10-FCP feed issue

Hey all,
new member, also my first savage rifle. Hoping for some insight.

have owned this for about 9 months now. Just recently working up some good loads that I'm happy with but...here's my issue.
About 1 in 5 rounds doesn't seem to want to push fully into the chamber. As I push the bolt forward it goes about 85-90% home and then hangs. I can back off slightly, or jiggle the bolt a little as I let back on the forward pressure, and it goes on in. Not every round but more often than I am comfortable with. New ammo, reloads, doesn't matter. Same result.

Was hoping it might be something that would work its way out but I now have about 200 rounds thru it and it's no better, no worse.
I can petition savage to look at it as a "warranty" issue as it is still less than 1 year since purchase but that means removing scope, paying shipping, waiting etc. and hoping they actually solve the issue, Or paying a local smith to take a look.

Anyone have a similar experience? One of my concerns is that don't want to send it in just to have them throw an oversized reamer in it to quick fix it ultimately sacrificing accuracy etc. Always a little concerned with if they let it go out the door that way, why would they concern themselves with being diligent in the repair.
Maybe I'm Paranoid.
Thoughts?

it sounds like the rounds are clearing the mag and not hanging up, right? will it do this if you single feed a round?

Bruce

Yes. Even when single feeding the problem exists.
It's almost feels like the bolt doesn't quite align the cartridge properly or like there's a small ridge that grabs the case mouth as it enters that last 1/2" of chambering.
I have essentially no gunsmithing experience so that is just an off the cuff statement as to what it "feels like"

Try playing w

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Originally Posted by jb6.5

Try playing w

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Sorry, stupid phone.
Try adjusting the magazine lips to hold the base of the cartridge down a little bit longer. Sometimes they will let the cartridge kinda pop up or slip out too soon and cause it to bind upwards in the back. The friction on the bolt face won't allow it to straighten up without pulling back and letting it settle before you can push it in

I have two mags and doesn't seem to matter which I use. Will even occasionally happen when single feeding unless I finger the cartridge deep and full into the chamber. If I just lay it in there withe the nose barely in it will sometimes happen.
Iwill try tweaking one of the mags and see if it changes anything.

is it the 1st round that catches or is it random? what caliber?

Bruce

random, 308

this isn't going to be much help to you but i'm thinking along the same lines as jb6.5, must be the feed lips on the mags. call Savage on the 13th when they re-open and talk with them. if it needs to go back under warranty they will take care of shipping i believe.

Bruce

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Originally Posted by devildogandboy

this isn't going to be much help to you but i'm thinking along the same lines as jb6.5, must be the feed lips on the mags. call Savage on the 13th when they re-open and talk with them. if it needs to go back under warranty they will take care of shipping i believe.

Bruce

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Probably end up sending it in.
Thanks for the input. I really like the rifle but hate that it doesn't feed reliably. Drives me nuts.

yup, same problem here, brand new FCP!!!

About a third of the rounds out of the mag will snag.

Left handed .308.

I do know where it's hanging / snagging, and that's about half an inch under the shoulder; the rounds snags on the top side of the chamber entrance / very back of the barrel.

To check if it's the same spot on your brass, put a little extra pressure on the bolt when it snags, then back the bolt back, take out the round and check to see if you see that same mark in the brass from the rear end of the chamber.

The $300 Axis i have feeds great, this FCP at twice the price doesn't feed right, has a flaw (dent) in the fluting of the barrel and at the last half inch of the barrel near the muzzle there's a small ring mark or machining flaw in the bore. (not me, noticed when new / unfired by me)

It shoots good, but this is just sloppy.

Haven't found a fix for the mag yet.


Awesome...

Just get accurate mag and new bottom metal, All those troubles will go away, I did and it feeds flawless every time 1st round to last, A lot smoother also

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Originally Posted by greyghost

Just get accurate mag and new bottom metal, All those troubles will go away, I did and it feeds flawless every time 1st round to last, A lot smoother also

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Lets spend about another $200 to get a new rifle to feed properly.. no thanks!

I bought a brand new multishot bolt action, and so i don't see why i should be on the hook for that amount, just because the factory shipped me one that doesn't feed properly...

My $100 mosin nagants feeds like a dream, am i wrong to expect a $700 (transfer fees and taxes) firearm to actually feed properly and hold the 10 rounds it's advertised to do without the 10th round popping out half the time when inserting the magazine in the rifle?

I'll call Savage, to see what they have to say about this.

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Originally Posted by vincentvangerven

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The $300 Axis i have feeds great, this FCP at twice the price doesn't feed right, has a flaw (dent) in the fluting of the barrel and at the last half inch of the barrel near the muzzle there's a small ring mark or machining flaw in the bore. (not me, noticed when new / unfired by me)

It shoots good, but this is just sloppy.

