My first Savage 99....can't figure out what model?

Hello everyone, new member here.

I have a question for you 99 Guru's out there...

I just bought a 99 Savage in .300 Savage caliber:

1) It is a takedown model
2) It is serial number 2577XX, which according to the web makes it a Transitional 1899/99 model, built in 1924
3) It has a straight stock (non-checkered), with a metal Shotgun buttplate
4) The barrel is 24 inches long, fully threaded, with a folding rear sight with white colored triangle on it
5) front sight is an integral "short" beaded sight (looks like bronze bead)
6) the receiver ring has 1899 Savage on it
7) Barrel has patent dates, and .300 Savage along with hi pressure steel on it (or something to that affect)
8) Barrel has arrow pointing "off" direction....no letter codes on barrel

I still can't determine exactly what model it is? anybody know? the information is nebulous from the web.

The barrel bluing is quite good with a light freckling of rust. The receiver has most of it's bluing worn away, mainly gray, with a light freckling of rust.

The action is very smooth, and the bolt locks up tight when cocked. When not cocked, the bolt has a few thousands play both side to side and front to back. Bore looks great, and everything else is pretty darn good.

The stock toe has a 3/8" or so chip out of it, and the forearm has a crack on the right upper side.

My plan is to re-finish the stock, and rust blue all the metal (I have only done cold-bluing so far, but want to get into rust-bluing)

Dealer wanted $ 400 for it, I paid $ 350

Any help appreciated.

thanx
Don


p.s. forget to mention....receiver has been top drilled for scope (Cry!)....I can live with that though

when my wife finds MY camera, I will post photos

Looking forward to the pictures

Thanks, still waiting on the Wife...

Anybody else know what model i have?

thanx

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AFAIK, you should have a Model 1899D.


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Originally Posted by PetahW

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AFAIK, you should have a Model 1899D.


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Thanks,

I find it quite difficult with info. from the web, to try and determine Savage's quirky model designations.

I was thinking the D model also.


btw, I took the rifle to the range today for the first time, along with Remington 150 grain rounds. The rifle shot well with most 5 shot groups less than an inch and a half, (at 100 yards). if the trigger wasn't so heavy, it might even shoot tighter groups. I can't wait to get some photos posted, so that I can begin the take down, and refurbishing.


Thanks

Don

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It's an early version 99F. The rear sight has been changed and it's been drilled and tapped. The D&T will hurt any collector value but it will make a nice shooter.

Definitely NOT an 1899D, that would be a military version Savage musket, way off.

Thanks Mad dog, I see you are correct, as the D model is the Military Canadian model.

I just yesterday, sanded down the stock, and I'm going to use crocus cloth on the metal, followed by rust-bluing. From what I have read, people say don't use finer grit than 320 because you will over-polish the metal, and it won't look Factory....is this correct?

Also, my lever is pretty much completely gone of case hardening, is there a way for the do it yourselfer to re-case harden, or faux re-case harden the metal?

thanx

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Originally Posted by Mad Dog

It's an early version 99F.

Definitely NOT an 1899D, that would be a military version Savage musket, way off.

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I'm no expert, but I'm now properly confused, MD.......... ? ? ? (This is the 1st time I've ever heard of a Canadian Military Model 1899)



Firstly, the OP's 1924 rifle is chambered in .300 Savage - and AFAIK, the 1899 Military rifles & carbines were chambered in only .303 Savage from 1899-1902 & in both the .303 and the .30-30 starting in 1902 ( the Military models discontinued on 1908).

Secondly, in addition to having a musket-type stock (the BP curving around to the rear of the stock comb), AFAIK the 1899-1908 Military 1899's had no model designation letter.


thirdly, I thought that at about the time (1924) of the OP's sample, of the "models" then made (A, B, C, D, E, F, & G), the A's & B's had 26" bbl's; the Model C's the same as the solid-frame A's, but with a 22" bbl + a shotgun butt; Model D's the takedown version of the Model C's; and the Model F's being a takedown version of the Model E's, but with a lightweight tapered barrel.


Could you please help me with my understanding ?



