Axis .223 custom stock idea.

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09-24-2012, 04:12 PM
Elteyr

Axis .223 custom stock idea.

:frusty: Ok. So as we all know, the axis is fantastically accurate. and overall a good weapon. HOWEVER the stocks are..... well crap. and its not a matter of if. but when, they are going to fail.

well, I ordered this stock: http://www.rifle-stocks.com/tactical.htm , and they said the only issue with fitting the axis to the stock would be the floor plate. now I don't plan on using the same magazine anyhow.

:biggrin-new:Now the question I have for the forum is:
I would like to use a AR-15 style mag catch so that I could use 20rnd AR-15 Magazines... thoughts?
09-24-2012, 04:30 PM
RSG

I did not take any pics (sorry) but I did use a Ruger mini-15 20 round mag in a stock. I made the latch somethat the same as the detachable mag trigger guard in midway catalog. The mag only mod was to remove the rised slide hold latch on the mag follower. Hope this will help.
RSG
09-24-2012, 04:54 PM
Elteyr

That sounds very intriguing! do you mind posting a few pics of the mod? I'd love to see what you did.

:)
09-24-2012, 07:44 PM
bobfortier

What is your plan regarding the recoil lug ? Is this stock inletted or not ?
09-24-2012, 07:48 PM
fla9-40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elteyr

:frusty: Ok. So as we all know, the axis is fantastically accurate. and overall a good weapon. HOWEVER the stocks are..... well crap. and its not a matter of if. but when, they are going to fail.

well, I ordered this stock: http://www.rifle-stocks.com/tactical.htm , and they said the only issue with fitting the axis to the stock would be the floor plate. now I don't plan on using the same magazine anyhow.

I'm in the same boat as you, I just want a better stock and do not care about the mag...I plan on single feeding it anyway.

Please let me know when you get it and didl it actually fit an AXIS!

Also did you call and ask if it would fit, or email? Either way can I have your contact person?

Thanks!
09-24-2012, 09:43 PM
Elteyr

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobfortier

What is your plan regarding the recoil lug ? Is this stock inletted or not ?

The only thing that the stocks are fit for are the barrels. all the other wood work, I would have to do myself.
09-24-2012, 09:43 PM
Admin

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elteyr

:frusty: Ok. So as we all know, the axis is fantastically accurate. and overall a good weapon. HOWEVER the stocks are..... well crap. and its not a matter of if. but when, they are going to fail.

well, I ordered this stock: http://www.rifle-stocks.com/tactical.htm , and they said the only issue with fitting the axis to the stock would be the floor plate. now I don't plan on using the same magazine anyhow.

:biggrin-new:Now the question I have for the forum is:
I would like to use a AR-15 style mag catch so that I could use 20rnd AR-15 Magazines... thoughts?

Boy are you in for a few surprises when that stock shows up. :pop2:
09-24-2012, 09:45 PM
Elteyr

Quote:

Originally Posted by fla9-40

I'm in the same boat as you, I just want a better stock and do not care about the mag...I plan on single feeding it anyway.
Please let me know when you get it and didl it actually fit an AXIS!
Also did you call and ask if it would fit, or email? Either way can I have your contact person?
Thanks!

I did email them, and they said that the only issue would be the floor plate. sense I don't need one, because i'm going to mod it to use an AR-15 mag system, that is a non-issue. Otherwise it should fit! it may need some sanding, and it will need wholes cut for the trigger (and magazine for mine). But the great thing about a wooden stock, is that you can customize it to fit!

As far as my contact info, I'll tell ya what... When I get it in, i'll post some pictures of the work in progress and then the final product. If you're still interested, then you can PM me and I'll send you my info. :D
09-25-2012, 01:52 AM
sharpshooter

Floorplate????? Didn't know the Axis had a floorplate.
09-25-2012, 04:54 AM
Elteyr

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Originally Posted by sharpshooter

Floorplate????? Didn't know the Axis had a floorplate.

according to the research that i've done, technically your right.... and wrong. the axis has whats called a drop-box magazine, which traditionally uses, that type of floorplate, but! it also has a synthetic stock, which means that they "floorplate" isn't an actual plate, but is built right in to the stock itself.
09-25-2012, 05:34 AM
fgw_in_fla

I had to take a couple Tylenol after reading that....

I'm not one for telling another what to do , let alone how to do it but....

Take a closer look at how you plan on fitting up this new stock you're buying.

Just 5c worth of free advice from your 'ol uncle frank....
09-25-2012, 05:29 PM
Elteyr

Quote:

Originally Posted by fgw_in_fla

I had to take a couple Tylenol after reading that....
I'm not one for telling another what to do , let alone how to do it but....
Take a closer look at how you plan on fitting up this new stock you're buying.
Just 5c worth of free advice from your 'ol uncle frank....