Haven't found a fix for the mag yet.


Awesome...

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Same ring mark here in a 17 years old Savage 110FP Tacticle .308

http://www11.pic-upload.de/12.07.15/myv8s66swgv1.jpg

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Originally Posted by Wicasa

Same ring mark here in a 17 years old Savage 110FP Tacticle .308

http://www11.pic-upload.de/12.07.15/myv8s66swgv1.jpg

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yup that's it, could be a pic of my bore..

I tend to agree with Vince. A new rifle that I put out $1000 for (mine is the HS Precision model) should not require me to spend $200 on a aftermarket mag to function.
If it is the mag, it seems like savage should be able to figure this out and design a better one. If AccuMags can do it, why can't savage.

I just visited AccuMags web site. They say that they're mags are used in many factory savage rifles. Anyone know which models?
i have to say I'm a bit disappointed to hear that it might be a common problem. I hope I don't regret buying this instead of the Remington that I almost bought. Might be a rifle for sale here soon. I hate stuff that doesn't work right.

If you read up on this rifle, It was a known fact off the get go they were having trouble with the savage mag, That's why they were so long in coming out, Because they couldn't keep the demand for mags up with the production of rifles. I also changed out to the accurate mag because if P-Mag ever gets its production up and running you will be able to buy the aics mag at 1/2 the cost of factory mag. The original 10 fcp-sr was aics compatible and never had a problem but instead of 1200.00 the same rifle is 7-800 and you get the factory bottom metal and mag, 200.00 well spent to fix the problem and I have several mags to choose from rather than 1 over priced mag that may or may not work. But that's MHO And your still better off than buying a Rem

I just spoke with the guy at Accurate-Mag. He's not sure that his DBM's will even fit my rifle. Said he hasn't had one of these newer style FCP's to fit, so were shooting in the dark here. He asked about where my mag release is. Told him. He said that is a proprietary mag that Savage came out with.
I also just got off the phone with Savage CS. They are sending me a call tag to send in the rifle for service. We will see where it goes from here. I'm willing to give them the chance, and hopefully it's something they can easily deal with.
I didn't mention i did buy a Dark Eagle Mag (10 rnd) and the problem exist with that one as well so I'm not fully convinced it's in the mags, but not ruling it out either. Dark eagle uses the savage top metal and puts their own extended bottom, follower etc. to make the 10 round. Savage only offers the 4 round flush.
Im curious if you have the same configuration as mine, or if your's is the older style before the proprietary mags?

Mine is a 2015 fcp-sr the bolt release is on the side, The mag release is on the bottom the new bottom metal fit like a glove, The only problem I had was the screws they say original screws will work they will not, Do not talk to young Phillip the owners son he is not only arrogant but does not know his own product. I told him his own web site said it came with screws he basically called me a liar, I called back with the web site and he did eat crow, I was sent the proper screws. Other than that it works perfect, I agree pain in the butt to spend that much money and have to spend 200.00 to be right, But now I have complete faith in this rifle so to me it was the right thing to do. I want to be able to get good mags, If you cant it becomes a single shot real quick

I don't think a dark eagle will work until you change bottom metal, Then supposedly dark eagle, aics, accurate mag, Ruger scout rifle, And P-mag aics mags will work or so I am told, Hope this helps

The dark eagle fits and works with the factory bottom metal.
I have used it with no problem along side the factory 4 round that came with it.
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The accurate mag guy was supposed to email me a template drawing to see if his bottom metal will fit but the email has not arrived. Maybe tomorrow.
Does the HS stock utilize the same BM as the FCP-SR/accu stock? I'm wondering if that's where the difference lies.
It wasn't Phil that I talked to. He seemed to know what he was talking about as far as the proprietary metal etc etc.

Im really curious to see what the result will be from Savage. The tech on the phone didn't seem at all concerned about the mag. In fact, he told me I didn't even need to send the mag in with it. I told him I would because I want to make sure that the mag was not part of the problem. I hope that I will be able to get some feedback as to what they find.

Let us know what Savage has to say, Good Luck and yes the other guy at accurate mag is very good and knows the product well, He took good care of me and was very courteous.

Am pretty much convinced the problem is in the mag; check if your rounds snags in the chamber at the top end / where the scope rail is when closing the bolt; on mine the mag spring / follower is putting too much upward pressure on the rounds.

When moving the bolt forward and a round clears the mag, the cartridge jumps up from the back when it clears the mag lips, making the round go into the chamber crooked. Nose down, case head upwards. The forward moving bolt is then locking the misalligned round halfway in the chamber and makes it freeze up / jam. Take the tension of the bolt, the round alligns, and you can chamber it.

