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To brake or not to brake
Never saw much reason to brake anything 308 and under unless you were just trying to deafen your shooting buddies or wanted to keep the dust off the bench. Yesterday, while shooting a braked 260 at steel, it was great to be able to see the impact, even at 200 yds. With an un-braked 7-08, I can't get back on the target to see impact even at 500 yds. Makes shooting by yourself much more productive. Maybe you guys with braked 223's are on to something! My 400 and 500 yard steel is so heavy a 223 dosen't even wiggle them. I have to keep them painted and hope I am seeing bullet impact through the spotting scope. I do wear amplifying ear muffs and plugs and can hear the steel ring at over 300 yards.
Bill "too soon old, too late smart"
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My compensated 223 AR was a joy to watch the bullet splash on steel at 200 yrds.
Even w a compensated 22lr i could see the vapor trail when shooting at our 200 yrd gong.
Brian
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I believe certain calibers need it and for certain applications. Some folks have them put on for all the wrong reasons, thinking they look cool or intimating a certain look. It took me 3 to 6 months of research on a break having my long range rifle built. Looks aint a issue, functionality is my reason & application is. I ended up with the JP enterprise Recoil Eliminator. For me shoot'n Texas hogs or steel @ 800 yards plus and having a fast target acquisition for the follow-up shot is a must specially in mag cal's. For me it made a difference from a hard hitting 7mm Mag to less than a 25-06. I dont see what the big deal for muzzle blast from a breaked, ported, guns, I've been around non-breaked, non-ported guns that were just as deafening. When your shoot'n any how you should be wearing ears.
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My turkey gun is extended ported, both barrels, my reason for this is quick follow-up shots if need, limit barrel rise & recoil. When I'm in the turkey wood and I need that fast follow-up shot do to MY error or I'm hunting in a state were you can tag 2 birds in the same day & have the choice of doubling up in that hunt, their my other reason for this topic subject.
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Use a silencer/suppressor instead of a brake. It can increase your accuracy, reduce recoil and will suppress your muzzle blast. But it may not be legal to own or hunt with one in your state. But just for shooting fun it makes it more enjoyable.
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Originally Posted by hotbrass
Use a silencer/suppressor instead of a brake. It can increase your accuracy, reduce recoil and will suppress your muzzle blast. But it may not be legal to own or hunt with one in your state. But just for shooting fun it makes it more enjoyable.
this... or get this break for 45$
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break from
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubb...2676303&page=1
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Originally Posted by Ring31
Did you get this thing Nitrided/Painted or what?? If so how much did that run you.
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I have found that if you are shooting a higher caliber rifle that has some jumping after impact that a break really helps accuracy when shooting off a bipod. I am able to reduce the amount of jump I get therefore am able to stay consistent with my point of aim
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I'm going to have a break installed on my 7mm Rem mag that SSS is building for me. I wanted something that would reduce the recoil and allow for quick target acquisition at long range. I don't buy rifles for tacticool reasons.
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The brake pictured above is Ross Schuler's. Great product, Great price and you can't do better than doing business with Ross. I have three of his brakes. The wife's 270 win, The wife's 7mm and my 338 edge all of which can witness impact even at 100 yards when fired from a good position. My 13lb fully equipped 338 edge he chambered for me (from a 338 win) can witness 100 yard impact at 24x magnification when shooting from prone. That being said there are some advantages to unbraked rifles for hunting purposes. I personally would not brake the 338 win or smaller if it is primarily a hunting rifle but for strictly target use........... absolutely. This year was the first season hunting with my 338 edge and the walker game ear became a practical yet expensive solution to hearing protection in the field.
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I never saw the big deal about why people dont like brakes.... till I was developing a load for hunting this year, a few times at the range I was next to a guy with a brake, and let me tell you, it SUCKED.... Even with ear protection its ridiculously stupid loud.... I would have to watch them and wait till they shot, then I could shoot, becuase if I was lining up a shot and they shot, it made me jump and throw off my shot every time..... Not saying anything negative about brakes, just that they dont belonge at a crowded rifle range. My $0.02
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I'm with you dacaur. They don't belong on a range or in my mind on a hunt with more than just you. While I do like the idea of faster follow ups but if you make the first one count....
Some may like them for recoil reduction but I guess I'm a recoil junkie. 6.5lb 338wm is my moose gun. I also don't think my stepdads .375rum is that bad.
Seeing your hits is nice and is the only real purpose I see for one.
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Comparing apples and oranges! I agree if you are talking about a hunting rifle then no a break is not really needed, but if you are referring to a gun used strictly for competition then a break can be a valuable asset. Competition is all about precise accuracy and time where hunting is not.
