please help the idiot....accuracy issue

ok here it is in a nutshell...

11 flns in .308. I cannot get a consistent hit on paper. first thought it was the scope. unmounted and remounted. cleaned all surfaces just like i was told. thought i was letting the barrel get too hot. fired 3 shots let it cool for 15 and tried 3 more. same issue. here is the breakdown:

shot one: 6 inch to the right of dead on
shot two: 2 inch to the right of dead on
shot three: 2 inch to the right of dead on

move 1/4 moa scope one click to the left

shot four: 1 inch to the left
shot five : bullseye
shot six: 6 inch to the right of dead on
shot seven:1 inch to left of center
shot eight: 6 inch to the right of dead on
shot nine: off the paper to the right
shot ten: 1 inch to the left of paper

sand bag resting
scope is a tasco world class 4-16 scope
ammo is winchester 150 gr. super x power point
if you need ot know anything else just ask i am at the end of my rope

bad scope, rings still might not be tight (make sure you have the screws for the back in the back and vice versa), action is loose in the stock, stock touch the barrel. Fix and or try those and you should be good.

stiffened the stock with epoxy and lead shot. no barrel touch had my friend watch ot see if i was pulling my shots at the end. thinking about replacing the stock with this

http://rifle-stocks.com/silhouette.htm

[img width=600 height=155]http://rifle-stocks.com/SilhouetteRHSide10inch.jpg[/img]

will try remounting optics again.
thanks and any more advice is appreciated

+1 bad scope

ok are you saying the tasco scope is a POS or that mine is defective

that scope was the best I could afford with the 4-16 i need to hit at that distance( i am damned near blind from scar tissue on my cornea)

chewy

defective

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ok are you saying the tasco scope is a POS or that mine is defective

that scope was the best I could afford with the 4-16 i need to hit at that distance( i am damned near blind from scar tissue on my cornea)

chewy

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Flash burn more times than I can count and several trips to the ER for chemical burns to my eyes have me in the same boat. I have done the less expensive scopes in the past but I just can't do it anymore. I would bet you have a scope problem. See if you can find a scope that is known to be good and borrow it for 10 shots and see if it works. If all else fails, I have several scopes here that are nothing special but hold zero and have good repeatability that you would be more then welcome to try out if you were willing to pay shipping to and from.

where you located

next question what are some reputable scope makers....i see people talk about leupold but the one of those i had died after 150 rounds and leupold refused to honor the guaranty

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stiffened the stock with epoxy and lead shot. no barrel touch had my friend watch ot see if i was pulling my shots at the end. thinking about replacing the stock with this

http://rifle-stocks.com/silhouette.htm

[img width=600 height=155]http://rifle-stocks.com/SilhouetteRHSide10inch.jpg[/img]

will try remounting optics again.
thanks and any more advice is appreciated

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I think the others are right on in their assessments. Just an obsevation here......I'm sorry, but that is one ugly danged stock. :-\

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where you located

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New York.

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next question what are some reputable scope makers....

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Vortex, Sightron, Bushnell, Nightforce are the first 4 i think of and that gives you a really large price range to play with.

was going to get it in a diff color.....they have a nice grey black laminate. pretty much only options for stocks for me are choate and this one. not many make left/ left rifle stocks.


chewy

That orange stock is awesome! Is it only for rimfires though?

nope can be inletted for pretty much any bolt-action the brown brown and grey black are avaial at discounted price right now. they also have discounted ones for cheap for about 200 rifles on the bargain bin.

as for the scope i may have enough for a bushnell if it turns out to be the scope. the scope was monuted for me by cabelas when i bought the gun. bore sighted also but was way off when i shot it.

chewy

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That orange stock is awesome! Is it only for rimfires though?

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Really? :D Just looks gawdy to me. Just my opinion though. You know what they say about opinions...... ;D

So you bought it in Cabelas, I own one Tasco Varmint scope 6-24x44, its blur when zoomed pass16x, but I can dial it to 600 then back to 100, so Tasco not holding zero, very possible, I put one on muzleloader it was keeping zero all the time, but then I had accident my stick felt out of tree stand and busted tasco scope on the ladder, so I got same model tasco scope, but it didn't hold zero. So same brand same model and such difference. By the way which Cabelas did you visited, the one in PA or CT? Bargain cave rifle, hmmm I don't trust anything from there, usually anything I get from bargain cave has some issues.

the scope was monuted for me by cabelas!!!!

That could be your problem right there!!!
Make sure the front base screws aren't bottoming out before getting tight on the base

bought the gun and scope at the cabelas in allen tx. newest cabelas just opened about 3 weeks ago. neither the rifle not the scope were bargain cave. will try remounting scope again already tried once. may see if swapping the screws front ot back makes a diff.

Some time back a guy at Leupold told me that the most common reason they find for a scope needing repair is overtightened ring mtg screws or rings mounted non-concetric which destroys the internals. One or the other may be your problem. Having your shot to shot wide disparity one to another tells me you definately have a scope problem. One nice thing about iron sights is you can fire a group and if they are decent you know its your scope. Borrow a known good scope and see what happens.