Haven't solved it 100 % but am on the right track by disassembling the mag and lowering the follower spring tension (bending the spring lightly)

Went from 3 jams in 9 rounds to maybe 1. Savage is sending a new mag so i can experiment a bit with the old one. The problem of only being able to load 9 rounds still exists..

Open the lips in the front of the mag just a little. It will allow the brass to feed up and out a little slower and smoother without poping up as bad. Should fix the problem

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Originally Posted by jb6.5

Open the lips in the front of the mag just a little. It will allow the brass to feed up and out a little slower and smoother without poping up as bad. Should fix the problem

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helps, but turns my mag into a 9 shot mag, 10th round pops out the moment you insert the mag into the rifle.

When I talked to the tech at savage he seemed to think it was very unlikely a mag issue. In fact, I specifically asked about sending in the mag and he said 'not necessary'. I sent it in anyways. I hope they will let me know what was done when it comes back. I did include a note describing the issue and requested for them to let me know what action was taken. We will see if that happens.

just before I sent it off I played around a bit with a Hornady bullet comparator. I was a little surprised to learn that factory rounds are chambering with the bullet well into the lands. Anyone else notice this with thier factory rifle?

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Originally Posted by JWPNW

When I talked to the tech at savage he seemed to think it was very unlikely a mag issue. In fact, I specifically asked about sending in the mag and he said 'not necessary'. I sent it in anyways. I hope they will let me know what was done when it comes back. I did include a note describing the issue and requested for them to let me know what action was taken. We will see if that happens.

just before I sent it off I played around a bit with a Hornady bullet comparator. I was a little surprised to learn that factory rounds are chambering with the bullet well into the lands. Anyone else notice this with thier factory rifle?

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i guess this might be a bit early, but did Savage get to your gun yet?(same issue here)

Funny you should ask. It just arrived yesterday evening.
So I started looking it over and immediately something looked different. I'm not sure, but I could almost bet it has a different barrel on it.
i was told there would be a 'invoice' when it returned showing what had been done. There was none. No paperwork whatsoever. Just a shipping label, a box and a rifle.
I called savage this morning and they tell me they couldn't find anything wrong with it but they did "disassemble, clean and headspace.
Now why would they do that if there wasn't an issue?

Now, I installed the bolt and immediately notice that it seems a little bit less loose, a fair bit smoother, and most definitely locks and unlocks easier than it did before. Not like a custom rifle or anything, but just better. Loaded up the mag and dry cycled several dozen rounds. I had one round just barely catch out of about 50-60 cycles. BTW, that was with both the factory mag and the dark eagle mag. Both were equally troublesome before.
I also checked the bullet seat to lands and guess what? Factory seating length no longer touches the lands.
So not sure what they really did, but it is way better than it was.

was it a scope mount screw or action screw?

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Originally Posted by Robinhood

was it a scope mount screw or action screw?

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Didn't appear to be

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Originally Posted by JWPNW

Funny you should ask. It just arrived yesterday evening.
So I started looking it over and immediately something looked different. I'm not sure, but I could almost bet it has a different barrel on it.
i was told there would be a 'invoice' when it returned showing what had been done. There was none. No paperwork whatsoever. Just a shipping label, a box and a rifle.
I called savage this morning and they tell me they couldn't find anything wrong with it but they did "disassemble, clean and headspace.
Now why would they do that if there wasn't an issue?

Now, I installed the bolt and immediately notice that it seems a little bit less loose, a fair bit smoother, and most definitely locks and unlocks easier than it did before. Not like a custom rifle or anything, but just better. Loaded up the mag and dry cycled several dozen rounds. I had one round just barely catch out of about 50-60 cycles. BTW, that was with both the factory mag and the dark eagle mag. Both were equally troublesome before.
I also checked the bullet seat to lands and guess what? Factory seating length no longer touches the lands.
So not sure what they really did, but it is way better than it was.

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"Factory seating length no longer touches the lands" I wonder if they set the barrel a bit further out... No sure if you handload / know your rifle's dimensions well, but it would be interesting to see what the brass tells you, if it expands differently then before (less or more expansion when firing), expecially near the base, then you might indeed have a different barrel.

Well, they took care of you fast, that's good.

Am going to send mine in for the same issues you experienced; it has a real nice tight chamber and is really accurate, despite the tooling marks in the bore at the last half inch of the muzzle, but these feed issues are driving me nuts.

spoke to Savage, gun is going back on Monday... In the meantime i'll just shoot my 223 heavy barrel Axis :)

Took it to the range. Note: I think they returned the rifle with a new mag. not a rub mark or scratch on it.

