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has anyone had a Bartlien prefit barrel done up by Bugholes, trying to decide to add this barrel to my model 10T, cost is $500 for the barrel and chambering, or my other option is purchase a new model 12 LRP in 6.5CM. i would think the Bartlien option would be a more accurate set up. any comments
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I bought barrels from them b4 - gtg. 500$ ain't bad considering the wait time isn't bad. If you could wait get it from another source 3-6months.
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I have one in 6 creedmoor it is a one hole shooter
I must be missing something. I went to their website and am looking for the same thing and see a couple savage profits for $340. I am assuming these are in stock and ready to mate with an action. I am considering one for a 10FCP-SR I have showing up in a couple days. This will be my first Savage so I am a bit unfamiliar with them.
http://bugholes.com/index.php?route=checkout/cart
These barrels are not chambered yet. You get to.pick what cartridge you want it chambered in. After chambering you will have in excess of.$500 in the barrel. Money well spent in my opinionQuote:
Originally Posted by Rs130754
Criterion or xcal barrels chambered by Apache gun works is good if not "gooder " folk. BugHoles is the most expensive (I can say that bc I own two of his barrels). I wouldn't do it again unless barrels were in short order. I can get a barrel chambered in less than 3weeks to a month. Make no mistake , bugholes is a good guy and sells good chit! Just look around. Cheers
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I did not realize that about the BugHoles barrels. I wonder if the barrels I looked at on Northland Shooter Supply need to be chambered too. This has definitely been a learning process for me.
I tell you, a CBI prefit barrel from Northland SS is going to be hard to beat for the money... Those barrels shoot good too...
However, I own both a CBI and a Bartlein and the Bartlein probably shoots about 1/4 minute better and cleans up quite a bit faster...
Blackhole weaponry has pre-fit and chambered barrels, current wait time to build something is 3-6 weeks.
Bartlien barrels are high end cut rifle barrels. I've not heard of a bad experience with one. That being said I've been competing with XCaliber barrels for the last 2 years and have been through 4 6mm's, 3 in 243Win and 1 in 6 Creed. Still have the 6 Creed and it still Hammers, but I'm going to run 6.5x47 for a change. I have not yet shot the 6.5x47, but I am sure just like all the rest it will be a hammer as well. Highly recommend giving XCaliber a try!
I have had and I have Bartlein, Shilen, Mcgowen, PacNor, BHW and CBI barrels in all manner of calibers. I have had the most accurate results with Bartlein, Shilen, McGowen and PacNor.
I was rather surprised with the below 0.200" inch capabilities of a 6.5 X47 McGowen chambered by The Barrel Outlet.
I cant say enough about Apache's work.
Bug Holes has a reputation far and wide.(good thing)
Bartlien barrels are the thing.
Apache will do a Bartlien also.
How accurate do you need to be?
6.5 x 47 can cure all ailments.
standard Savage Model 10 small shank action
Bartlein, Southern Precision Rifles (Bugholes.com) sourced/chambered .223, 28", 1 in 7.7 twist pre-fit barrel (target contour)
Choate Tactical stock
Rifle Basix SAV-2 Trigger
Sightron 10-50x60 glass
pic is with a previously mounted Nikon scope and the original Accutrigger
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seven 5 shot groups at 100 yds. Berger 73 gr and 80.5 gr bullets. IMR 8208 XBR. the aggregate average of all seven groups is .304". shot as pictured prone.
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I will be ordering another one of these barrels from Southern Precision very soon. as much as I love Criterion barrels, my previous .223 Criterion couldn't touch this one. it was mounted in the same set up.
I like Bartlien, I had Apache order an chamber one for me in 6br and it is a super shooter. I put it on a model 10 action and it will out shoot target actions, it all depends who loads the best ammo and breaks the trigger right as well as pays attention to the wind. I shot 31X's yesterday out of 40 shots yesterday at a 300 yard match. Even had a rare ten shot group in the x ring called a ten x lol.
Group's under an inch at 300 with Varget and 107SMK's
Bartlien barrels are the best you can buy. They flat out shoot [emoji218] holes lol.
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Subjective..... Many barrels out there shoot just as well as the other. It's more so about the chamber work than the barrel manufacturer due to all of them using the same materials to build their barrels. Higher end hand lapped barrels are all very close in performance, but all have just as much opportunity to get a "tac driver" or dud and I have seen just about all of them have a dud at one point or another. Sometimes they just get a bad lot of steel, more often its the nut running the lathe.Quote:
Originally Posted by MRCHIRO
Sure. Isn’t everything subjective and biased on opinion. Apache Jim can turn a green mountain turd into the 1760yd rifle Everyman wants. Bartlien can do that too. Only difference is Apaches barrel is turned to 1” muzzle while bartliens muzzle can be 0.65”.Quote:
Originally Posted by LoneWolf
Try shooting a string of shots with 0.65” bartlien barrel vs green mountain, ershaw, stock barrels, he’ll even criterion... at the end tell me which one deflects/deviates/walks less from its poi.
