Looking for .5 at 100 yards with a Stevens 200 .243 using IMR4350 or H4831, CCI 200s and Sierra HPBT 85s. 42 grns of IMR 4350 in Win brass is shooting .75. Any ideas welcome, Matt.
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Looking for .5 at 100 yards with a Stevens 200 .243 using IMR4350 or H4831, CCI 200s and Sierra HPBT 85s. 42 grns of IMR 4350 in Win brass is shooting .75. Any ideas welcome, Matt.
...Without seeing your target it would be hard to judge.. :)
Tough question: First I would back down on the powder charge, maybe starting at 39.8 and working up in .3gr increments! Sometimes I have hit it on the money, sometimes it took 15 loads before I hit my mark. Second, maybe try WLR primers, Third, just work on it, your close. Are you on the lands, off .010, in .010? I would start with the powder, when I found a load I liked, then I tried different land settings.
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The above pictures is with CCI primers, .010 off the lands, 5 shots, Nossler Ballastic Tips
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On the Sierra Match King 107's first pic is .010 in the lands, middle pic is on the lands, third on .010 off the lands. All are charged the same, 39.5 imr4350, just shows how a few 1/1000 on the lands makes a difference.
All I can do for you and your question. My 243 will shot 55gr, 70gr, 85gr, 90's and SMK107's less than .300 on almost any Sunday, I also have a 308 that will shot 110's the same as 210's with everything else inbetween also!!!!
PS: Different loads before I got to the above, check the difference between 39.0, 40.0 and 41.0 grains and what it does to a group!
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Targets were nothing to brag about. Going to load the fired brass hope to get better groups. Will try to post pics of the new groups.
...I'ld bump it my self...lol..If you wanna talk no's.. :o..H4350 42.7grs CCI's & Nosler 90gr BT's .015 off the lands for five.. ;)..
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NOT Bragging, just making a point, re-read the comments that goes with the pictures. I just posted a few 243 targest, but I DO have better ones!!!!!! You asked about loads, just showing the difference with a few grains of powder and a few 1/1000 depth will make which should solve your concern. Perfection don't happen overnight!Quote:
Targets were nothing to brag about.
THANKS for the backup!!!!! I probably will try this load myself!!!!!!Quote:
...I'ld bump it my self...lol..If you wanna talk no's.. ..H4350 42.7grs CCI's & Nosler 90gr BT's .015 off the lands for five.. ..
Dennis, I might be wrong, but i think the op was talking about 'his' targets were nothing to brag about and was not referring to yours (which are quite good and have great info, I might add).
1shot, could you post one once in while where you pull one just a little - lol...
...Mikey I did...lol..You see how she drifted out at 3 o'clock...Shooter error... ;)..Dennis, nothing personal on your targets but he was talking about 85gr Sie's with IMR4350..90's with H4350 are within stiking distance...I'm surprized you used 1gr jumps on those 70's for load work...I have a Varget load for yotes with 70's but she's on the warm side so I won't mention the grs...Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeCTX
MY deepest appoligies, I like everyone else take great pride on perfecting loads!Quote:
Dennis, I might be wrong, but i think the op was talking about 'his' targets were nothing to brag about and was not referring to yours
I started there and just lucked up on the 70gr load with 40gr of Varget. I have actually shot a .197 five shot group with that load! I usually start from .3 to .5 and narrow it down from there. If there is a better way, PLEASE share the process with us. And remember I mentioned it took about 15 loads on one of my 308's before I got it! Just worked my way to it!Quote:
I'm surprized you used 1gr jumps on those 70's for load work
I know what you are talking about on HOT loads, one person gave me a load and swore by it, but it was pushing the primers out on my gun! Good thing I didn't load too many up. The bullet puller came in handy!
I have learned the most from the site, and I frequent most others! I love to learn and also share information when I can.
Again, I am sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings!
