WHERES THE B MAG ????
WHY ARE THEY DOING THIS TO US.
uuuggghhh
Waiting for this rifle is as bad as waiting for the current president to finish his term.
I have B MAG Fever.
Savage help us, release the b mags
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WHERES THE B MAG ????
WHY ARE THEY DOING THIS TO US.
uuuggghhh
Waiting for this rifle is as bad as waiting for the current president to finish his term.
I have B MAG Fever.
Savage help us, release the b mags
Take two Ritalin and call me in the morning.
It's pretty standard for new models not to show up on the dealers shelves until mid summer or even late summer. Given the insanity in the industry as of late I would think it will likely be closer to late summer before we see them.
been too busy selling the company???
What's the difference if the guns came out two months ago or tomorrow? In either case you wouldn't be able to shoot them as the ammo isn't shipping yet either.
Well,
I usually get this way when I have not purchased a new rifle for a while. Was about to pull the trigger on a 17 hmr Savage bolt gun, but I think the 17 wsm rimfire and the B Mag rifle will be a several steps up in all catagories, so I deceided to allocate the funds to the B mag.
I know that they said May, June for 1st shipments, so I was hoping they actually got it right.
Speaking of shipping out.
Does anyone know the magic number of rifles they hold before shipping out?
100 rifles ? 500 ? 1000 ? ect.
Then, does anyone know if they "choose" who gets them, or do they go to a wholesale company 1st, then the retailers ?
Thanks
I used to be a Ruger fanatic. They were supposed to bring out the P-85 and the GP-100 in the mid 80's. I think it was '87 or '88 before they came out. Now Ruger introduces a product and it's on the shelf in a week. They don't work, but it only takes a week. I'd rather Savage spend a little extra time on the B Mag and get it right the first time. I no longer am a Ruger fan. I've never seen such horrible QC in my life. I've now come over to the dark side. I love my Savage products!
If only Savage made a decent .22 target pistol. :rolleyes:
Jim,
Are the B Mags being made in Canada? Just curious.
I doubt it as it's a totally new design that shares nothing with the existing rimfire rifles.
I spoke to Paul at Winchester Ammo 2 days ago. He is one of the tech service CSR's. He said the ammo is shipping next week after Memorial Day. He also said they have orders for 13,000,000 rounds. 13 MILLION...WOW.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrFurious
I also call Savage every other week asking about the B.Mag and I am beginning to have a buddy there, Andrew, who has helped me out with a few minor issues. He has told me they will be at distributors & retailers by the end of June 2013 which is still within the target Q2 2013 release. I went further to ask him today if they were actually being built, have some already built, packed & ready to ship. Yes on all accounts.
This time last year I was buying 17 Hornet ammo and didn't get the rifle I wanted until after Christmas. Be patient young padawan.
The biggest distributors get them 1st and then it trickles down through the smaller & the Savage directs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monkeymaster
I felt up a B.Mag today at my favorite local gun shop.
The B Mag is now on the Savage website....
They announced it on FaceBook yesterday too.
...and for those who haven't heard, I have a box of 25gr 17WSM. They arrived today. ~glee~
I'm going to wait a while to see if they make a camo model. Recently I bought a Model 25 in 22 Hornet and then a few months later Savage came out with the 25 in camo. If I had known I would have waited for the camo which I like much, much, much better than the regular ugly stock, so this time I'm going to wait and see. Besides, I hope Winchester, or someone, comes out with a much improved 20 or 22 caliber rimfire....soon. I think a 17 caliber is fine for feathers (birds, magpies and crows), but too small for fur (varmints).
Willy I have no issues dispatching large woodchucks with my HMR at out to 180 yards. Shot placement does help though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Willy
Have you called Savage to ask how much the camo stock is?
Im going to get my wife one of these. A real man would not even shoot rimfire. Well that is unless you have a Suhl thus allowing me to keep my mancard.:bolt:
I find that offensive but then I realise that I am a confident man and whether I am shooting any of my many rim fire rifles or handguns or center fire rifles, handguns or shotguns, it is not how big it is it is how you stay on the center of the target. That is all I have to say about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by stangfish
As long as you are comfortable in a dress and high heels who cares!