I say from experience (opinions). I have every single of them barrels but never had a green mountain or ershaw and probably never will. Best barrels I’ve had are bartliens - they just delfect less. Look at major rifle makers. I think they use bartlien barrels - well rifle makers worth a dang lol. Butttt I haven’t been in the rifle market for a long time so take what I say as a pile of chit lol. Cheers
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I've been very happy with XCaliber barrels, Never feel I've missed a shot in competition due to the barrel. That being said my next choice would be Hawk Hill, then Bartlien/RockCreek etc.
I finished 8th in the SE Regional PRS Series out of 400+ shooters. So, gotta shoot what you have confidence in. Also I don't really play with sporter weight barrels, so that isn't something I can speak too at the moment. At that level I may agree with you, but like I said, haven't personally tested it.
Congrats on your finishing 8th! I too have xcals 0.80” muzzle and they shoot awesome. Matter fact, I have two of them barrels.
My next build is on a criterion 243 but timeeee - just don’t have time Haha. Btwn wife, kids, work, guns and my diesels - not enough of me to go around. Wife n kids tops all of them sadly...
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See I gave up all my other hobbies to focus on competitive shooting. Family and shooting is all I do outside of the Military now.
Good my man! Thank you for your services!Quote:
Originally Posted by LoneWolf
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I'm looking for performance per dollar, that sounds good!Quote:
Originally Posted by LoneWolf
I struggle to see how a cut rifled barrel can be as consistent as a good quality button. I've a lot to learn though. Also, and please forgive in advance, but putting a $500 tube on a factory Savage setup is like putting lipstick on a pig. I've got several Savage's and I like them just fine. But no expensive barrels. I too like the X-Caliber stuff, best bang for the buck out there. I can't believe they're still priced where they are.
To each their own. Savages are extremely accurate actions. I guess I have a few pigs that i like. Just can’t justify 5-6k rifle builds so I stick with savages.Quote:
Originally Posted by gbflyer
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I agree, and sort of my point without communicating it well. They do very well without an expensive whiz-bang barrel. And you're right, buy one if ya want. Just may not be necessary is all.Quote:
Originally Posted by MRCHIRO
Im sold....
Last month my model 12 and Bughole Bartlein 6BR 400 32Xs. Mine is a shooter
From reading a lot of posts on a lot of forums, my impression is a lot of guys view the cut rifled barrels as being superior in some way, shape or form overQuote:
Originally Posted by gbflyer
the button rifled barrels. Whether they think they clean up faster, are more accurate or last longer, less metallurgical stress, etc...seems like those that
prefer the cut rifled barrels have stronger feelings about it (for whatever reasons).
Def. seen more twist options with the cut rifled barrels.
I have lots of both and would be hard pressed to tell you either is better than the other. Off the top of my head, I have Bartlein, Brux, Benchmark, Krieger,
Lilja, Rock Creek and Shilen. Had a Hart. Interested in trying a Muller and/or Broughton.
-Rick
SB,
That’s the thing... put 3 barrels of three to four different quality brands, chambered by the same quality reamer, by the same competent Gunsmith. Break in and do load dev on all 3 and I bet no one could tell what kind of rifling or how it was cut simply by shooting it.
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I respectfully disagree.. I believe the cut rifle barrels would perform better.
I do believe you would eventually find a button rifled barrel that would outperform a cut rifled barrel, but most of the time the cut rifle will outperform the button rifled...
That’s just my opinion..
this!Quote:
Originally Posted by LoneWolf
I would have to humbly disagree. Metals come in different grades. Manufacturing the barrels take different avenues from one maker to the next which changes the metallurgy of the said barrels and differentiated by the Smith with skills at hand.
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I will have to add that CBI barrels are extremely good button rifled barrels. They are good enough to win in F Class competition with the right shooter behind the trigger. I can't comment on benchrest competition since I've never competed in that discipline.
I love my Criterion Barrels. Here’s 5 shots from my 22-250 8” twist light varmint at 710 yards. 75gr Amax pushed by a liberal dose of R15.Quote:
Originally Posted by cowtownup
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Good to know info...
That's a bold statement....True??Quote:
Originally Posted by MRCHIRO
Very - it’s not scientific either. True??? I don’t know that’s up for you to decide. Opinions are like (__!__) , everyone’s got one.Quote:
Originally Posted by penna shooter
Cheers and happy holiday everyone! Stay savfe and keep shooting! pew pew
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Yes its true...
I had Greg at Southern Precision make a 4 groove 6 Dasher Krieger barrel,, my bench rest gun with Panda action will shoot in the .1s. Kreiger is a good choice too.
I do like my Bartlien 5 r,, cleans just a little better do to no sharp edged rifling.
Now come on guys! Everyone knows Ford truck axles make the best barrels hands down.
I know you meant to say XCaliber [emoji23]Quote:
Originally Posted by J.Baker
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LOL....surely not! Maybe if they were a paid advertiser, but they're not so.... :pQuote:
Originally Posted by LoneWolf
I didn't notice ford on the advertiser pages either.
It's called satire - aka humor. Gimme a break!Quote:
Originally Posted by Robinhood
Heh heh!
Now, where to get this thing rifled....
https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=...pid%3D15.1&f=1
Ooooo. Custom barrel fluting. Nice.