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I just called Boyds and they said they were looking into making a stock for the BMag. They said the more people that ask for it, the more they'll look into it. So, please call them and ask for it. (: The number is (605)996-5011 and dial 4 for customer service. Thanks!
Yep, already asked about a stock for the B-mag, hope they get to it soon. Please Boyds, that stock needs serious help.
Called a while back.
Picked up my B Mag on 11/7/13. Once out of the box the first thing I noticed was that the barrel was not centered in the stock, the barrel was closer to the left side of the grove and quite obvious (how did this pass quality control?). I mounted a Nikon scope on the rifle and headed to the range. First three shots from the gun could easily be covered by a dime and after tweaking the scope were right in the center of the target, very pleased with that aspect.
I was bothered enough by the aesthetics to contact Savage and sent along a picture of the problem. They contacted me back and are sending me a UPS label so I can send the rifle back to them for inspection/repair. Bottom line, I have owned the gun 10 days, put 40 rounds of ammo through it and its back to the manufacturer. Not a really good way to start a relationship. Yes, I did remove the barrel assembly and try to align the barrel and stock to no avail, when the two screws are tightened the barrel goes back into mis-alignment. Anyone else experienced this problem?
Everyone has the same complaint about the stock, not much we can do until someone comes out with a replacement. I owned my gun for 2 days before it went back to savage for several issues. The good news is that savage will stand behind their product.
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Originally Posted by 0153
Yes mine is scewed to the same side! I will be calling them today also. At this rate they will have 75% of their guns back at Savage before to long...lol
At least u got a ups label. I had to ship my 93r17 back for misfire issues on my own dime. Hopefully Savage will take care of you.
Vince t
I called today and spoke with a service tech, he instucted me to remove the stock and try to adjust it back to center. After attempting this with no success i removed the stock and looked down it and wouldn't you know, the plastic was molded with a bow to the right wich was why it was scewed to the left side of my barrel. Called them back and explained the issue to the girl that i spoke with and she said she was shipping out a new stock tommorrow with a ups label to return the old one. Also mentioned to her that i didn't know what the heck the designer of that stock was thinking, but suggested they let him go so that he could return to the toy company he came from.:eyebrows: She laughed, i thanked her and have to say they always take care of the problems if any arise.
So i get the new stock today, pull it out of the plastic, looked down it and guess what....it's bowed to the right too! Put my barrel in it just to check and same thing, left side of the barrel is slamed up against the stock. I guess no one took it out of the plasatic and checked it before they shipped it to me. Now i have to pull my scope of and ship the whole gun back to them. I am going to request that i get a gun back that shoots excellent or i want a refund!
Just picked one up today perfectly centeredhttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/22/y6ame6ad.jpg
In your picture it looks like a larger gap on the left than the right side of the barrel, but definately better than the pos stock's i got!
I am having the same problem with my new MKII'sI wood stock. The bbl is hitting the stock on the right side. I have not tried to alleviate the problem myself. If I send it back to Savage and they replace the wood with another piece that is the same I will really be pissed!
Wonder if maybe a low roast in the oven and a little gravity would straighten it up.
I will probably try something, I do not want to buy a replacement.
Thanks,
Swanny, you are correct about your rifle, however, this is NOT the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swanny297
Try this:
Unload your rifle (of course). Remove the clip. Turn the rifle upside-down. Put the bbl in a padded vise.
Now, push on the tip of the fore-end, site to side. Observe the stock in the vicinity of the magazine. Push the fore-end right, the butt end of the stock goes left. Just waaaay too thin in it's midsection.....
gug luk
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I received my BMag back (returned because of bbl to stock misalignment) and nothing had been done...Emailed again and was told on Thursday they were sending another call tag by someone in management. It's Monday and no call tag yet. I like the gun but as of now have little confidence in Savage. They had a chance to fix the problem and blew it. They did check the headspacing and test fired the weapon for some reason but ignored the issue it went back for. More to follow I am sure.