Who is getting them 1st ?
Any Ideas ?
"Willy I have no issues dispatching large woodchucks with my HMR at out to 180 yards. Shot placement does help though.
Have you called Savage to ask how much the camo stock is?"
No, I haven't called Savage; maybe I will. I was thinking of aftermarket Boyd stocks, when they set up an outlet in Canada. Right now shipping from S Dakota is around $50.
I picked mine up yesterday at Cabela's and also scored the last box of ammo in the store.
Boyds doesn't make a stock yet for the M25Quote:
Originally Posted by Willy
I drove 2.5 hours to pick up one at a gun shop and 3 boxes of ammo. I was there for 2 hours and then finally left without it. Change of heart I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by redmister
I pick up my new Savage B MAG tomorrow. I bought it at a small gun store in the valley and got 8 boxes of Winchester 17 Super Magnum ammo at Bass Pro in Modesto, Ca. last week.
Frank
What did you get for ammo? 20gr or 25gr?Quote:
Originally Posted by maximo
How long does anybody think it will take Savage to make a left-hand B.Mag? I already have a right-hand one coming.
5 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poor Shot
1st will come a heavy barrel, then some type of wood stock, then a lefty and that might only be plastic or wood. That is IF this round gains any real steam.
5 years? I probably won't live that long.Quote:
Originally Posted by plinkin
Got 8 boxes of Winchester 17 Super Magnum, 20 gr, Polymer Tip. The Polymer Tip 20 gr bullet looks just like the Hornaday 17 HMR V-MAX bullet only the Hornaday V-Max I shoot is a 17 gr bullet.
Frank
I have a box of 25gr and if you look on here you will see a picture I took of HMR WSM & 17H together.Quote:
Originally Posted by maximo
Chances are the cartridge will not live that long either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poor Shot
I hope it lasts! I like the ballistic numbers and reasonable ammo price something to shoot and not reload. But SAVAGE....hurry up with the varmint barreled lefty!!Quote:
Originally Posted by plinkin
The cartridge itself should prove to be a winner, but I'm not going to comment on the B-Mag until I get my hands on one. I will say though that I don't care for the looks of it, and I can already tell I'm not going to like the stock just from the diameter and shape of the grip.
However, the #1 thing that's going to make or break the cartridge is who all in the industry ends up supporting it by offering products. The cartridge is proprietary to Ohlin-Winchester, and from my understanding it's very unlikely that they will grant rights to Federal or Remington to offer ammunition for it under their labels - at least for the time being. That's even assuming either has the capabilities to make the ammunition with their current machinery because after all - this cartridge is based off a nail gun case.
On the gun side of things, right now it's just Savage and Winchester and this isn't a cartridge that can simply be chambered in any existing rimfire. Due to the pressures involved and the thickness of the case rim no existing rimfire rifle would stand up to it. The firing pin systems wouldn't have the energy to ignite the round, and even if one magically happened to the receiver/barrel wouldn't be able to withstand the much higher pressure. As such any manufacturer who wants to sell a gun chambered for this round is going to have to design an all new one from the ground up the same as Savage and Winchester have (note the Winchester 1885 Low Wall was originally designed as a centerfire offered under the Browning nameplate and chambered in .22 Hornet and .223 Rem, .243 Win and .260 Rem).
In short I think the 2014/2015 SHOT Shows will determine the outcome of the 17 WSM. What manufacturers show up with new rifles designed specifically for the cartridge will dictate whether it ends up being a short-lived flop like the 17 Mach 2 or a long-term hit and future staple like the 17 HMR.
I believe this cartridge is short lived. If Win is going to keep it their own, and I talked to Hornady and they have no plans on manufacturing them yet, then it will flop like the 5mm Rem Mag RF. The 5mm lasted in production for 5 years (69-73) when Remington stopped building rifles for it. They were short sighted with their 2 models, the 591 & 592, and their proprietary round. This is what WILL happen IF the B.Mag and the $1500 Winchester are the only 2 rifles out there AND if only Winchester makes the ammo. The internet will help and hurt this product.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrFurious
We have had 11 years of the HMR and many many manufacturers make rifles and handguns for it, yes it is indeed a success story.
