Just received this email from Turners Outdoor
Apparently they have the Savage Stealth Creedmoor 6.5 in stock @ 1199.00 + tax
Nice competitor for the RPR
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Just received this email from Turners Outdoor
Apparently they have the Savage Stealth Creedmoor 6.5 in stock @ 1199.00 + tax
Nice competitor for the RPR
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I bet it shoots better than the RPR. I bought one earlier this year in .308 and it was printing 1.5-2 inch groups at 100. Got tired of having it sitting in the closet so I put a new Benchmark barrel on it. That's the only mod I've made. Otherwise stock. Now I can shoot quarter inch groups with it, probaby .5 in. average at 100 yds. Big improvement. I wouldn't be surprised if the Stealth shoots lights out with the factory barrel.
I wouldn't be surprised that the Savage shoots better but time will tell
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I think the RPR blows the Stealth out of the water in the looks department. I think they will outsell the Stealth at least 10:1. But I saw Richie Rich at the range with a RPR 6.5CM/Schmidt&Bender combo shooting 4" groups at 200 yards with Hornady 140 match ammo. I would have been disappointed but he seemed thrilled.
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4" groups at 200 yards than I might cry . . .
As a rookie shooter - still a rookie shooter - my Savage 12 LRP in Creedmoor 6.5 did 0.5 MOA
Gonna mount a new scope in the next weeks
So I will try a few factory rounds to see what the stock barrel likes best now :
Hornaday A-Max & ELD Match
Prime Ammo +
Winchester Match
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Just received this email from Grab a Gun
Even a better price $ 946.87
http://grabagun.com/savage-89.html
That's been my experience also watching other people shooting their RPRs at the range. Shotgun pattern groups at 100 but happy about it... WTF?? It is a cool looking rifle and I agree it beats the Stealth in the looks dept. by far, but I'd rather have an ugly looking tack driver than a really sharp looking rifle that doesn't shoot worth a ****. Not saying the Stealth is particularly ugly but it really doesn't look that great.
The RPR looks better but probably the Stealth will shoot better
Well let's wait and see . . .
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****, I wish I could do something like that but in NJ the adjustable stock is a Bozo NONO. It would have to be pinned and it can't have a flash hider, would have to be a compensator.
Halftrack
The Stealth solves one of the biggest criticisms I have over the 10ba: the weight. The only advantage I see in the RPR is the greater availability of magazines. These kind of rifles, IMO, are also engineered to solve 2 different kinds of problems for consumers. The RPR, since it is marketed as a competition style rifle, fulfills that role, and as others have said, looks nicer. The Stealth, on the other hand, is designed and marketed for law enforcement. The chasis for the Stealth is a minimalist chasis for the purpose of weight savings and cost savings. There are no extra frills about this chasis and the stock they chose to add excess weight hence, doesn't look as nice. I hope, in a few years, Savage will release the Stealth for us southpaws.
I would say don't look to either. I built my own, and recommend others do the same. This build looks better, and will out shoot either.
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Dave, which action did you start with? What chassis is that?
Don't care for it, I'd rather put it in a Mcree or XLR chassis with better butt stocks.
The action is from a standard model 10 short action w/ accutrigger. Yes, it is the MDT TAC21.
Yeah, that's the thing with chassis... Different opinions. I, for one, think that both the a Mcree & XLR are hideously ugly! And wouldn't be caught dead using one! And by "better" buttstock, I assume you mean "adjustable"? Because I don't know how much "better" you can get over the full billet aluminum construction of my buttstock. And when it comes to adjustable, well my intent wasn't to build an Olympic BIATHLON GUN! I built a battle oriented sniper rifle.
To each his own, but I think having an adjustable cheekpiece is important, others must too or they wouldn't be so popular. While that stock might work for you it wouldn't work for me. Most snipers I've seen have adjusted their cheekpiece to get the correct alinement with their scope. Whether it is padding and tape or an adjustable piece, most have made some modifications. Also the Mcree and XLR are aluminum as well. but what would I know, I'm about to put my third barrel on my 6.5 CM. :)
[QUOTE=Dave Hoback;367698]I would say don't look to either. I built my own, and recommend others do the same. This build looks better, and will out shoot either.
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Nice rifle. What sort of groups are you getting with it?
Haven't yet. Just got it put together last week. Starting on working up a load this week. I don't get a lot of range time these days. I'm disabled and can't drive myself.
Newsshooter, why are you taking a defensive position because of my reply?? I don't remember condescending your ability to replace a barrel on a Savage... I don't understand the comment "but what would I know".
In any case, I have no problem with a cheek pad. In fact, I'll be making one for my stock. I was referring to the stocks like the one on the RPR. As far as the XLR & Mcree are concerned, I apologize if what I said about them offended you, but they make for an incredibly ugly rifle! The AR15 is a very nice looking rifle. Thus, is a bolt action with that look. But, when a manufacturer makes a half AR, half competition & half alien aircraft CHASSIS, well, the result is just FUGLICIOUSLY UGLY! J/K
The savage stealth is an awesome looking rifle. I may get one. Do they offer it in .260???