I love my 243, but shoot my 308 the most! I am building a 6.5x47L and can't wait to get it! Hopefully just a few more weeks!
How many yards is this load good for? It also seems Nosslers and Sierra's like it .015 off the lands. All my Berger loads get it on the lands!Quote:
...I'ld bump it my self...lol..If you wanna talk no's.. ..H4350 42.7grs CCI's & Nosler 90gr BT's .015 off the lands for five.. ..
I do understand, only been reloading for a year this coming April, and have really learned a lot from the good folks here - like yourself, 1shot (even if he does drive me crazy with those 1 hole targets - ;D) and many others.
Thanks for the great replies.
Sorry for the confusion but yes I meant that MY targets were nothing to brag about, the ones posted were very impressive.
Was going to try bumping the IMR4350 load to 43, which is the suggested load. I always start light.
I also have som H4831, should I look into working up some loads with it?
Try 5 set on the lands, and 5 set .010 off the lands, makes a difference for me!
Setting into the lands sometime create too much pressure, so I am not going to recommend this route.
FWIW, I seem to get the best groups from my T\C ProHunter .243 barrel with Nosler BT's and H-414.
You may want to give it a try. Back down from the max a few grains. You'll know right away if it's a keeper of a load, and to work up to max.....or if you just bought H-414 to sit on your shelf to collect dust.
Dave
Not to pee on your Wheaties, but not every factory barrel is capable of shooting .5 groups. Savage probably has a higher percentage that do vs other manufacturers, but it is still a crap shoot.
If all factory barrels were capable of that kind of accuracy, the custom barrel makers would have a lot less business. Even the custom guys are not going to guarantee .5 moa.
So Bret.....are you saying to just give up and not try any other powder\bullet combo's?
Rereading my post from yesturday, I was a little gruff, sorry. Of course keep trying and you may find the accuracy that you are hoping for. The point I was trying to make is that even if .75 is the best that you can get out of the rifle, thats still pretty darn good for a factory sporter barrel.
Again, Mattri, I am sorry for the gruff statement.
i am shooting 85 grn sierra hpbt's loaded with br-2 primers
37.8 grns of varget
win brass
oal 2.610"
shot this weekend in between coyote hunting and shot four shots making one hole easily covered by a dime i would post pics but dont know how,
and all i have done is lighten up the trigger some
Set up a Photobucket account, it's the easiest and fastest to post pic's here! Just select the "insert Photo" tab above and it here.Quote:
i would post pics but dont know how,
I know you want to shoot the 4350 powder but I was just messing with a powder in my 243 this weekend and found that reloder 17 works really well better than 4350 and reloder 19 in my gun. Another thing that is overlooked on alot of reloading is try a differnt primer after you get a group closed up as much as possible. I was shooting 43.5 grains of r17 cci 200 primers and 80 gr ttsx barnes. The reason i said try r17 is there is hardly any deviation between loads the most i saw on my load was 13 fps after barrel was warm
Any thoughts on the distance?Quote:
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...I'ld bump it my self...lol..If you wanna talk no's.. ..H4350 42.7grs CCI's & Nosler 90gr BT's .015 off the lands for five.. ..
How many yards is this load good for? It also seems Nosslers and Sierra's like it .015 off the lands. All my Berger loads get it on the lands!
...It's a deer load so I've never stretched it out....My hunting ground is pretty wooded so most of my shots are 100yds or less...
Sierra Gameking 85gr. BTHP, Winchester brass, 45.0 H4350, CCI200, 2.75"OAL, 3400fps. in a Remington VFII 26". Under 1/2MOA out to 500yds. consistently.
WOWQuote:
Sierra Gameking 85gr. BTHP, Winchester brass, 45.0 H4350, CCI200, 2.75"OAL, 3400fps. in a Remington VFII 26". Under 1/2MOA out to 500yds. consistently.
