WHAT would you get CBI OR SHILEN BULL in 6 creedmoor or 6.5 creedmoor
For 500 800 1000 yards
Who has better QC
THANKS
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WHAT would you get CBI OR SHILEN BULL in 6 creedmoor or 6.5 creedmoor
For 500 800 1000 yards
Who has better QC
THANKS
I purchased a Shilen "Match" barrel in 338-06. I have shot it out to 600yards (once) and it shot sub MOA (4.5"). Not the best but for the slow 225 grain bullet that I shoot, not bad either. Not sure if this is any help at all, but this is the direction I went when faced with the same question.
I don't have any experience with the Shilen, But I have 2 Criterions already and another on the way. They are great barrels and have had such good luck with them, that I haven't had to try a different maker. Honestly, I think you'll be happy with either one.
6.5 Creed is my vote.
I have both barrels both are easy to clean and are shooters can't go wrong with ether one.
I have a couple of Shilens -- borescope shows a lapped bore free of obvious defects. I did have to call Shilen customer service when trying to dope out a fit issue with my receiver. They were responsive, helpful and courteous -- and the problem ultimately had nothing to do with their barrel. Can't do a comparison, though. I have been happy with what I have. I recently purchased a McGowan chambered in .222, and I have a used Douglas in 6.5x55, which I have not had a chance to shoot yet. These are made by humans, subject to human error, and will be part of mechanical devices subject to pretty intense forces. Add human error on a shooter/reloader's part and it is tough to guarantee anything beyond a certain level of attention to detail at the factory. Based on what I have seen written about both brands here, I wouldn't hesitate to try a barrel from either manufacturer.
Thanks for you're reply everyone.
Now if (HOG DON) < ha ha....get some H- 4350 out the door. I would fill better and order a shilen
Can't help with those calibers but I have one of each in .308, both are very well finished and installed easily using a NSS lug and barrel nut. I really can't tell any difference in accuracy between the two using the same loads. I would call Northland SS to see what he has in stock and go with whatever he has that fits the length and twist you want.
CBI
Y cbi ? I think there equal.Quote:
Originally Posted by cowtownup
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Originally Posted by homefrontsniper
Probably for the same reason I say CBI.... It's because we've used them.... or are using them.... I am a CBI fan, not that Shilen isn't equal or comparable, but it's what we've used.... I love mine and just ordered a 3rd.
Jim Briggs from NSS (retired) was who I talked to about Shilen or CBI when I ordered my first. "He said that he would be happy with either one" I just chose the Criterion because, (at that time) they were connected to Krieger barrels. That was a name I recognized as "Quality".
Cheers,
I have a CBI in 260, and a Douglas in 308. Both cost roughly the same, and will shoot about the same. You can't go wrong with either one of them.
Same boat as sage rat... I have a CBI that shoots.. IVe never owned a shilen.
You got two replies of people who have both and that is the rubber meets the road.
Both agreed they were equal. Flip option then whichever is lower cost and or can get soonest in my opinion.
What I can say is the assessment of smoothness is very relevant.
I have an XC and a Shilen, both in 30 caliber but not the same cartridge
That said, the Shilen is smoother inside (boroscope) and it cleans up easier.
The XC shoots as good as the Shilen, its not as smooth inside and it clean up about 50% more cleaning activity.
As I am not fond of cleaning barrels, Given the choice again and what response you have, I would go with Shilen or the CBI on an equal basis.
I have both also. A 22" Shilen in an AR platform 6.5 grendel and a 24" CBI in 6.5x55 in a Savage. Both will easily shoot sub-moa and on the occassion one hole groups at 100 yards. Can't go wrong with either.
I've owned just about all of them and it's not always the barrel maker. Purchased a used pacnor on this site few years ago cheap, the guy said it shot 3/4" so I'm guessing that's why I got it cheap. Never shot it, sent it to Devin Sinner and had it punched to ai, the barrel shot consistently in the .1's. Has a lot to do with who is Chambering the barrel
Thanks again everybody.
You are welcome.
Per below, your really can't say that. The guy may to have been able to shoot it.
Chambering can be done wrong but its the easier part of the mix. The barrel has to be right or the best chamber in the world is worthless.
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I've owned just about all of them and it's not always the barrel maker. Purchased a used pacnor on this site few years ago cheap, the guy said it shot 3/4" so I'm guessing that's why I got it cheap. Never shot it, sent it to Devin Sinner and had it punched to ai, the barrel shot consistently in the .1's. Has a lot to do with who is Chambering the barrel
Barrels are.funny things. Probably more.difference between different barrels than the two manufacturers
Look at one of those true half inch grouping stock savage barrels through a borescope. You wouldn't expect it to shoot for. $&! $. Then look at the shilen and a kraiger and a bartlein. Buying those premium barrels does improve the odds .
Ask a gunsmith that builds the real deal competition benchrest guns how many blanks he goes through before he selects The One. And these guys are buying the best blanks from the best manufactures and the still cull through them.