I am not quite understanding what your talking about. I don't mind you giving me a few pointers, anything that could help would be great!
09-25-2012, 05:34 PM
Elteyr

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Originally Posted by Admin

Boy are you in for a few surprises when that stock shows up. :pop2:

Ok... i'm in for a few surpises..... such as? I posted this so that I could get some help with this, so that I could tackle this project with some knowledge. I know I don't know everything, and I am open to suggestions. I know this stock will not be a simple "plug and play", that it will take alot of work. But! I believe it can be done.

So! that being said, if you know something, that I don't, would you mind sharing? So that I don't waste my money? or so that I can troubleshoot the issue and find solutions? I thought thats what group thinking was all about?
09-25-2012, 06:52 PM
RSG

OK I will play nice,
I will start with the ar15 mag. The mag needs a side type latch. I would go for a mag like on the m1a/m14, mini-14 it has a the block in the back that you can use with a lever and a tight fit made in the stock.
The stock, well I have seen RMF stock and not so happy people. Look at or search the forum. I would not start a stock made backwards again. It is a pain to inlet the stock with the outside all round and angles to try to clamp and hold to. I start my stocks by inletting the action start, square sides and bottom is your friend.
You will need a trigger guard too. The RMF will not come with it. If you are going to make it add the latch for the mag (back to the mini-14 mag)
The people here are helpful, but have seen this before.
RSG
09-25-2012, 07:46 PM
fla9-40

WOW first off like the new look of the forum!!!!:cool:

Elteyr if you need a Mini-14 mag, I have one you can borrow to see if it is what you need.... Just let me know
09-25-2012, 07:47 PM
Gmac5

FIRST ,GET SOME GOOD CARVING TOOLS ,CHISELS , AS MANY DIF SHAPES AS YOU CAN AFFORD. LEARN HOW TO SHARPEN THEM. SHARP PENCILS TOO, LAY ORIGINAL STOCK NEXT TO NEW WOOD , TRY TO MARK OUTLINE OF ORIG INLETTING. MAKING A CARDBOARD CUTOUT AND FITTING TO ORIG STOCKAS YOU GO . MAKE MANY MEASUREMENTS.the action screws and trigger in relation to the pistol grip area areof MAJOR IMPORTANCE to proper fit.this is just a little bit of what youre in for. GLAD TO SEE your willing to tackle it.
IF YOUR THOUGHT WAS TO USE A ROTARY TOOL , TRY A ROUTER TABLE FIRST AND ONLY FOR THE BARREL CHANNEL. YOUR STARTING OUT WITH A DISADVANTAGE BY USING A SHAPED STOCK ,HAVING FLAT SQUARE SURFACES DOES MAKE IT A LOT EASIER . GOOD LUCK ,GET PLENTY OF BAND AIDS
GARY
09-25-2012, 08:45 PM
Elteyr

Quote:

Originally Posted by RSG

OK I will play nice,
I will start with the ar15 mag. The mag needs a side type latch. I would go for a mag like on the m1a/m14, mini-14 it has a the block in the back that you can use with a lever and a tight fit made in the stock.
The stock, well I have seen RMF stock and not so happy people. Look at or search the forum. I would not start a stock made backwards again. It is a pain to inlet the stock with the outside all round and angles to try to clamp and hold to. I start my stocks by inletting the action start, square sides and bottom is your friend.
You will need a trigger guard too. The RMF will not come with it. If you are going to make it add the latch for the mag (back to the mini-14 mag)
The people here are helpful, but have seen this before.
RSG

Thank you for your input! its given me alot to think about! I've not considered a mini 14 mag.... that seems a lot easier to me. Thanks!
09-25-2012, 08:54 PM
Elteyr

Quote:

Originally Posted by fla9-40

WOW first off like the new look of the forum!!!!:cool:

Elteyr if you need a Mini-14 mag, I have one you can borrow to see if it is what you need.... Just let me know

I would love to borrow a mini-14 mag! thank you I will pm you!
09-25-2012, 08:56 PM
Elteyr

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gmac5

FIRST ,GET SOME GOOD CARVING TOOLS ,CHISELS , AS MANY DIF SHAPES AS YOU CAN AFFORD. LEARN HOW TO SHARPEN THEM. SHARP PENCILS TOO, LAY ORIGINAL STOCK NEXT TO NEW WOOD , TRY TO MARK OUTLINE OF ORIG INLETTING. MAKING A CARDBOARD CUTOUT AND FITTING TO ORIG STOCKAS YOU GO . MAKE MANY MEASUREMENTS.the action screws and trigger in relation to the pistol grip area areof MAJOR IMPORTANCE to proper fit.this is just a little bit of what youre in for. GLAD TO SEE your willing to tackle it.
IF YOUR THOUGHT WAS TO USE A ROTARY TOOL , TRY A ROUTER TABLE FIRST AND ONLY FOR THE BARREL CHANNEL. YOUR STARTING OUT WITH A DISADVANTAGE BY USING A SHAPED STOCK ,HAVING FLAT SQUARE SURFACES DOES MAKE IT A LOT EASIER . GOOD LUCK ,GET PLENTY OF BAND AIDS
GARY

