Has anyone ever made a Ti Clone of a Savage Action? Is there even a market for this? Seems like a great way towards building a really light rifle...I know there are dozens of 700 clones out there...just wondering...
Capt Beach
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Has anyone ever made a Ti Clone of a Savage Action? Is there even a market for this? Seems like a great way towards building a really light rifle...I know there are dozens of 700 clones out there...just wondering...
Capt Beach
Way to costly,the rem clone is 1600-1800.00.
No market for it at a price point competitors would pay for (as well as other metalurgy issues that would need to address and drive up the cost).
So there are light weight actions speciffically for the light weight (I think 11 # and under) class rifles. I believe these are aluminum alloy recievers. Still pricey - but not so much as a Ti would be.
YES...for Remington cloned actions...I find NONE for Savage...Quote:
Originally Posted by jhelmuth
Hmmm.... why would it be important for a Savage clone? My guess is that if you really "needed" such a thing, it wouldn't really matter other than you already have a stock for it and don't wish to change that. I'm sure it kinda hurts to not be as popular as the Remington 700, BAT, etc. actions - but such is the lot in life for Savage. Myself, I'd just make it work the best way I could. I don't see the future holding Savage actions out to be highly desireable (at least not enough to make a lightweight clone) - but maybe that is a market you could go after?
Just thinking out of the box...M700 clones take the 700 series to an distinctly higher level of accuracy and precision...I'm sure the same could be done to a Savage Action...not necessarily in the titanium realm but maybe in SS...think of it...being able to buy an assembled timed and trued action and barrel nut trued as well to build on...
How light are you trying to get? Savage already makes a 5.5 lb. rifle.
Whats a TI clone?
Ti = Titanium
OK now titanium what? action?Quote:
Originally Posted by jhelmuth
You guessed it... (I believe that was in the title of the thread)
Yeah, with a 20" barrel, a swiss cheesed action and a swiss cheesed LAMINATE stock!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamie
Not remotely my vision of a desirable lightweight rifle.
I think a Ti Savage action would be a very cool thing.
Add a McMillan EDGE, a 24" #1 contour SS Benchmark barrel, a Leupold VX-2 Ultralight in Talley LW's and you'd have a LA which comes in at comfortably under 7# all up.
Now that is a LW vision I could love.
Well to start, I dont know of any action made from tititanium. To add there is no savage clones made that I know of. (I would just love to have a savage clone, I have talked to a gunsmith about making a clone, but he is so bussy I dont think it will happen any time soon.) What is wrong with a Panda? I would be suprised if you could ever notice a bit of diference in weight from a Aluminum action, and one made from Tititanium. With a Panda at $1300 I would hate to see what the cost of a Tititium action would be, my guess would be over 2k.
Shilen makes a Savage/Remington frankinstien action that is about as close to a Savage clone as I've seen. It has a barrel nut and a floating bolt head like a Savage, but the rest of the bolt, the action screw spacing, trigger, and bottom metal all look to be Remington copies. Having written all of that it seems more Remy than Savage, and it's not Al or Ti so I'm not sure what it even has to do with this thread. I've already typed it so I'm posting it anyway.
http://www.shilen.com/productsCompleteRifles.html
There are several Ti actions out there. The Rem 700 mentioned, the Browning Ti, and there's even a Ti Mauser action out there but the name escapes me right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by 82boy
The big difference between aluminum and titanium is that a Ti action can be made slim and trim due to the strength of Ti. You need a lot of aluminum to get acceptable strength.
Ok, I never seen anyone shooting one, but it does have me currious. I see Remington makes one, and so does Browning, neither shows what the weight of the action by its self is.