Getting a real hummer.barrel is.the.luck of.the.draw
Sorry for hijacking but I have seen this in Sagerat's post before, who is we? Is there a small sagerat in your pocket. :oHe he. Seriously Is there a group of you that are close or maybe a team? Just curious.Quote:
Originally Posted by SageRat Shooter
I agree that chambering can be wrong. Every time it is, there are less that desirable consequences. Since most barrels go through some sort of QC it is rare to see a "dog" make it through to the customer so in the end the final work is definitely a determining factor. The examples of crap rifled barrels from Savage and Shaw shooting tiny groups is a prime example. Back when Jim first got Apache started he rechambered a poor shooting 6.5 CM LRP barrel to 260. Shot consistent <1 moa at 1000.Quote:
Originally Posted by RC20
Thank you
Just so you know, CBI is now offering a 1.25" contour barrel and special barrel nut for large shank actions for those that want that HEAVY barrel... Its a pretty slick idea since the only way to run that large of a contour before was to have the barrel shouldered against the action/recoil lug. Among the chambers being offered in this barrel is a straight 284 with a .220 freebore for those 180 Hybrids or 183 SMKs.
Thanks for the heads up Cowtownup about the newest profiles available from CBI. I was not aware of those and I'm interested.Quote:
Originally Posted by cowtownup
Yeah, I'm building a straight 284 now and I've invested money in a reamer and a barrel and will have to have a gunsmith chamber and shoulder it as compared to this setup. I don't regret it since I've been wanting to try a cut rifle barrel, but this is a great option for those wanting to shoot F-Open or target shooting.
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Originally Posted by cowtownup
I have two barrels (a Krieger and a Bartlein) that are 1.25" at the breech, i bought as blanks. My gunsmith(s) threaded them for standard large shank Savage actions and they are installed with the standard Savage barrel nut.
The standard large shank barrel nut has a smaller ID than 1.25" so I would be of the opinion that either your gunsmith modified the barrel nut or the barrel steps up out past the nut. I've asked Josh at Criterion how they made this heavy barrel offering possible and he stated that the barrel nut is modified.
I'm interested to hear how yours was done and how they shoot? Do you like the 1.25" barrel profile and was it difficult to tune?
A cut rifle barrel is one of my desires as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by cowtownup
Probably be some time.
One more project to go and working on getting good enough to hopefully be able to utilize the capabilities to somewhere on the edge of what they can do.
Well, I've just got to learn for myself what cut rifle barrels are like. Its been twice as expensive as buying a pre fit savage barrel so hopefully the benefits will be directly proportional to the cost.. I've spent $386 on bartlein barrel blank, $200 on a JGS reamer and I had to buy pilot bushing since my smith has not chambered any 7mm barrels yet and they were $136... So, I'm north of $700 in a cut rifle barrel setup when you can buy a CBI for $350ish... I do have some benefits if I continue to use this reamer.. I'm sure if it shoots well my buddies will help me absorb the cost of the reamer... ha ha ha...
If I do it, it will be all done at Krieger, Bartlein etc.
I was surprised that the cost was not that much more than a button rifled.
Not sure you can get a pre fit but cost is still around $380 or so.
Southern Precision charges $500 for a Bartlein Prefit savage barrel... They have quite a few reamers choices in many different calibers.
Just looking at Barlein's webpage, they charge $345 for the barrel and $310 to chamber & install barrel... Not to mention 6-8 month lead time...
Regardless of which way you go in this hobby, the money gets GONE... LOL...
Robinhood,Quote:
Originally Posted by Robinhood
We: meaning more than one of us.... I was speaking on behalf of the other 2 posters (cowtownup, and homefront sniper) who recommended the Criterion barrel.. We are not close, but we are a group of CBI fans....
And that's the truth! Makes sense that pre-fit in a cut rifled would not be on the shelf and all the extras to get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by cowtownup
While I don't have a CBI barrel, I have been very impressed when someone report a problem and they jumped in without behind contacts.
That is the kind of customer service that gives me warm fuzzy feelings.
You got that right.. Nobody wants to send a barrel back but if it doesn't shoot and the manufacturer stands behind it, that really means a lot.. From what I can tell, CBI isn't seeing a lot of return barrels.. There business appears to be growing with new and innovative ideas. Good for them and even better for US...Quote:
Originally Posted by RC20
The barrels steps up past the standard barrel nut. the only one i have shot so far is the 6BR Krieger. it is the epitome of a 6BR, a tack driver. it was very easy to tune. the straight profile 1.25" barrel seems to have wide accuracy nodes. this a 28" barrel and is very heavy of, course. still waiting to shoot the Bartlein 6BR barrel with a 1.25" breech but a taper to the muzzle
The wide accuracy nodes comment is music to my ears....
Same here. I shoot F-T/R with a Criterion and it shoots very well. I just put together another rifle with a Brux built to use the nut. I tried a slightly faster twist than what Criterion offers. With the cost of the barrel blank and chambering I'm at almost 2x the cost of a Criterion pre-fit. There is no way that I'll get rewarded with twice the performance, lol. But like you, I have to learn.
I had that discussion about a new chain on my bicycle as I wee them out too fast.
Yes there are better and more expensive chains, but you don't get twice the life out of the chain that costs 3 times as much!
Now that's a slam dunk. I went with the old chain type because its not a big deal to change it.
On the other hand if a barrel shoots 30% better at twice the cost? I would take that!!
Of course I have to be able to shoot 30% better to!!!!!