I just bought my Bmag on 12-5-13 and haven't found any bullets yet, but after reading this forum I wanted to let you all know I have the same issue with my stock as I've read about here, tight on the left. I also can't get the trigger to adjust below 3 lbs. but that's ok. I really like the concept and will call Boyd's tomorrow also. My Serial # is J2404XX. I'll let you know how it shoots when I get some ammo.
Thanks all.
I have not contacted Savage about the problem with my stock. Saying that, I think all of us should contact them and let them know that we are more than concerned about their inferior stocks. Why should we spend the money for after marked stocks to replace Savage inferior workmanship.
I am going to call them today!
Before any of you decide to purchase a B Mag please read my posts dated 11/17 and 12/9. On 12/5 in response to a second complaint to their customer service department I received an email from Paul Smarrelli their Director of Service. He apologized and told me he would get a supervisor involved and that he would arrange for a pre paid will call tag to be sent to me so that the gun can be returned for a second time. Well it's now 12/10, UPS has already been by and no call tag. After my email to Smarrelli yesterday I thought he might get into his car and drive to CT to pick this gun up personally. If any of you are considering a B Mag I suggest you hold off until they can produce a stock that is straight unless you simply don't care how the gun looks. I've always bought American where possible, sorry I did this time. Will post more as this issue progresses. Savage Arms management needs to get involved and get rid of employees that apparently don't care about customers.
I believe customer service is to say the least overwhelmed with returned Bmags.
I had to talk with a supervisor to get mine out of their shipping dept. It sat there for over a week because the shipping clerk was out........?
Update to my previous posts. Savage now has my B Mag back for the second time. This time it took me threatening to contact the CEO of their parent company ATK and get him involved. I doubt that at over 8mil a year he would want too deal with a 300 dollar gun with a faulty stock and I guess they took that seriously. Will post again once I have it back hopefully next week. If they don't get it right this time I guarantee that I will make contact with the CEO of ATK...
I have a few quick questions. I bought a Savage Bmag .17wsm today. The barrel is not fully free floated. About 2/3 the way down the barrel channel there is contact along the bottom of the stock. I took it apart and the stock looks warped with the hump in the middle. I thought the Bmags were suppose to be free floated all the way to the receiver. Then I went to adjust the accu-trigger. When I pulled up on the wheel as the manual instructed the whole **** thing popped out. I got it all pushed back in and it seems to work okay. Felt very cheaply made. I also noticed my hands were very dirty from oil/powder residue. Handling the bolt and trigger assembly made my hands black. Was your Bmags cruddy from the factory? My Bmag looked a rimfire that had 2-3 hundred rounds fired through it. The crud was all inside it. Surely I wasn't sold a already returned and repackaged rifle. I have waited for this rifle for months. Due to snow here in Indiana I haven't shot it yet but this is the worse first impression I have ever had with a Savage product. I own 5 other Savage rifles.
While at the gun store waiting to purchase the Savage Bmag a man walked in and sold a .308 Savage 99 to the owner. The owner gave him $300.00 for the rifle. I offered the owner $400.00 30 seconds after the seller walked out. The owner said yes. That older Savage 99 is such a better crafted rifle than the Bmag
there is no comparsion.
T165 here are some answers for you-
*Yes,Barrel is supposed to be free floating to receiver. If stock is not to badly warped you can sand down the high spots that contact the barrel.
*Both of my Bmags were very dirty and greasy. Cleaning up will be needed. The bore will take some work to remove all the gunk.
I suggest you shoot it as soon as possible to check accuracy. Then decide if you need to return to savage for warranty.
I spoke with savage yesterday to find out when my gun would be returned, it was received on the 25th and had not been shipped, but was ready to be. The customer service rep said they replaced some parts (didn't know exactly what) and that it was shooting 3" when received but now is @ 1.25"...what ammo they used he didn't know. I guess i will evaluate it with an open mind when i recieve it and shoot it like i just received a new gun but that will be a test in it self. I sure do hope that boyd's would take pitty on us B mag owners and put out a stock as soon as they can!