I did some load development in my buddies savage predator hunter 243 win,,,I'm not sure if it's the same rate of twist in your barrel,,I think the predator hunter is 1-9.25,,,the load
hornady 75 gr h.p.
43.7gr IMR 4831
win lrp
win brass
.002 -.003 off the lands
I'm no expert and don't claim to be, but never give up on your hand loads, IMO with hand loads you CAN get moa in a factory Savage if you can do your part ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by davemuzz
He is already getting .75 MOAQuote:
I'm no expert and don't claim to be, but never give up on your hand loads, IMO with hand loads you CAN get moa in a factory Savage if you can do your part
The point that I was trying to make before (admittedly not well) was that Mattri has a Stevens 200. Yes most are very accurate and some are exceptionally accurate. But, you have to accept the fact that it is a light weight sport rifle with a flimsy stock and a very average trigger. They are a great little rifle, but not a target rifle.
I think that the internet gun rooms have spawned a mentality that if a gun won't "shoot 1/2" all day long" it isn't worth keeping. A sporter that groups .75 is a great rifle, but Mattri is getting discouraged because it won't do .5
With a target stock, aftermarket trigger and barrel that .5 group or less is a reasonable expectation, provided your skills are up to the challenge. Also many of the Savage varmint/target models will achieve his goals.
I think we also do a disservice to the beginning shooter/reloader when we give exact loads.
45.3 gr. of HXXX with a 90 gr. XXX bullet
Sure, as experienced loaders, we know to load a range of powder weights that encompass the "magic" weight and find the right load for our rifle. The beginner, however, may just load that particular loads and if it doesn't shoot well, he is off to another powder/bullet combo, when his load may have been only 1/2 gr. away.
Mattri, you have a great little rifle there and if you enjoy looking for the perfect load, by all means, continue looking. Just remember that perfection is unattainable (no one has ever shot a .000 group) and that there are many more .5 groups are shot online than at the range.
End of rant and I appologize to anyone that I might have offended with this or my previous posts.
Thanks for all of the replies. Went to the range yesterday with two loads.
41 grns IMR 4350 75 grn Hornady V-Max shot .75 with my buddy getting one .6 something.
41grns IMR 4350 85 grn Sierra HPBT shot lots of .75 but best of the day was .428, I have a pic but no photobucket acct, is there another way to post images?
Matt, if it was me from here I'd play with seating depth, you WILL see a difference and more then likely a good one. After that work on that trigger. Have fun.
Along with continuing loading and experimenting with loads to come up with the one
your rifle likes best, a good stock bedding job may very likely help. Never heard of a
properly done bedding job hindering accuracy, but has helped many a rifle in the
accuracy department.
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Here's my target from the range the other day. Thanks for the replies and suggestions.
...When are you going to bump it.. ???
It certainly looks like it's coming around matt, keep it up.
1shot- going to bump the powder charge next time out. Now that I can post pics will show the results.
It looks like you have the basic load, now it's time for the fine tuning, seating depth, small incremental charge weight adjustments etc. Make sure you only change one thing at a time so you will know what works and what doesn't. If you don't already have one a chronograph is a really great accuracy tool IMHO, you can see what every round is doing when you fire it. I think you are shooting great groups buy the way, I know there is a lot of talk about rifles that "shoot 1/2" all day long" and there are some that will but in my nearly 40 years of reloading and serious shooting any sporter weight rifle that will do it is a rare bird indeed.
Bob
Ordered a SSS trigger, going to bump the load and see where we're at.
Remind's me of when I was young, alway's trying to get that extra HHUMMRUMPH ::)Quote:
Originally Posted by mattri
possum1- Probably true for a lot of us back in the day:) Just taking what seems like the next logical step in load development, tried dropping the charge, now I'll try bumping it.
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First pic is at 100, 2nd is at 225.
...Getting closer..lol.. ;)...Now bump it alittle more.. 8)
I am still fine tuning my 243 . . . . Top picture is 4 shots, bottom picture are 5 shot groups
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