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Finally got my 10FCR-SR (22441). Great Gun, the mag is junk. Won't hold the tenth round at all. Called savage, they said there was a bad run of those which I already knew thanks to this forum. She asked for the SN of the gun and said they'll send me a new one right away. They did, I got it promptly. It has the same SN as the original mag and IT only holds 9 also, what the hell. Has anyone modded these yet?
I can tell you right now they're not going to change/modify anything as they already have tens of thousands invested in the molds for these. Mag isn't junk though as it works...the folks at Savage just can't count very well.
Look, I'm a huge savage fan but if I had to count their magazine problems I'd run out of fingers and toes. How hard can it be to make a magazine? The 2015 model fcp-sr was suppose to have the improved mag.Quote:
Originally Posted by J. Baker
Believe it or not, ask any engineer at any firearms manufacturer and they will tell you that a stacked magazine is the hardest and most expensive part on any firearm to manufacture. I would venture to say that 3-5 times as much money is spent developing a magazine for a single cartridge size than is spent on developing the rest of the rifle it goes to.
As for an improved mag, I don't know where you're getting that. The only difference is that it's a higher capacity magazine. Savage markets it as a 10-round mag and it's not, but that's it's only downfall.
You hit the nail on the head. All they would've needed to do is make the whole mag maybe 3/4" taller. It's a great 8 round mag!Quote:
Originally Posted by J. Baker
Mine's actually a 9.5 round mag as can be seen in the photo's here...
http://www.savageshooters.com/showth...l=1#post324862
So the 10fcp-sr and the 10t share the same mag?Quote:
Originally Posted by J. Baker
Yes and no. The 10T comes with the standard 3 or 4-round magazine which uses the same upper metal piece as the 10-round magazine. Both models also use the same bottom metal surround to retain them.
Also if you look at some of the older 10fcp-sr's like on YouTube and even on this forum they have an all steel mag, much taller and looks like a single stack. Back then the complaint was they jiggled and made noise. Some guy on this forum has a video on YouTube of an insert that stops the rattle. At least they fit 10 then. Then savage fixed the rattle with a different mag that holds 8-9 rounds. Do I have this right?
The all metal magazines were AI magazines and had different bottom metal to accept them, both of which were very expensive. Thus the introduction of the new 10 err 9 round magazine that works with the standard Savage DBM bottom metal.
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Originally Posted by J. Baker
Thanks much for the education, that's what I love about this forum. I will still be calling Savage Monday morning and I won't talk to the first person they give me.
I hope yours at least feeds reliable? .308?
see:
http://www.savageshooters.com/showth...FCP-feed-issue
Got a replaceent magazine yesterday, and now it's just jamming 1 in 9-10 rounds (fits 10 if i install the mag into the rifle slowly, and work the bolt with care) instead of 3-4 in 9 rounds with the original mag..
Going to work on the first / original mag to see if i can get it to work properly, using mag 2 as an example since that one is almost trouble free, as long as i work the bolt slowly.
I like the trigger, stock and accuracy of this FCP, and Savage's customer service reps are friendly, but this continuing crappy magazine issue puts a big dent in my overall impression of this model.
Don't sell us stuff that's not working right Savage, bad news spreads way faster then good news.
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Originally Posted by vincentvangerven
amen!!
Talked to Savage customer service again. Now they want the two magazines back and they are shipping me yet another but she said she was going to test it before sending it. We'll see, I'm sure she'll get ten to fit. Boy, the lips on that mag really spread out on the rim end of the case. If you breathe on the mag the tenth one pops out. With ten in the mag and the bolt closed I can't get the mag in far enough to click and seat in. I have to open the bolt then when the mag clicks into place number 10 pops out of the mag.
As I said in the other post and illustrated with photos, it's NOT a ten round magazine. You guys are just going to have to accept that sooner or later. The fact Savage mistakenly called it a ten round mag is beside the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by powderburnz
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Originally Posted by J. Baker
You ever buy a car with a 5 speed and just accept the fact you can only use 4? WTF
My magazines must be the exception because I have 2 10 round magazines that actually hold 10 rounds. I called CS and told them about this problem and received replacements. All I did was take the magazines and load them with 10 rounds and used velcro straps to hold the 10 rounds in the magazine and left in the gun safe for a few days and low and behold they work.
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Originally Posted by bandj524
Serial number on the mags? Is it 110307?
