Is there a list of who is doing this? I'm trying to fix the cratering I am getting with my rifle.
Thanks!
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Is there a list of who is doing this? I'm trying to fix the cratering I am getting with my rifle.
Thanks!
You want to contact Desh. He’ll sort you out. Here his site. https://deshind.com/2017/09/04/savage-bolt-bushing/
Cratering is nothing more than a visual annoyance, but before you bush the pin, try re-contouring the pin tip to a larger radius.
Thanks, I reached out to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Hoback
Thanks, I didn't realize it was purely visual. I wouldn't know how to cleanly modify my firing pin.Quote:
Originally Posted by sharpshooter
It’s only a problem if the striker pin is too pointy allowing the radius to sit below the surface of the pin hole. This allows the pin to move laterally causing primer cratering/smearing. If your primer strikes look ok, it’s fine.
This is a perfect striker pin shape & protrusion. If yours looks even similar to this, it’s in fine shape. If you are able to post a picture we can tell you how it looks.
https://i.ibb.co/bHvT1sd/F3739723-E5...F28-F12299.png
Ever consider it "could be" a brass problem and NOT a firing pin issue? Brass too short for the chamber, when fired, primer tries to back out of the pocket, gets "cratered" and pushed back into the pocket? Just thinking out loud.;)
I verified headspace with clymer gauges. Brass is measured and bumped back .002".Quote:
Originally Posted by Nor Cal Mikie
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If you do a quick search you soon find this is a common problem with Savage rifles. My Model 11 exhibits the same symptom. Use CCI 400 primers and I get cratering and pierced. Use CCI 450 and I get light strikes and FTF.Quote:
Originally Posted by czgunner
until it blanks the primer then it is a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by sharpshooter
There is that. Yeah, I’d take care of it. I did by way of a a PTG bolt head & still happy I did. Bushing works well, it makes the Striker more efficient & Desh does an amazing job. You won’t be disappointed.
Dave, are you saying that PTG bolt heads are made to specs that don't require bushing using Savage OEM firing pins? I thought I read something somewhere about PTG bolt heads in regards to this issue, but I can't find it.
The PTG bolt heads are machined to tighter specs. They have fixed cratering conditions for some. But so does bolt bushing. And at much less expense. Also, the PTG bolts heads typically need to be fit. And then headspaced. I didn’t by a rifle & start changing things out. I built my Savage from the start because, well, that’s what I do. I also machined a firing pin striker to fit perfectly. Everything about firearms is hobby to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by MS50
I’m not trying to discourage or encourage. If trying to fix a potential problem, there are more straightforward ways. And if it’s hobby, I don’t have to recommend either way.
I understand what you're saying. I use PTG bolt heads on a 6br and 223 that were installed prior to headspacing aftermarket barrels. Neither rifle craters primers. I wouldn't replace bolt heads to solve a cratering problem. I'd get the bolt head bushed as a first measure.
Thanks everybody. I sent my bolt off just now.
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czgunner, did you send your bolt to Desh? My understanding is that they were currently not taking any new work due to illness.Quote:
Originally Posted by czgunner
Yes, I sent it to him. He advised me that it will take several weeks due to his health.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turkeytider
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Right. He told me to get in touch with him in November if I had anything I wanted done.Quote:
Originally Posted by czgunner
Didn’t know he was having problems. Anyway, for those wondering, here is Desh so he’s not just a name to deal with, LOL!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sGM-5cDJiY
Fantastic! Thanks for sharing that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Hoback
You will find an improper spring will do this. Even to light of spring. I had alot of crap wrong with my gun to sort out. Still not done. But closer. OI bought parts from gun shack to start the repairs per Dave. CZ where are you at in WY.
Up in Sheridan.Quote:
Originally Posted by wywindsor
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Grimstod is another if you're so inclined to have one bushed. Can find him on Accurate Shooter site.
Grimstod & Desh are actually the same person. Grimstod is Desh’s forum handle. He was here in like 2018 & only posted a few times as that name. Desh Industries is his website. He started after getting his Savage Axis & loving it. Phil, the video I linked in post #19. That is Grimstod/Desh. His name is Ben.Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilC
FWIW, I've had several guns that cratered primers, pistols and rifles. Unless I went over max loads they never pierced the primers. No, never had them bushed either.
"FWIW, I've had several guns that cratered primers, pistols and rifles. Unless I went over MAX LOADS they never pierced the primers.
No, never had them bushed either."
BINGO!!;) Mid range loads will ALWAYS get the job done.
No, not going to pierce primers. But it’s unsightly. People don’t like it. And it doesn’t speak to the aspect of Precision. Especially when it’s easily remedied. I find it interesting that people call other Actions, that don’t exhibit this quirks to be better. But when it’s recommended to remedythese small things, some people will call it a waste of time, or it doesn’t matter.
In other words it’s like saying: “Savages are Cheap because they do such & such.” But then also say, “Don’t waste your time fixing such & such on Savages because they are Cheap!”
I've had the problem on expensive guns so being 'cheap' is not a factor.
The other guy on AccurateShooter is Carlsbad and his reviews are top tier. That's what I get going from memory after a week at the lake. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Hoback
Ahh; week at the lake is worth in in my book! I wouldn’t care what I forgot for sake of a good trip!Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilC
My axis was blanking primers. Sent it back to savage and they replaced the bolt head and firing pin. When it didn't blank the primer it left a cratered primer. Then it started the lite primer strikes after getting it back. Before I sent it in I had to switch to mag cci sr primers so they would not pop. The new bolt head craters a little but have not had one pop yet.
I have had Gretan do several bolts.
Personally, I would never send a rifle back to Savage for something like that. (But then I would never send my rifles, or pistols for that matter, back for anything.) These problems which aren’t really problem according to Savage.
All I know is having the bolt head bushed or using a PTG bolt head, and setting the firing pin striker for maximum pin fall, while having the minimum pin protrusion (.035”), will cure cratering & light primer strikes.
Looks like USPS delivered my bolt to Desh. Now the waiting begins.
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My grandson wanted 223 to play with so I bought a Ruger American. The problem? I was unable to chamber my Go gauge or a new stick of brass. As it turned out it's extractor was too long to jump the rim of a case but after "modifying" it a bit .....Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Hoback
Why didn't I send back to Ruger? I figured if Ruger didn't build it right the first time why would I expect them to fix it right a second time.
Mr Bill ! Always good to here from You !:cool:
You will be very happy with his work. Get well soon Desh.Quote:
Originally Posted by czgunner
I sent a couple of bolts to Desh in January. How long did it take to get yours finished and returned? We had good communication in the beginning, but nothing in the past couple of weeks. I see someone in this thread mentioned he might have some health issues and wish him well. I am concerned when communication abruptly halts. Thanks for your input.Quote:
Originally Posted by czgunner
He has in the past. Might be something else. But I wouldn’t worry. A bit of wait without communication likely means he is quite busy & working hard to get everything done. However, Ben (Grimstod) is very reliable. He’s been doing this a long time. And while there have been some times of communication problems, he always comes through. Remember, he’s a one-man operation. I get it. It can be nerve racking when you put money out and don’t have communication, but rest assured. You’re in good hands. Ben is an honest person with a very good reputation.
I think it was less than a week. He is doing some medical stuff, so he had a specific time for me to send my bolt in.Quote:
Originally Posted by juanfabuloso
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Thanks Dave.
:thumb:Quote:
Originally Posted by czgunner
I emailed him 2 weeks ago and still haven’t heard back yet. (Desh)