By no means is the HM2 / Mach II a flop. 9 years in production and there are still rifles being chambered in it. Granted it is over shadowed by its bigger brother but it is in no way giving up the ghost anytime soon. Even if it died today there would still be ammo. A little known fact is that they were experimenting with the HM2 and ended up taming it down because it was quickly approaching HMR speeds and it seemed to be counter productive for marketing. Its interesting to thing a HM2 can easily be safely loaded to exceed 2300fps while the HMR is 2550fps. Makes me wonder what the actual safe possible MAX load could be. Maybe once I get a Chrony I might play a little.
The B.Mag is being said buy some honest buyers and non buyers alike that it appears to be, feels like it is, seems like it is a cheaply made rifle. Where it is cheap, it is CHEAP. Where the money went is into the action and R&D. Basically it is a rim fire Axis. It was designed and build for the masses as is the Axis. After all they sell a heck of a lot more Axis than they do M12 laminate stainless steel 22-250.
The only to rim fire actions I can see handling this 17WSM load is the Savage 40 or the Ruger 77/22 (77/17). The 40 easily handles 22 hornet as does the Ruger handles both 22H & 17H. I don't see me spending the money to have my M40 relined & reamed for 17WSM and then converting a bolt.
I was very gung-ho on the B.Mag but reality is at this point I give it 5 years. If it lasts that long I am willing to bet at the very least 17HM2 ammo will still be available.
I don't see anyone chambering 17WSM if they have not already chambered 17 Hornet. So far Remington is watching 17H and those CZ lovers aren't holding their breath for the 17H.
It's going to be a long row to hoe, a long hill to climb.
~Plinkin~
The last "new" cartridges I found exciting and worth getting into were the 17 HMR and .204 Ruger, and my interest in the 204 waned fairly quickly. I'm pretty traditional when it comes to my guns and cartridges, but I'm not against experimenting now and then if something looks promising. In this case the round looks promising to me, but the B-Mag...not so much.
It's too bad Savage discontinued the Stevens Favorite a few years back - a slightly beefed up version of it would have made an interesting little rifle and undercut the Winchester by a significant amount in price. For that matter it would have made a nice Model 24 combo cartridge as well, but nope - they discontinued those as well.
I don't disagree with you. I do find it interesting, the cartridge. I am a rim fire nut plain & simple. When I saw Taurus was planning on bringing out the Tracker 590 (5mm) I was excited. They dropped it before any real production. I understand why too. I am sure they wouldn't have sold a ton of them, just like they didn't sell a ton of Raging Hornets & Bees compared to the other Raging series and the Judge etc. I don't believe they dropped it because of potential sales.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrFurious
What don't you like about the .204?
Wasn't that I didn't like it, I just didn't really see any real benefit it offered to justify having one. Already having a 17 HMR, fast and slow twist .223 Rem's, a fast twist (1-9) 22-250 Rem and a faster twist (1-8) .22-250 Ackley it just didn't fill any niche I didn't already have covered. I also found it to be fairly finicky in terms of reloading.Quote:
Originally Posted by plinkin
Good round, just didn't light my fire like I had expected it to.
Well that is how I feel about the 17WSM. I have a 17HM2, HMR, 22H, 17H & 204R...where does the 17WSM fit? For the longest time I wanted a 22-250 but when I found the 204 I put the 22-250 on hold.
I do not reload the 204 yet but from things I have read, guys posting reviews of the Hornady Superformance ammo, they say they can hand load ammo that shoots as well as Hornady factory but can't get the speed. I would like a M12 in 204 but that'll have to wait.
Plinkin, and anyone else who wishes to join in, what power scope do you use for shooting wood chucks at several hundred yards? I have a 9x on my 17 HMR and I'm beginning to think I could use at least 12x to maybe even 16x on it.
Re scopes 12, 16 and more are great. Cheap scopes over 9 power are not worth a dam in my opinion. They are not real clear and will not stay true when moved up and down in power. I have had to pay in the $400 - $500 range to get a scope that was good in the higher powers.