I only found one custom action maker that makes a custom tititanium action, and that is X-treme shooting. (Made in Cincinnati Oh.)I tried to contact them to find out information such a price, and there was a message that he was out for knee surjury, and not to leave a message, but e-mail him, so I did. They list the reciever weight (No bolt) at 9.24oz, it is basicly the same dimentions as a standard Remington 700. looks to use a standard steel bolt. A Panda weighs in at 30 OZ (with Bolt) and a Kodiak weighs in at 29 oz (With bolt.) A sprial fluted bolt (Out of a Panda) weighs in at .62 LBS. wich converts out to 9.92 OZ, making a Panda weigh in at 20.08 OZ. WOW, I guess there is a seroius weight reduction from Tititanium! Dang it guys, now I am going to have to buy one if I can get it in a right bolt dual port or left port.
http://www.x-tremeshooting.com/index...e=X-Treme%20Ti
Handguns are made and sold bydifferent makers but on a mass produced basis. The low sales of titanium recievers means they cant make use of the processes used by mass gun makers that keeps cost down. And machining titanium is a bear and has been since its use in manufacture of anything. That is why the high cost of titanium recievers or at least a part of the cost.
Wl Lobo
I understand that Remington farmed out the machining of their Ti actions rather than tooling up and learning up on how to machine Ti.
Ti is very stringy and sticky and it is difficult to machine.
The weight savings are impressive though.
Ti has the highest strength to weight ratio of any metal and in some alloys it can be as strong as steel but 45% lighter.
Definitely a very cool material but I just don't see anyone making a Savage clone from Ti any time soon. A 700 clone surely but not a 110 clone.
IIRC the Ti Mauser action was somewhere around 4500$!!!
I cant rember the name of the company (I believe it is an individual actually) but they are from South Dakota.
The Ti Mauser I'm talking about is from Stuart Satterlee and it costs $6500 for the complete action!
http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/a...titanium_1.jpg
http://www.satterleearms.com/intermediate.htm
Not sure it matters, I was asking the original author a question, but since you answered......Quote:
Originally Posted by nsaqam
I have no idea of what YOUR vision of a "desirable lightweight rifle" is, but after shooting the Savage version in .260 Rem at under 6 lbs and still producing 1/2" groups @100 yards, that is exactly what MY vision of of a light weight rifle should be.
Here is the responce I got from extreme shooting.
No benchresters that I know of. Most are sold to high end hunting rifle builders.
Retail price listed below. All receivers are complete ready for a barrel. The titanium is hard anodized, the bolt has a nickel alloy plating and a coat of ceracoat. Receivers come with a titanium recoil lug and a titanium rail.
short action - $1,450
long action - $1,525
.338 - $2050
Very very good pricing on those actions!
I'm impressed.
Apparently accuracy is your sole criteria for a desirable LW rifle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamie
I require much more than merely accuracy.
My favorite LW rifle sports a 22" barrel, a quality fiberglass/Kevlar stock, no crud holding flutes or mill cuts, has superb balance, has a claw extractor CRF system, and weighs under 6.5# scoped and loaded full.
You have your vision and I have mine.
That would be the action I was thinking of. 6500$ is insane!
The folks who buy the Satterlee Ti Mauser aren't likely to screw on an A&B barrel and slap it in a Choate!
Pretty amazing to me that there seems to be a market for $6500 actions.
You need to check out the prices D'arcy Echols gets for his fine rifles. $32,000 minimum!
Good for the people selling them though and good for the people fortunate enough to be able to afford buying them.
http://www.echolsrifles.com/pdf/Clas...e_Brochure.pdf
I guess one could order a 11 LW in 308 at 5.5lbs, and add a Jense Precision ABS Carbon Wrapped Barrel and still be under the $$$ of a Ti action...if weight AND accuracy were the goal...
Capt Beach
Ya know if those three people hadnt stole my half billion lotto winnings with fake tickets I think I woulda bought a few of those $35K rifles just to see how cool they really are.
still young enough that 10lbs doesnt bother me.
Larry
My winning ticket was stolen too!
What a coincidence.
I didn't mind carrying 10# rifles at all until I carried a 6.5# rifle for a season.
It was nothing less than stunning the difference it made.
I didn't mind carrying 10# rifles at all until I carried a 6.5# rifle for a season.
I guess I am the odball. I carry 10+ lb rifles all hunting season and always have. I have never been recoil sensative. Must be a genetic defect. Lightest rifle I ever carried was an M1 carbine that was so inaccurate you would have had better luck hitting a bull in the ass at 25 yds with a bull fiddle.
El Lobo
Try an accurate lightweight rifle for a season and see if you don't change your mind.
I certainly did.