Checking the brass after firing. Head space is very close to the same within .0005~.001 of before. The bullet to land difference is about .030 from previous. 168 BTHP's now set about .020 from the lands now and 175 BTHP are basically touching the lands. significant difference.

Now, gets a little interesting here....at the range i had a couple of rounds hang up toward the end of my session while using the new factory 4 round mag.
Got home, cleaned the rifle. Dry cycled some more rounds. The factory mag is now repeating the before mentioned hang ups. It's quite bad and gets worse the more i try. it quickly got to the point where every other round hangs up. The Dark Eagle is feeding flawlessly. Not a single hiccup. very smooth. I'm noticing the fact mag spring feels really soft, Kinda mushy.
The DE spring is much snappier and stronger not to mention the machined aluminum follower which seems to be a 'anti-tilt' design. It's a night and day difference in how the rounds feed. I'm thinking Im going to toss the factory and buy another DE. for a second mag. Will do another range session next week with only the Dark Eagle and see if it exhibits any issues.
Keep in mind, Before I sent it in, both mags were having the hang up issue, so I feel something definitely changed in the rifle.
When i first got it back,initially both were working well, but now the factory one has became problematic very quickly. the DE seems to be of good quality and working very well
Disappointing to have to chase this rabbit on a $1K rifle.
As far as accuracy, i was able to get some nice three round groups, but 4th and 5th seemed to walk off. Holding off judgement until i get a few more down range and try a couple of different loads. Also, could have just been me not being quite on for the day. another trip or two to the bench will reveal the story there.

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Took it to the range. Note: I think they returned the rifle with a new mag. not a rub mark or scratch on it.

Checking the brass after firing. Head space is very close to the same within .0005~.001 of before. The bullet to land difference is about .030 from previous. 168 BTHP's now set about .020 from the lands now and 175 BTHP are basically touching the lands. significant difference.

Now, gets a little interesting here....at the range i had a couple of rounds hang up toward the end of my session while using the new factory 4 round mag.
Got home, cleaned the rifle. Dry cycled some more rounds. The factory mag is now repeating the before mentioned hang ups. It's quite bad and gets worse the more i try. it quickly got to the point where every other round hangs up. The Dark Eagle is feeding flawlessly. Not a single hiccup. very smooth. I'm noticing the fact mag spring feels really soft, Kinda mushy.
The DE spring is much snappier and stronger not to mention the machined aluminum follower which seems to be a 'anti-tilt' design. It's a night and day difference in how the rounds feed. I'm thinking Im going to toss the factory and buy another DE. for a second mag. Will do another range session next week with only the Dark Eagle and see if it exhibits any issues.
Keep in mind, Before I sent it in, both mags were having the hang up issue, so I feel something definitely changed in the rifle.
When i first got it back,initially both were working well, but now the factory one has became problematic very quickly. the DE seems to be of good quality and working very well
Disappointing to have to chase this rabbit on a $1K rifle.
As far as accuracy, i was able to get some nice three round groups, but 4th and 5th seemed to walk off. Holding off judgement until i get a few more down range and try a couple of different loads. Also, could have just been me not being quite on for the day. another trip or two to the bench will reveal the story there.

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So the headspace stayed about the same, but your throat got longer / shorter? That makes no sense to me, unless they installed another barrel.(?)

vincent. Please report when yours gets back. Will be curious of the results.

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vincent. Please report when yours gets back. Will be curious of the results.

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Will do, gun should land at Savage this coming Monday. Any luck with yours?

Got her back... action cleaned, then test fired by Savage.

Got the same barrel / action back, they did touch up / work on that dent in the fluting, but it still has that darn feed issue when the bolt is operated quickly, and / or when chambering a round while using more then 1 finger on the bolt knob. It needs to be baby-fed with just a thumb. 9 rounds is all the mag takes reliably.

I can live with 9 rounds, but these feed issues flippin' suck. If it werent so darn accurate i would have gotten rid of it one way or the other.

No more new model Savage rifles for me till i see troublefree guns and mags.

I had a similar problem with an fcpk when I changed out the factory ejector to a SSS ejector. After doing some online research to alleviate the problem I came across a thread on Accurateshooter where it was said the ejector was proud. I put the original back in and the feeding issue went away, so maybe check that the ejector is not proud. Do a google search for "Accurateshooter.com proud ejector" for more information.

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I had a similar problem with an fcpk when I changed out the factory ejector to a SSS ejector. After doing some online research to alleviate the problem I came across a thread on Accurateshooter where it was said the ejector was proud. I put the original back in and the feeding issue went away, so maybe check that the ejector is not proud. Do a google search for "Accurateshooter.com proud ejector" for more information.

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you mean this (?);


http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/...amfer-ejector/

No, sorry. Try this...
http://benchrest.com/archive/index.php/t-81830.html