Frank
2-6x36 HMR revolver (max 100yd)Quote:
Originally Posted by Willy
4.5-14x40 HM2 rifle (max 100yd)
6-18x40 HMR rifle (Confirmed kill 185yd)
4-16x40 WSM Rifle (Confirmed kill 165yd) changing to 6-24x42
6-24x40 22Hornet Rifle (Confirmed kill 189yd unconfirmed 200) changed to 8-32x50
6-24x50 17 Hornet Rifle(Confirmed kill 100yd)
6-24x44 204 Ruger Rifle (NO Confirmed kills, no range finder last year judging distance past 250yd, I was missing over 300yd)
God bless those who can get it done with a 9x or 12x scope but I am "handicapped" and need my crutch of a high magnification scope.
I may keep the 3-9x on my 22 mag but I think I'll start looking for something with higher magnification for the 17 HMR. Scorpion is supposed to have just as good glass as Leupold (one dealer told me it was even better), so that may be the direction I take.
Well I was coming from centerfire only and reloading to get the best benchrest accuracy. The .17 WSM actually got me excited again. I am too busy these days to reload as much and still am able to get reasonably good accuracy in the WSM. I am enjoying it, except for the extreme shortage of ammo here.
Irish
Frank, you might find this hard to believe but I have looked at scopes in the 6-24 range up to $400 and none are as clear as a Barska. Over $400 the Nikon is excellent and if I only had one rifle (or 2) that needed a scope in that range I would choose Nikon but it is obvious I have more than 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by maximo
Recently I upgrade the BSA 6-24x40 scope from my Savage 40. This scope came on the rifle when I bought it. I would not have purchased that exact scope myself for a few reasons. For 1 in general I "normally" do not buy an illuminated reticle. Another reason was that this exact scope was a tad dim with or without the sunshade especially compared to how bright the Barska Varmint or the Hot Magnum series I have is. The real and main reason I took it off my Hornet is because the coating on the lenses interfered (or vise versa) with the Crizal coating (that I didn't want, that I was convinced to have a 2nd time and NEVER again) on my newest glasses. It didn't bother me when I was wearing my contacts or my old frames with new lenses. Unfortunately I accidentally broke the old frames and as a rule I don't wear my contacts out Summer hunting due to pollen issues. Anyway what would occur is on a bright or slightly overcast day if I was viewing through the scope my viewing eye would start to tear up something terrible, seriously really bad.
Had I not sold that scope over eBay last week I would have kept it as a spare because I won't have these glasses forever and it held zero and over all it was fairly clear, as clear as the Bushnell scope they have on display at the local Gander Mountain.
The most recent Barska scope is from the Excavator series and is a 8-32x50AO target dot with illuminated dot. I know I said I do not normally buy illuminated reticles but I had been wanting a target dot scope to try and for some reason I figured illuminating the dot was not a bad idea. Plus the Excavator only comes with illuminated reticle whether it is mildot, target dot or range finding reticle.
Granted at 32x it is a little dim and slightly foggy but at 28x its crystal and all the way to 28x it is crystal. This scope sells for $169.99 from MidwayUSA or Buy It Now on eBay directly from Barska "huntinggear" shipped free from both or someone who is patient and pay shipping can bid it out on "huntinggear's" listings and usually get one between $110-$120. I snagged mine for $101.65 shipped.
The Excavator series all come with 50mm adjustable objectives and range in 4-16x, 6-24x, and 8-32x. Reticle is either target dot, mil dot or range finder. Up until recently the 8-32x didn't come in mil dot but there is a listing now on eBay from huntinggear with one. It must be a new number because even their website doesn't list it.
Recently one of the local gun shops received a Barska 10-40 SWAT series scope with some purchase or trade they made. Normally they would have something like this in the bargain bin. I have picked up some decent scopes from that bargain bin like my 2nd Mueller APV for $65 which if anyone knows that scope it darn near brings the full price used on eBay, it is just that good of a scope. Well t hey had the SWAT scope on GunBroker and I watch their listings on there. I went in to check it out and let me tell you out of all the Barska scopes I own or have handled this scope puts a new meaning to the words clear & crisp. Pardon me when I say this but, if you were so inclined you could watch a flea take a dump on the woodchuck you are going to shoot with this scope.