Just my thoughts
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I do not belong on a crowded rifle range either! I love Idaho! For me personally....... Hunting IS when precision matters and there is more at stake than just paper. But then again I am not in the competitive game because I don't want to do the crowded rifle range (see previous sentence) Kind of a catch-22
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it's funny how some re-act to muzzle breaks. Most ranges have anywhere between dozen to 2 dozen shooting benches. I see any were between 1/2 the guns at ranges that are after-marketed breaked or came with factory breaks. It seems to me whether its a private range club or public range the complainers seem to park their butts next to the guns that are big bores or breaked guns when theirs other empty available benches threw out the rifle range.
I remember back in the late 80's I owned a Mc Millian 50 cal. heck-of-a-gun(wish I never sold it). I was the only guy at the range. A father & son came in and decided to set-up next to me. I suggested that they should move down a few bench do to the blast from the rifle. The father took my suggestion the wrong way and became aggressive in tone, fine I said. The son was admiring the rifle and the daddy was very curt & short. I called a seize fire (I was the only one) and the dad stapled his target @ 25 yards and pulled a speed-master .22 from the case. I spoke out live fire and made sure their ears were in and I touched off a round. Thats all it took, the muzzle blast knock off the dads ball cap and the son jaw dropped in total awe! The dad went to the range master office and complained about the rifle. The funny thing is..........and where my true story is getting the range master told the dad that I was in the legal limits of the range & law & that I had every right to be their. Thats their were several other benches available that if he didnt like the where they were at , just move. I found this out from Phillip the range master later on. Here's another kicker, the son kept coming to my bench asking me all about this rifle and how cool it was. The father eventually came and apologized for his rude behavior.
I hate the fact that some folks want to single out certain people from ranges do to the configuration of their firearms. If a gun is too loud I simply put in ear plugs in along wearing ear muffs. I'm not stating anyone on here.
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Originally Posted by D.ID
The brake pictured above is Ross Schuler's. Great product, Great price and you can't do better than doing business with Ross. I have three of his brakes. The wife's 270 win, The wife's 7mm and my 338 edge all of which can witness impact even at 100 yards when fired from a good position. My 13lb fully equipped 338 edge he chambered for me (from a 338 win) can witness 100 yard impact at 24x magnification when shooting from prone. That being said there are some advantages to unbraked rifles for hunting purposes. I personally would not brake the 338 win or smaller if it is primarily a hunting rifle but for strictly target use........... absolutely. This year was the first season hunting with my 338 edge and the walker game ear became a practical yet expensive solution to hearing protection in the field.
I got one of Ross's brake's on my 7mag and absolutely love it. I thought he only made them in stainless though?
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Seems like every other gun on our range now is a AR-15/AR-10/AR-25. Guess what sits on the end of the barrel on almost everyone of them? I dont hear any complaints.
We have one guy that shoots his S&W 500 frequently. Fortunately he doesnt shoot it but a dozen times or so. If he is near me, I just take a break, I know he will be done in less than 10 minutes.
I still like suppressors/silencers! ;D
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[quote=jsthntn247 ]
[quote=D.ID ]
The brake pictured above is Ross Schuler's. Great product, Great price and you can't do better than doing business with Ross. I have three of his brakes. The wife's 270 win, The wife's 7mm and my 338 edge all of which can witness impact even at 100 yards when fired from a good position. My 13lb fully equipped 338 edge he chambered for me (from a 338 win) can witness 100 yard impact at 24x magnification when shooting from prone. That being said there are some advantages to unbraked rifles for hunting purposes. I personally would not brake the 338 win or smaller if it is primarily a hunting rifle but for strictly target use........... absolutely. This year was the first season hunting with my 338 edge and the walker game ear became a practical yet expensive solution to hearing protection in the field.
I have six of his brakes (2 for .308's,two for 7mm Mgas, one for a 30-06, and one on a .300 win). He does great work, and the brakes are very effective
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Originally Posted by Ring31
Did you get this thing Nitrided/Painted or what?? If so how much did that run you.
nitrided.. it was 45 shipped as SS
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Originally Posted by hotbrass
Seems like every other gun on our range now is a AR-15/AR-10/AR-25. Guess what sits on the end of the barrel on almost everyone of them? I dont hear any complaints.
Most of those are just flash hiders, which dont affect the sound (or muzzle jump), and even when it is a brake, its still a .223 most of the time so no big deal.... Big difference between a braked .223 and a braked .270 win or .300 WM...
Also just want to make a note, I didn't say brakes dont belong on a rifle range, I said I believe (aka, my opinion) they dont belong on a CROWDED range, where I dont have the choice to go elsewhere.... Most of the year its not a big deal, as most people with brakes are nice guys and wont set up next to you, (and I quickly learned to look for brakes when looking for a place to set up) But during september/october the range was pretty well full every day so little choice of seats.