If you're that bent out of shape over 1 round sell the rifle and go buy something else. All you're doing is beating a dead horse at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by powderburnz
Or spend 210.00 get a accurate mag bottom metal and a 10 rnd mag that works, But for some 8 rnd works also, Mag Pull is making AICS mag 5 rnd for 35 and 10 rnd for 45 they will also fit as will ruger scout rifle mags and AICS mags, This is what the original 10FCP-SR had and it worked flawlessly so I already figured this cost into this rifle an original 10FCP-SR would cost that much anyway, That's why this rifle is cheaper so I paid 675.00 plus 100.00 rebate so 575 plus 210 so it cost 785 plus tax and that's still cheaper than the original at all most 1200.00 in some cases. Love it shoots like a dream, NO FTF or FTE problem solved!
I've read much about that, and maybe someday. For now I'd like to just get what I paid for. Maybe I wouldn't be so bitter but I have my fair share of savages (mostly .22's) with mag issues, just sick of it. They make such awesome rifles for the money and stop short of the finish line at times.Quote:
Originally Posted by greyghost
where is the serial number at I have looked all over short of taking it apart and don't see one. But I have to agree with J baker its a great rifle for a good price try what I did and see if it works. It did for mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by powderburnz
The only problem I see with this solution is that it could ultimately have very negative result. The upper magazine housing is spring steel, and the rounds will not sit any deeper into the magazine than they already are. So basically what you're doing is forcing the feed lips to take a new set that's wider which could result in poor retention that leads to the magazine letting the rounds pop right out of it. The photo's in this post show exactly what I'm talking about as the 10th round is holding the lips open wider than they should be to accommodate the full width of the body of the case. If the top round is sitting up this high in your magazines you're going to end up having issues with round retention at some point.Quote:
Originally Posted by bandj524
For those who have one of the SSS extended magazines, if you pull them apart and measure the inside dimensions you'll find the new Savage magazine is pretty much identical. Savage did the exact same thing Dark Eagle did in that they simply copied an existing SSS design. Dark Eagle chose to make theirs a true 10-round magazine which meant going to a larger/more expensive billet bar stock which is why they're more expensive than the SSS units were. Savage went the molded polymer route as it's much cheaper and faster to manufacture in high volume while being just as durable for it's intended purpose.
Also, 110307 is the part number, not a serial number. Big difference! lol
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Originally Posted by bandj524
Well, if you hold the mag with the cartridges pointing to the left then the number is on the very upper left of the plastic piece.
not a serial number, just an item number.Quote:
Originally Posted by powderburnz
9 or 10 rounds doesn't bug me THAT much, it's the feeding issues that i think are unacceptable.
How can you call this a 'law enforcement series' if the guns don't feed reliably? :o
I've yet to have any feeding issues with mine, but I have noticed if you baby the bolt when you cycle it the round can pop out of the feed lips a little early and hang up. Cycle it with some authority (like all bolts should be cycled) and you shouldn't have any issues.
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Originally Posted by J. Baker
What year is yours?
hmm, interesting; in order to avoid those jams i actually have to cycle the gun really carefully and push the bolt forward with just my thumb. If i grab the bolt handle and work it a little faster like you want to make a quick follow up shot it goes all wrong / hangs up.Quote:
Originally Posted by J. Baker
In another thread there's a guy who has the same issue with his rifle that i have; his gun is apparently on its way back to Savage, so i'm curious what they're going to do with his..
http://www.savageshooters.com/showth...FCP-feed-issue
(i'll wait and see before i start sending the rifle in)
Well, considering they just came out with this 10-round magazine this year, I'm going to go waaaaaaaay out on a limb and guess 2015? LOL Ship date for this review rifle from the factory to me was June 26th of this year so it's probably about as new and up-to-date as they get.Quote:
Originally Posted by powderburnz
Don't think this was the first year they made the 10fcp-sr.Quote:
Originally Posted by J. Baker
http://youtu.be/IJWVzQRnpMg
http://youtu.be/7SY-d9Zy4EI
We're talking about the magazine, not the rifle model itself. Yes, the 10FCP-SR has been around a couple years now, but as was mentioned previously they used different bottom metal that accepted Accuracy International (AI) mags (as shown in your two links). The mags in question - the NEW Savage 10-round polymer mags - were just introduced this year (2015) on this and a couple other models.Quote:
Originally Posted by powderburnz