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Originally Posted by PetahW

I'm no expert, but I'm now properly confused, MD.......... ? ? ? (This is the 1st time I've ever heard of a Canadian Military Model 1899)

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You can google it if you'd like, also known as a Montreal Home Guard. Not listed in Murrays book if that's what your using. There is a very good book titled Allied Rifle Contracts in America by Luke Mercaldo which has a really good chapter on the 1899D Montreal Home Guard and also has my name in it under acknowledgements.

Couple pics might save you digging up info.

http://41.media.tumblr.com/c5c843ec8...vgxo2_1280.jpg

Got the lever back from a guy who re-case hardened it for me....came out nice. I am waiting now to get the scope holes filled and TIG welded, to go forward with the restoration.

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Nice work.

Thanks.....

A guy from a Rim fire Forum (another site) recommended Him

Here are some photos with the restoration, I'm doing. I had the scope holes TIG welded, I filed them/sanded them, and i'm now in the process of Slow Rust Bluing the receiver.[IMG]http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/...psoxwu471o.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/...psri0tefnt.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/...psupwcagmj.jpg[/IMG]

This is only the second application of Rust-Bluing, it'll probably take 7 or so applications.

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photos of receiver boiling after rust-blue formula applied.


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Another application.

Receiver, pretty close to being done. No oil applied yet for 24 hours.

Barrel came out very nice..

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So far I am quite impressed with Slow Rust-bluing. Easy to do, you just have to be meticulous with keeping oil off the Metal, and follow directions.

It looks like you have your answer but for future reference this attached link is a good overview of the model 1899/99 and it came from a prior entry from this forum...

http://www.savageshooters.com/conten...l-99-do-I-have

Good luck with the new gun... BTW sound like a good price... they are not plentiful but not too uncommon to find them where I live...Upstate NY. they average $600-$650 with some average wear....
FG

Thanks for the info, I can't wait to get this back together.

Well, here she is finished....looking forward to a Hog/Deer hunt next Month in South Carolina, with my Father. The savage is going to be put to the test.[IMG]http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/...pshu9gs0ow.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/...ps5mnfrxp6.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/...psskq0lrgb.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/...psrhmv8m1m.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2zqmjdev.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/...pso4gkxdnv.jpg[/IMG]

Wow, nicely done! Looks great!

Enjoy the time with your father and "good hunting".

Tight groups,

Old No7

[QUOTE=Old No7;381361]Wow, nicely done! Looks great!

Enjoy the time with your father and "good hunting".

Tight groups,

Thank You, I am looking forward to getting some meat with this rifle.

Unfortunately, we didn't get a shot at either a Hog or Deer. I did see one Doe at about 80 yards, but she slipped thru the trees like a ghost before I could even get a shot. I think the thing that killed our hunting was the fact that in S. Carolina the Deer season had already started a few weeks before we arrived; and the Hogs/Deer were already well acclimated to people moving thru the woods. They pretty much were only moving during the night....stinks, but just spending time with my dad was good enough.

That entire job turned out just amazing!! Great work! What type of rust blue did you use?? I always had good luck with Dicropan!

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That entire job turned out just amazing!! Great work! What type of rust blue did you use?? I always had good luck with Dicropan!

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Pilkington's....rather costly, but it worked very well.


http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-to...-prod9815.aspx

I'd use a coat of Pilkingtons first to get a good acid etch on the metal, than use the Dircopan.

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I'd use a coat of Pilkingtons first to get a good acid etch on the metal, than use the Dircopan.

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I'll have to look into the Dicropan; don't know much about it.

It's a hot water blue, from Brownell's of course! Same procedure as a rust blue but a lot faster. Heat metal in boiling water, air dry and apply while hot, return to boiling water, remove let dry card with fine wire wheel, repeat until desired blue is achieved.
Here's a #1 I did about 20 years ago.
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Originally Posted by Big Al1

It's a hot water blue, from Brownell's of course! Same procedure as a rust blue but a lot faster. Heat metal in boiling water, air dry and apply while hot, return to boiling water, remove let dry card with fine wire wheel, repeat until desired blue is achieved.
Here's a #1 I did about 20 years ago.
https://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a...D550/ry%3D400/https://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a...D550/ry%3D400/https://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a...D550/ry%3D400/

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Very nice...what gorgeous wood!

Thanks! It's one of my pretty ones! Exhibition walnut, but most of what I built were all for hunting. Recently, I'm began to admire the craftsmanship of years past!

Nice work friend! Keep it coming.