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Brakes, flash suppressors call it what you want, they all direct expanding gasses away from the muzzle and make the gun louder.
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No, There is actualy a big difference. A brake works by redirecting the gasses up/back/any way but forward, which redirects the sound as well. A flash hider will actualy make it a little quieter behind the muzzle, since it actualy directs the blast forward. You can tell the difference between a brake and flash hider by looking at them. If the hole at the front is about the same size as the bore, its a brake, basicaly, as the bullet travels through that hole at the end, the gasses are directed out the ports in the side's/top since the bullet is blocking the way forward, if the hole at the front is much bigger than the bore, its a flash hider, its obvious looking at it its not going to redirect the gasses.
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Yes I do know what the difference is. And yes, flash suppressors are louder to the shooter and bystanders than no flash suppressor and gas does exhaust through the cuts at supersonic speed.
I wonder why they changed the A1 flash suppressor with ports cut all around to a A2 flash suppressor with the gas ports only on the top and sides? If I recall it was to not only reduce the flash signature but also to compensate for muzzle rise.
Thank you!
I still prefer silencers! ;D
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I think the big advantage of the brake is being able to shoot multiple rounds instead of just a few. In my experience the brake is loud, but not what people make it out to be. My friend took her "ears" off while we were shooting, I didn't notice and fired my braked 300WM while she was sitting next to me. She said it was loud, but didn't have any ringing in her ears and was fine.
While at the range the other day, we were shooting the .260 and braked 300WM. There was one other shooter on the range shooting his 300WM. After seeing my female friend putting 20+ 300WM rounds downrange, he came over and was asking about the rifle's setup, telling us he wants to get a brake on his 300 because he could only shoot 12 rounds and had to take break because the recoil was too much. So a 105lb woman was able to put more rounds downrange than a ~180lb man all thanks to a well designed brake. Shooting next to the brake isn't a big deal either. Plus. seeing the rounds hit is a bonus.
Now on a hunting rifle, a brake is debatable, depending on the rifle's purpose, e.g. hog gun, varmint gun were a faster follow up shot may be needed because of multiple hogs, yotes etc. So I think the brake making the rifle intolerably "loud" is just hype, along with hurricane force muzzle blast; though it does depend on how well the brake is designed. It's not a jet engine after all.
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My wife got her first brake put on her 270 (a gentry Quiet brake) which really did not help with recoil much....... she opened up on a coyote in our first outing aside from range time and all three of us had ringing ears for half a day. Three of us hunt together all the time and prior to the addition of muzzle brakes we did not use hearing protection for the occasional shots used hunting but since two of us started using brakes all three have acknowledged it as a must. Going without is no longer a viable option. If you brake your rifle plan on NEEDING protection in the field. Concussion is not a problem for the shooter but if you are ten feet left or right of shooter you will really feel the shot.
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Originally Posted by hotbrass
I wonder why they changed the A1 flash suppressor with ports cut all around to a A2 flash suppressor with the gas ports only on the top and sides? If I recall it was to not only reduce the flash signature but also to compensate for muzzle rise.
Actualy the a2 has no ports on the bottom is so that it doesnt kick up dust when firing prone.... Yes some gasses do escape through the ports, but not enough to make a significant difference in muzzle rise, thats what brakes are for.... ::)
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I don't use brakes on anything where I don't need them to shoot comfortably. To me they are just one more variable. You add something to the barrel that can potentially hurt accuracy, or it can increase accuracy, or it could not do either one. You're basically adding something that affects gas flow similar to how the barrel crown influences gas flow, as well as introducing a weighted object to the barrel which changes the harmonics. It all depends on how straight the muzzle is threaded, how precisely the brake is made, and how the barrel responds to the added device. I prefer to just keep it simple and forego them for most uses.
On the other hand, I have no problems with brakes, flash hiders, or porting and will use them when I feel they are of enough benefit to introduce that variable to the shooting system. For rifles, pistols or shotguns that recoil heavily, I am often willing to go to porting or a brake for more comfortable shooting. For ARs, AKs, and similar weapons I may employ for self defense, a flash hider than helps reduce the blinding muzzle flash in low light means more to me than a potential accuracy loss.
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I'm ALL for breaks. I have one installed on my 300WM and is the only way to go. My girl friend's 12 year old daughter has shot this rifle and shot it well. This rifle is used for both long range target shooting and hunting, I have learned to wear ear plugs loosely in my ears and when its time to take a shot, I just push them in a little tighter. It has worked petty good for me this hunting season. I have also noticed when im wearing ear plugs and behind the rifle, Its like being in the zone and im more prone to make a great shot.