My replacement came with a qualification sheet, which said which ammo was used and that it passed the 100yd range test. Unfortunately mine will not reproduce the 1.5" groups at 100yd with any consistency. I wonder if savage gets ammo that is of higher quality, other then the mass produced, off spec stuff that I keep getting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crockett
It just showed up, qualification sheet said it passed everything and shot 1.25" @ 100yd with 25gr ammo.
We shall see!!!
Good luck ! Lets us know how it shoots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crockett
The other Savage Bmag that came in with mine is the same way. It is only free floated 2/3 the way down the barrel. I don't mind doing a little sanding. And the barrel on the other Bmag is touching on the left side of the stock....mine is a bit off center but I can live with that. My **** shooting range is a slush pit right now. Not sure just where I can take it to sight it in properly and check accuracy.
One more question. I read the owners manual and saw nothing about dry firing a Savage Bmag. Perhaps I missed it. The cone breech does not look very sturdy to me. Does Savage give any guidance on dry firing?
If you need to dry fire, I would recommend putting and empty shell case in the chamber. I don't like to dry fire if I can help it.Quote:
Originally Posted by t165
I get that a lot. I have been dry firing guns for over 30 years (and hundreds of firearms) and I have never broken a firing pin. I do take care not to dry fire older rimfires due to pinging. While I would think it is a good idea to have some sort of buffer I was curious what Savage's instructions were....if the company has even commented on the matter? Oh....a .22 snap cap will not work properly. It fits loose and mine is now missing part of it's rim.
Savage has had my B Mag since 12/13/13 (second time) for the stock to barrel misalignment problem. Nothing from Savage or their Director of Service Paul Smarrelli as to when I might see the gun back and today is 12/21/13. This must be quite the problem with them as I know finding a straight stock cannot be that much of a problem unless all of their current stocks are crooked. More news as this develops. In the meantime if you don't care about how it looks then this gun is a tack driver. If you care just a little bit about how it looks don't buy it just yet Savage has work to be done. :(
I saw a bmag at a local gunshow and the stock was hitting on the left side of the barrel but I could flex the stock so it cleared. the jerk selling it for$399 said that wouldn't hurt because it was only a rimfire. I told him I was buying one online for $299 shipped to piss him off. dick's has them on sale for $319 and ammo from time to time. HTH
I emailed Paul Smarrelli last evening asking for an update on the correction of the stock problem, here is the reply from Savage Arms.
Hello,
Thank you for contacting Savage Arms. We are closed for the Holidays starting 12/24/2013 and returning 1/6/2013. We will respond to messages when we return in the order in which they were received.
Happy Holidays!
Savage Arms
See this is part of the problem, their quality control is non existent. These folks don't even get their reopening date correct when then send out emails. If I were Paul Samarrelli the Director of Service I'd be directing some folks towards the unemployment line immediately. immediately.
So this is how Savage does business. B Mag returned to them on 12/12/13 and signed for by them on 12/13/13. This was for the stock problem that I have previously posted. Their Director of Service in one of his emails stated, "Please accept my apologies and understand that once we get this rifle back we will ensure it is handled quickly and professionally", he also stated that he had made their President and CEO Al Kasper aware of the situation. So here it is 12/24/13, they have had the weapon 11 days and now Savage is closed until the 6th of next year. I guess it takes a really long time for them to find a straight stock. So much for the handled quickly and professionally aspect of his email and I am not impressed with the alleged involvement of their CEO who also apparently could care less. They say that when a fish rots it begins at the head...
My rifle took a total of 5 weeks to be evaluated, replaced and shipped. Two weeks after Savage received it, I was notified I was getting a new rifle. It took another 3 weeks before I received it. During one of my follow up calls I was told the rifle had been ready for a week but could not ship because the shipping clerk was out sick !
I raised a bit of a stink with a Savage CS rep and requested a manager, she had it over-nited to me.
That was great, but the rifle wasn't much better accuracy wise.