After reading this, I could definitely see where in lies the issues starting off with a pre-made stock. Thank you for your input! and band aides are a definite must.
09-26-2012, 02:07 AM
Admin

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elteyr

Ok... i'm in for a few surpises..... such as? I posted this so that I could get some help with this, so that I could tackle this project with some knowledge. I know I don't know everything, and I am open to suggestions. I know this stock will not be a simple "plug and play", that it will take alot of work. But! I believe it can be done.

So! that being said, if you know something, that I don't, would you mind sharing? So that I don't waste my money? or so that I can troubleshoot the issue and find solutions? I thought thats what group thinking was all about?

For starters, the Richard's "Drunken Beaver" stocks are pretty much garbage IMO. You'll wait 6-8-10 months to get it, the exterior surfaces will be rougher than a cob with tons of excess material that needs sanded/ground off, the inletting will need to be opened up to properly fit your barreled action, and well...they're just junk.

Also, as I pointed out in the other post the Savage bolt head and AR magazine are not compatible...period. However, as a few others have noted a M1a/M14 or Mini-14 magazine is doable and has been done more than a few times on the 10/110 rifles.
09-26-2012, 03:09 AM
Elteyr

Quote:

Originally Posted by Admin

For starters, the Richard's "Drunken Beaver" stocks are pretty much garbage IMO. You'll wait 6-8-10 months to get it, the exterior surfaces will be rougher than a cob with tons of excess material that needs sanded/ground off, the inletting will need to be opened up to properly fit your barreled action, and well...they're just junk.

Also, as I pointed out in the other post the Savage bolt head and AR magazine are not compatible...period. However, as a few others have noted a M1a/M14 or Mini-14 magazine is doable and has been done more than a few times on the 10/110 rifles.

Hey thanks man! I've not heard that about those stocks... hmmmm.... and m14 mag sounds like the way to go. Looks like I'm going to need to make my own stock from scratch. Hmmmm... I guess it may take longer but I think I'll be happier with the end result. Thanks for the heads up before I finalized the order to that guy.

As for the AR-15 mag, I thought it would have been compatible however I'll take your word for it that its not, i'm not married to the idea.

Thanks for your input! Time to go look online for a place to buy some walnut!
10-10-2012, 06:18 PM
Elteyr

I got my Walnut in the mail the today! AND!!!! I got in the borrowed m14 mag. Now to get to work! I'll post pics when I can!
10-11-2012, 09:18 AM
fla9-40

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Originally Posted by Elteyr

I got my Walnut in the mail the today! AND!!!! I got in the borrowed m14 mag. Now to get to work! I'll post pics when I can!

Hurry up with the pic's... can't wait to see how it worked out for ya! ;)
10-11-2012, 02:00 PM
Gmac5

Which stock ? The unshaped blank from boyds or other , just curious , Ill be doing a how to on stocks ,from 4 x8 birch ply from home depot as soon as my video savy friend Paul , and i could get some time. Good luck and measure twice .
Gary
10-20-2012, 11:18 PM
fla9-40

Hey Elteyr, how did this work out for ya?
03-15-2013, 09:13 PM
mdewitt71

I take it didn't work out??????
03-26-2013, 11:04 AM
stingray

Just picked up on this post while surfing the forum. I ordered a blank thumbhole stock (no inletting done) from Boyd's to work up a stock for my Axis .223 early last Fall. After receiving the stock, and admitting to myself I may have bit off more than I was capable of handling, I lined up what I called primitive inletting tools (mallet, chisels, deep well 3/8" drive sockets for barrel inlet, and various grades of sandpaper) I proceeded to work on my stock. After working on the stock for about a month a friend loaned me a rotary tool he uses for wood carving. A must for the project. I have gotten close to a good fit, but still needs some a lot of work. I feel for my skill level, and the level of tools I have, so far things look pretty good. I will forget inletting for a magazine well. Shooting single shot is no problem. Winter set in, and the basement got too cold to work in for any length of time. Besides, I needed a break from the project. Will continue in the Spring which seems to be coming late here in Western NC.

Bottom line is that I would not attempt this again without better tools and some guidance. The cuts and angles of the Axis action present a challenge that are not encountered with other actions, and make it difficult to inlet. It would be great if there was some published info with templates to aid with inletting.

Good luck on your project.