El Lobo

Cabellas just might have put a scope mounting rail on meant for a flat back reciever. Just something to check so you dont ruin another scope. New store, new employees who may not know the differnce between a round rear or flat rear Savage reciever.

El Lobo

I had a similiar problem twice:

The screws on the front side of the rail backed out a little. One other time long ago I had the screws get loose on the front ring.

mine is a two piece ring base that came with the leupold rings. gonna go take the damned thing apart right now cuz you guys are making me paranoid

chewy

go to Cabelas, last year they had Nikon Prostuff for 110 -150 bucks you'll find lenses are much better then Tasco, plus you get lifetime warranty, you can also buy Leupold or Redfield by the way those Redfields are great! Get yourself one piece base, get it bedded get some nice rings, like Leupold or Burris, then clean you rfle, get yourself one piece cleaning rod, like Tipton, then bore guide, throw away your metal brushes, use nylon, get yourself some KG-2 bore restore and KG-12 copper remover I would also can recomend KG-1 carbon remover and KG-3 to flush everything, remove copper then polish those machine marks in your tube, get some 168 gr Federal Match or even better M118LR, remember 308 with 1:10 twist likes heavy bullets. Well if all fails call savage send you rifle for repairs, or you can skip all messing around send it to savage if they confirm it can shoot then you have something to work on, shipping probably will cost you 20 bucks.

Can you take picture of your crown, I just got model 12 LRP crown on it is unfinished, I think it causes fliers, but I'm within 1" @ 100

yes i will take a pic of crown( gott a charge the camera) but think i found the issue . the scope is fried. i tied the rifle to a heavy chair. sited it to a .5 inch letter O on a work bucket. turned the parelax knob. the cross hairs moved up as it increased the distance listed. turned the power knob. the cross hairs track in a circle. 4 power on the dead on. at 8 power i get high right. 12 i get high center. at 16 get high leftish. scope mounts are solid.


thanks for the help will update with more info after i go to cabelas tomorrow

chewy

there is something else you might wana try.... Myself I bore sight my rifles on the bird house in my yard, its about 35 yards from my window, so I would remove bolt and sight scope to the round entry to a bird house, by looking thorough barrel and adjusting scope accordingly, anyway that's me, this way I usually 2 - 4 off @ 100 yards. Then you can hit your rifle's buttplate on the floor imitating recoil, then look through the barrel and scope if you lost zero scope or bases or rings are no good....

I wouldn't trust any thing Cabela's mounts to a rifle!!! Last fall I helped a buddy get his new 700 ::) zeroed for hunting season. The "gun expert" told him it was laser bore sighted and would be very close to zero at 100yds. It was over 16" left and over 4" low at 100. I think they tightened the Leupy windage adj bases after bore sighting or some thing like that. After we took it apart and remounted, using the "look through the bore" method we had her dialed in in 5 shots.

Yup, I gotta like that orange stock!!! I am Team Orange all the way. I had a 110 FP 25'06 in a Boyds Varminter Thumbole in Desert(orange), but sadly let it go before I discovered barrel swaps! :'( :'( This is my 6.5X284 Norma. Has an orange bolt handle, and orange fluted bolt body, gawdy indeed!!! :D
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took it to cabelas today. found ourt something. id you put the ring base on backwards it causes proplems...going to the range later this week to test if they are full of crap

chewy

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took it to cabelas today. found ourt something. id you put the ring base on backwards it causes proplems...going to the range later this week to test if they are full of crap

chewy

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take plenty of toilet paper with ya. don't know how you can put standard lupy rings on backwards. Front twist in and back has groves for the windage adjustment screws. Me thinks they forgot to kiss ya afterwards.

Gary

Backwards or not if everythings tight a good scope will hold zero.

yup scope problem! but these kind of things dont just happen with less expensive scopes,i had the exact same thing happen to me with a $700 nikon monarch,sent it back,and it came back doing the same thing still,third time they fixed it.

me thinks they are full of crap as well giving them a try. if fails next rangetime(next two days) taking it back demanding replacement of scope and a chance to test fire on there " expert"

chewy

Don't forget to ask before any of the monkeys touch your rifle, for their qualifying gunsmith certificate. Demand manager and explanation, why they screwing with you, your time and your money!

I officially knew something was jacked when i asked my friend ot shoot it and he had same issue. he is a far better shot than me. if he had the same issue then it had ot be mechanical. will give you guys a updated range report once I have test fired it again.

chewy

You'll be surprised, sometimes it not optics or the rings or the shooter ;-) Once in a while someone pulls lemon slip, I had one before, 5 - 6" @ 100, at the end I let store owner take it with any scope his choice, shot exactly the same, it wasn't a Savage, other company made in Japan ;-)

ok update....
finally got to go shooting today. after cabelas said they "fixed" the issue. same damn thing,
took it back to cableas they apologized and gave me a discount on a "upgrade"

I am now the proud owner of a bushnell banner dawn and dusk scope.
next weekend i will test again

chewy

Glad to hear they took care of you. You will be happy with the upgrade.