I think the RPR has a better action than the Savage, and I have three LRP actions. I don't like the stealth chassis, I shoot with my thumb on top, not wrapped around the pistol grip on my bolt rifles. I don't see a good place for my thumb on the stealth.
The RPR definitely looks better, and being that Ruger has copied both the Ar15's easy barrel change, & the Savage Accutrigger, I believe it to be the better of the two. But the stock is hideous, and as stated, only a 24" barrel, I think it overpriced. But I think any Savage, Ar15, AK47 or 1911 I didn't build myself, is overpriced.
To each his own. Personally, I like the stealth more than the RPR in the looks department. All the bells and whistles are great in the RPR, but "KISS" 😉. Can't wait to see a range report on one!
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Wait for the ashberry if you don't like the stealth looks. Looks almost identical to the RPR. But the price tag I heard is around $1700. Ruger built the RPR from the ground up. Savage seems to just slap there 10 series action and barrel into a chassis system. Anyone can do that. I did it to my 10T 6.5cm with a cadex chassis. Not sure but did savage true the stealth rifles?
Dave, that rifles looks sweet. Care to give us a rundown on specs?
Thank you sir, and sure I can. It's a Model 10 short action. Shilen 26" Varmint contour barrel with recessed target crown, in 260 Remington. PTG barrel nut and recoil lug. MDT TAC21 chassis. Firebird Precision bench rest stock. Glades Armory nitride Tactical bolt handle. American Defense AD Recon scope mount. SWFA SS 16x42 scope.
You did a fine job of building that sweet rifle. Congrats. Don't want to know what it cost but my guess is over 2 grand. Like the optics too. Have a SWFA SS 20x on my 6.5 for now. Came from my 50BMG I used to own. Saving the pennies for the optics I want. But the SWFA is doing fine for now. Helps with the old eyes. The ashberry is supposed to be released in the fall.
I think the whole argument is pretty moot... RPR vs Stealth. I have shot the SSG3K, M24, 10P, 700 SPS and home built 110 300WM pretty regularly. With match ammo they all shoot 1/2-3/4 MOA. The RPR and Stealth are just two more quality bolt guns added to an already long list of recent production quality bolt guns. I wouldn't trade one of mine for either of them since I'm getting the same accuracy out of production rifles for same or less money. And if the terrible range reports about the RPR are true; 1-2 MOA from such a hyped of rifle is ridiculously unacceptable.
I think that a nice rifle should shoot at least 0.5 MOA
If not something is wrong - for me at least - even being a rookie 😉
My Savage 12 LRP shot - 0.5 MOA out of the box
Still doing 194-6X in F-Class so that should be ok for a stock 'out of the box' rifle
I am waiting on my new scope delivery and than I will zero it again
Gonna use a few factory ammo rounds and see how it does after 600+ rounds
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Thank you friend. Really cool thing is I built it with only 1 hand Nah, not $2k. But close. Including the scope and base, I'm in it for about $1880. Figure a lot of people have much more than that in optics alone! I will say, that if you just order the same parts from the normal places, it's well over $2k. I'm incredibly patient when making purchases. I researched prices for 3 weeks, before ordering anything.
I hear ya about optics though. I have one on my wish list(I would never spend $2k on a scope though!).
Been on the hunt for a Burris XTR II 4-20x50 or 5-25x50 SCR MOA but all sold out. Everyone is waiting for Burris to fill orders again. Always said I would never spend more than 500 bucks until I saw the XTR. Nice scope for the money. Want this for my 6.5 creedmoor.
I built a Savage 300WM and put her in a MDT chassis, side folding stock adapter, and some other stuff... I can second that price tag man. It claimed pretty quick! Yours is looking good however and probably worth every penny. Especially doing it yourself; it's just part of the appeal.
I built me a savage 111 30-06 with a LLS Chassis System used a Magpul PRS Precision-Adjustable Stock also put a oversized Tactical Bolt handle did not find a 30-06 mag so had to use MTD 300wm just bent the flaps down a little toss in a trigger from Timney and Marty from Rio Salado Gunsmithing my he RIP before he passed away made a Muzzle Brake out of the barrel work great put a Nikon Monarch 4-16x42SF MBDC on the top shoots great 1/2 MOA at 300 yards with winchester silvertip 30-06 ballistic 168-grain I have about with all the other things I have on it $2000.00 or a little over.
