment list from the 2022 600 nationals. The 1000 yard is available as well , for anyone interested.
https://internationalbenchrest.com/a...0Nationals.pdf
https://internationalbenchrest.com/a...0Nationals.pdf
For just optimal paper punching a long way off (1,000 yards +/-) I would likely go with the 6mm Dasher. But I'm not a target shooter and defer to those wiser . . . vegitarians. ;-)
Thanks for the replies, guys, I do not hunt much anymore, just punch paper. I have a 6.5 Creedmoor build in the works, on a M12 action, I just thought before I put it all together that I would ask this question, but has been mentioned availability of factory ammo or ammo that might be easier to come across in a pinch is something to also keep in mind, 6.5 Creedmoor has gotten just as popular or available as 308win or 3006, the 308win is about the heaviest recoiling cartridge I care to shoot anymore, so with that said, Dave I think your right:cool:
Having a number of 7mm-08 and 6.5 creedmoor, i don't think there is enough difference to warrant a change from what you already ordered. The creedmoor may not be excellent at doing any one thing, but it does pretty well at a lot of things. Due to it's popularity it would be a lot better SHF round than a 7mm-08, 6 BR, or some of the more obscure rounds just because the popularity makes brass easier to find. Granted if you had the need, you can always make your own brass from other cartridges, but who would do that in a time of scarce resources? If it was me and i already had a 308, and had to pick something other than a 6.5 Creedmoor i would probably go with a .243 or 6mm Creedmoor.
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Originally Posted by Mark611
For enthusiasts who simply shoot for the joy of it, I just think mid range cartridges like the 6.5 are ideal. Buy l’ll tell you this: 7 years ago I built my model 10 and went with 260 Remington. At that time, 6.5cm was still gaining its popularity. I went with 260 for several reasons, including brass availability then. Fast forward to this past year I just replaced the barrel. Instead of switching to 6.5cm, I stayed with 260 however, I went Ackley Improved. I can still shoot standard 260 Rem, and I actually prefer that as method of forming brass. As opposed to fire forming cases via Pistol Powder/cream of wheat, or other method lacking a bullet.
This setup will get me out to a mile, and I’ll never go past that, nor have any desire.
How well did it shoot at a mile?
I haven’t been anywhere near a mile since I left Arizona. That was 2008. I’m basing this from past shooting. My last Savage was a 116 Weather Warrior in
30-06. That was my hunting rifle in Arizona. I certainly would shoot it at those distances. And also based on what others are doing.
I hope to get to 1000 and beyond-beyond again.
You would hunt with a .30-06 at 1 mile?
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Originally Posted by charlie b
NO., no… of course not.:disturbed: If you look at my past posting you’ll find I couldn’t be more against that notion!
I was was referring to simply target shooting we would do. My hunting rifle at the time(Savage 111..Always been a Savage!), was my most accurate. I wasn’t so big in Benchrest target, ir long range shooting back then. My good friend & I on times we’d be out camping in the desert and there wasn’t much for Varmint hunting going on, we’d pick a target car off across this r that canyon. A Rock, or a Cactus… whatever.
One other thing, as I’ve said on many a time: shooting out to a Mile is no joke! Even for experienced shooters. I know there are those talking about how easy it is, but anyone can easily go look at video after video of very competent marksmen shooting at a true 1-mile or further. There shots are all over the place! Hit, Miss, Miss, Miss, Miss, Hit, Hit, Miss, Miss, Miss, Hit, Miss… etc! Very rarely will you see someone be able to do three consecutive hits on 36” Target… which is 2MOA, let alone close to 1MOA (just over 18”). It is seriously difficult! When I’m speaking of a cartridge effectively being able to engage a target at 1-Mile, I’m simply referring to the ballistics. Certainly not my ability.
I understand, which is why I made the comment. Numbers are fine and dandy, but, actual field shooting is anything but. And SHTF type stuff should only be considered at reasonable ranges for a cartridge. Terminal ballistics need to be above a certain level (and we can debate that as I am a fan of momentum measurements, not energy).
I've only shot beyond a mile a long time ago (2000yd), and I was cheating. .50 cal mounted on a tank with sights. Even with that I could only manage to get the shots on the cab area of a 2 1/2T truck (4ft dia target).
So...considering a rifle and cartridge for beyond 1000yd is mainly an exercise in target shooting.
BUT....there are a certain (very) few individuals who could consider such long range shots. Most of them these days are using .338Lapua or .50BMG cartridges in some 'hefty' rifles.
Good on you. I came into the .260 Rem by accident. Our region opened up for rifles as implements for large game (whitetail deer/bear) for the first time in living memory and I, like thousands of other hunters, went rifle shopping. I guess I was late. My favorite shop had limited availability. I wanted a 7mm-08. Nope, none. .308 Win? Nope. .280 Rem? Nope. Ummmm . .. .270 Win? Nope. Then the counter jockey said he wanted to check on something. He brought out a dusty old Savage M11 box chambered in .260 Rem and said he could give me a great deal on it. I had to go over to the reloading area and check a few manuals. Yeah. This will do. But they had NO loaded ammunition. So I used that to get tossed in 100 cases and the reloading manual (I had nothing that recent to show the .260). I have come to love it. Totally fine for whitetail, a pleasure to shoot, accurate and something different (I reload and like the .308 based case). Swift 130 gr Scirocco II is a perfect match for my needs. But, if I didn't reload I would be in a bad position. Good news is that all the recent 6.5mm intrest has produced Winchester StaBall6.5 powder . . . which my .260 Rem loves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Hoback
6.5/.284. They win a lot of 1000 yard matches. Another is a .300 WSM. Same reason.
Me too.Quote:
For just optimal paper punching a long way off (1,000 yards +/-) I would likely go with the 6mm Dasher. But I'm not a target shooter and defer to those wiser . . . vegitarians. ;-)