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Originally Posted by 0153
I shipped mine back on the 19th of nov. and recieved it back on the 19th of dec. Considering i'm not the only guy on the planet and it was during a pretty hectic time of year, i thought that was pretty reasonable when all i talked to was a girl! ;)
Here's and idea for Savage to consider. The stock is plastic so remold it and put in a aluminum V block and then send all of us the new one. I understand about cost and all but right now all these problems a going to wreak the whole concept. DO SOMETHING !!! :director:
PS. MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU ALL :smile-new:
Not much improvement but somewhat better than the first round. I will wait until I get some newer ammo and see if there is any improvement. If I was to bet on what the problem is at this point, I would say it's ammo related.Quote:
Originally Posted by gsperaz
After further testing and consideration, i have been shooting and cleaning mine quite a bit since I got it back from savage(200rounds) and at the rate of improvement mine should be grouping pretty dam good by the time I hit 500 rounds, so I would say this barrel might have to be shot a bit before it performs to most shooters standards. http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums...ies/sthumb.gif
If boyds' doesn't have your number...get it to them because I hear that Thursday there will be great news about a B mag stock.
Great news! I just put one of their laminate stocks on my Axis, love it.
Hi all, just joined to give some input on my bmag. I have had two of these. I still have one that is a later production. I ordered 2 one each from different venders right after last years shot show. Got the first one in June I think. Yes, the stock is a joke. I have always loved savage but I think this might be the worst gun they have ever produced. the stock was not floated all the way and the gun just did not shoot well, I sold it. The one I have now I received in October or November. Same problems as the first. Stock was a joke. Still not floated and very cherp. I did not send mine back. I used a 1/2" socket wrapped with 80 grit then stepted up to 5/8" and floated it too never contact the berral. The gun did not shoot well. So I started a long break in process. one or two shots, copper solvent, brush and so on. This did help. The stock was driving me nuts and way to light go me. So pulled it apart again. Got bondo, resin, and chopped class. Filled/bedded the fourhand and mixed enough to fill the entire but stock. this helped a lot. Gave the gun some much needed rigiddy and weight. The gun with scope now weighs over eight pounds. overall it has helped in every way. Still breaking this gun in but getting better. It shot the 25 grain best prior to stock mods. Now shooting 20 grain best. It is shooting under one inch now. The ammo does need some fine tuning from winchester. More flyers than I think there should be. A Boyds stock will go on it asap. Gun has about 150-200 rounds through it. These are some things I've done and they have helped. hope it will help some of you frustrated Bmag owners. I know its more than frustrated me.
Phil
Finally got my B Mag back from Savage today. This is the second trip to Savage and this time they had it 25 days (it's been in their possession longer than in mine) Stock to bbl issue better but not perfect (guess I'll lower my expectations at this point) and they did put a new stock on the gun. Bbl was not free floating, does anyone there check these things? I guess I can answer that question, NO! I fixed it after a little sanding like Phil did on his. To range tomorrow to see how it does. Sorry Savage you missed the boat on this whole issue and this consumer has lost all respect for the company...
Problem solved !!
http://www.boydsgunstocks.com/subgrouping.htm?cat=6798
Just got an email from Boyds. (I see Shovelhead beat me to it.)
"NEW RELEASE: Savage® B-Mag
You have been flooding our request logs for a replacement stock for the Savage® B-Mag - it is now available from Boyds'!! Available in several of our popular designs such as the Featherweight Thumbhole, Classic, Prairie Hunter, Rimfire Hunter, & TactiCool!"
Took the returned B Mag to the range today, cannot complain about the accuracy. At 100 yds it placed the 20 grain bullets in a good tight pattern even with a swirling wind. I had managed to find a couple of boxes of25 grain bullets, the group wasn't as tight and all were to the right of center and because of the cold (13 degrees) I didn't fiddle with the scope to correct it. I also ordered a stock from Boyd's today as Savage seems unable to correct the alignment issue.:p
Glad it's shooting better for you, I know I was frustrated until I got mine back and there was an improvement.
I it bought a bmag last week and the only thing I had to do to it to fix the barrel touching the left side of the forearm was to loosen the 2 action screws and pull the forearm all the way to the right and re tighten the action screws.
We're getting 1 moa with the 20 gr HV rounds
Oh and a boyds stock will be ordered ASAP!
Does Boyd's make a stock for the 17 bmag?
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