I have had and still have several Savage rifles. I sold a target action set up to fund my RPR in 243. It is an awesome rifle. The highlights to me are the AR style safety, the trigger is great, the stock is very adjustable, barrel can be easily changed, and it uses cheap Magpul magazines. The action is very smooth and there is positive ejection too. Mine has shot various loads from 1/2"-1" at 100. I have not even tried any load development yet, but interesting enough the most accurate load was an old Striker load with 55gr vmax over 8208 xbr. I have not tried 105gr in it yet.
That being said I would have to be able to get the stealth very cheap to even consider it.
Its all personal opinion. Who cares what someone else thinks of how it looks. Can it shoot and can you shoot it to its fullest capabilities. Things like longevity, fit and finish, parts availability and such then come into play. I know this is a Savage forum but intellectual honesty is good thing.
I think that the RPR is a decent looking rifle. In fact my brother is ordering a 6.5CM this week. Personally, I like my 12LRP in an XLR Carbon chassis
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Then you've apparently been around plenty of novice shooters at your range haha, just kidding. Guys are printing 0.3-0.5 MOA groups at 100 with the RPRs using factory and handloads where I shoot. I'm a Savage guy through and through, but an RPR in 6.5 CM in the hands of a capable shooter will hang with our 0.5 MOA factory barrel Savages all day
I sold my RPR mainly because it was a tank compared to the Stealth. That's great if your bench shooting but I want to pack a rifle. And my Stealth shoots every bit as good as the RPR, I am sure it will even be better once broken in.
I will say you get more features with the RPR for your money, but I like the feel of the Stealth better.
Something everyone has to remember is that the RPR is an entry level gun, so there are many entry level shooters picking them up and providing range reports. How many of those entry level shooters do you think are 1/2 MOA shooters? i don't know any that can shoot 1/2MOA without a rear bag, but that's what a lot of these guys do, then claim the rifle doesn't shoot. This isn't just the RPR, but pretty much all rifles. i've helped a lot of people at the range with simple stuff like this. They just simply don't know!
Well stated indeed. Bunch of young, inexperience internet commando shooters posting "reviews" when they don't even have a grasp of the fundamentals of shooting.
Those who do have a firm grasp of the fundamentals by the throat and reload themselves, are regularly printing sub-0.5 MOA groups with factory RPRs in 6.5 CM. Again, I'm a savage guy through and through, but I do and will give credit where credit is due. The RPR is a shooter
Maybe so. Seems like the 6.5 owners have had better luck. I bought a .308 and it was shooting 2" groups with factory barrel. I was going to sell the rifle but instead decided to change the barrel. After the barrel change I can get .25 to .5 MOA from it and now I'm very happy with the RPR. And still think it looks much better than the Stealth, IMO.
RPR looks better
Although I don't own one I read that the Creedmoor 6.5 version seems to be a more accurate than the 308
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I think the RPR is a solid option but I have not found any 6.5 RPR's less then $1200, and many on gunbroker are over $1300. I have been looking for them and signed up at most dealers to be alerted but they don't come in stock. At that price IMHO you are over the entry level price. I got my stealth for $899, and there's a $100 mail in rebate so my cost is $799 well $30 shipping and free transfer so $830 OTD. The RPR to me is not worth $4-500 more than the stealth. I remember when the RPR's first came out many poeple were finding them under $1k and I was on the fence and by the time the I started looking for one they were gone. I might spend an extra $200 for a RPR but not $4-500. I think the stealth will serve me well til Im ready to do upgrade past entry level.
You got a good deal and a better rifle . . . normally !
Post some pics of grouping!
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Ordered the 6.5 Stealth, hopefully will arrive Friday. My wife has a RPR in 6.5 she shoots .59 - .39 groups regularly, I'm more in the .6 range (she is a better shot). Just learning, we went to Talladaga CMP range and shot 200 and 600 with RPR 6.5, 300 win mag and .338 Savage. On 200 she shot a 100 with 6x's (10 shots), I shot a 98 with 4x's. The RPR shoots well (like posted .308 guys seem to be hit or miss on accuracy. With the enhanced model my normal source has not been able to get many like before. Looked at the Savage and based on my .338 Savage, decided to give it a go. 960 bucks vs RPR in the 1400+ range. If it is as good as the few folks I have heard reports from, it should shoot as well as her RPR.
At 600 we found out how little we know, the wind was shifting back and forth a good bit. Learning to judge it will take a while. Shot a 91 10 shot group, was happy for first try past 200 using my 300 Win Mag Remington 700p.
I think your definition of entry level is wrong with regards to this discussion. This is about precision/target rifles, not your normal type rifles with standard actions, fixed stocks, tapered barrels, etc. the 12LRP and RPR are both entry level into long range precision rifles.
Also whenever a new rifle comes out as of late they come in low, raise the price and ride the wave till it falls off. Then the price balances out once the popularity flattens out.
Some call this economics.... Ruger's RPR is at the top of its wave right now and the Savage Stealth will come in and do well, but still only have a small following in comparison. That's just the way the market is right now.