Now I am not trying to sway you, Frank or anyone reading this, that Barska is the "be all end all" in scopes. All I am saying is on a limited budget you can get some really clear optics that hold zero shot after shot until you have the cash to get what your heart desires. Chances are when (or if) you swap it out you will hang on to it for a spare and if you don't you can easily got the majority of what you spent on it back on eBay.
Now having pumped up Barska let me just say a few things negative. From my personal experience which has taught me to look at Barska scopes closely when I can handle them. When I can't handle them I get them from these sources in this order because they will take care of me if needed but I haven't needed them to do so. Huntinggear (eBay), MidwayUSA and Optics Planet which actually did take care of me on another scope that was not Barska. On the lower end scopes of Barska that I have owned which currently is the Hot Magnum 17 (Barska's answer the the Sweet22/17 BSA) they have a knob on the windage turret to reset zero once you have set zero. They are retained by 3 small allen set screws. The varmint series has these too on both turrets. On my Hot Magnum 1 of the 3 holes was not drilled perfectly 90º into the knob so when I tighten that screw the knob cocks just a bit. Okay, there you have it, That is the negative for my experience. Does it hinder function, nope, but if you are more anal than me it will drive you bat crap. For me it is under the turret cap out of sight out of mind except when I am writing talking about it. If I had not special ordered it from Dick's Sporting Goods because I had a crap load of rewards checks & I had more patients I would have had them order another and exchange it but I had already installed it. For a 6-18 scope that sells for around $100 it is extremely clear all the way up, holds zero and if you are into the bullet drop turrets it comes with 17gr HMR turret and 3 .22 turrets 40,38 and 36gr. It also comes in 3-12x and 2-7x although I don't know why anyone with buy a 2-7x scope for a HMR rifle.
I guess I am saying just don't discount those "cheap" scopes, especially Barska. I 1st bought one of there scopes off of eBay a few years back because I needed a "cheap" scope for this old Marlin 60 I had that was missing the front sight. $20 shipped they sent me the 4x32 duplex reticle scope with 3/8" rings that bolted up and had that Marlin shooting off hand 1" groups at 25yd with bulk ammo AND that thing was SO CLEAR it was crazy. I ordered 3 more just like that. Low price, good value.
A few months ago I purchaced a .22 rifle with a Leupold 2-7x33 VX1 on it. The scope is nice and if I had only 1 .22 rifle for squirrel hunting I would buy it but since I have multiple rim fire and multiple Henry levers I can't afford to plunk $200+ down on a scope for everything. For me the Henry rifles all get 3-9x32AO Simmons 22mag scopes. Affordable, clear, generous eye relief which helps in the Henry and it fits the small receiver well. My eye could not tell the difference in clarity between the Simmons and the Leupold. My PayPal account could when the eBay buyer sent me $220 to ship it to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Willy
Again, I am not trying to gt everyone on the thrifty band wagon and this is why there is so many brands of scopes, rifles, ammo, cars etc, we are all different.
Not every Simmons scope is to my liking. The 6-24x44SF on my .204 is not a favorite of mine. I don't like the Simmons version of Mil Dot in that scope, I don't like the bars in it because they are so thick, every time I pull the trigger I have to refocus the quick focus eye piece and when target shooting at 100 yards no matter where I focus the eye piece or the side focus it is never crisp. Now when hunting NW Pa wood chucks it isn't an issue because as long as I can see the reticle clearly and see the target clear enough it is a done deal. The scope holds zero well. It might get transferred on to my new M25 22H and something else onto the .204 or both might end up with other scopes entirely and I will save that scope for a custom rim fire rig because up close it is clear, crisp and crystal.
Gonna mount a "22 mag" Simmons 3-9x on my Henry 22 as well.; should be plenty good for that....I hope.
I prefer the adjustable objective version but that is me. Yes it will work nice. You might want to get a little better ring set. For 50yd or less squirrel sniping ect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Willy
I mounted a 4-12x Leupold Redfield (doesn't have adjustable objective, wished it did), on my 17 HMR so I'll give that a try in the next few days. I didn't locktite the threads and hopefully won't need to. Used the weaver rings but I may have to change those. I'm currently using the plastic orange predator shooting rest (about$40-$50); do sandbags work better? I asked one guy at the store and he said whatever you're comfortable with.....