Tracking Point, 12 y/o girl, 1000yds, one shot, one hit.

Now this just took all the fun out of it!

Watch as this girl hits targets out to 1000 yds, and then a three inch disk at 500.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfpZjTOyiFA

Here's a Remington 700 equipped with Tracking point at the local Gander Mountain.
http://www.gandermountain.com/modper...i=56954&r=view

Tracking Point's website;http://tracking-point.com/precision-...mi-auto-300-wm

Wasn't sure where to put this contribution…..so I put it here because, after all, it is about accuracy.

Hope you find it entertaining :p

I'm just waiting for some kid to show up with one of these at the local long range competition.....

Fooferra.......speling?
Silly but Inevitable, just a matter of time before they figure out how to stick a battery up there b...... nose ....... so they don't need to THINK about physical conditioning either.
Who wants to volunteer to be first to jump out of a perfectly good airplane over hostile territory betting your life on that contraption?

Everybody sees the same thing but come away with a different take of what they saw.
I saw a 12 year old girl make some very good shots.
I also think if she had a different scope she still could have made the shots.
But i dont think that was the message we were supposed to get.

Technology might enhance a shooter with sound fundamentals, but it won't really replace sound fundamentals.

Shooters who understand what the "black box" is doing will always get much more from the technology than shooters who think it's magic.

First of all, I am not promoting anything here. This business popped up nearby and after reading about it in a local newspaper, I did some investigating.

If you go on youtube and do some searching, there is a lot out there already on this technology. Basically, once you "tag" the target, the scope performs a firing solution. You then pull the trigger and hold it. As you move the aim point around, it will fire automatically when it is pointed in exactly the right position. The target can be moving up to 25 mph and still be hit.

What I found interesting is that you can don a pair of video glasses linked to this technology and see what the scope is seeing, while looking in a totally different direction. You could for instance, hold the gun around the corner of a building while keeping your body's core protected, find a target, tag it, fire the shot while only exposing your hands to return fire and while capturing everything on video and upload it onto the net.

These weapon systems probably do rely on special ammunition available only at the factory, for now. IMHO, that situation usually changes quickly.

I don't think this one is tied to the trigger. I think this one is just a 700 with the fancy scope.

And if a 12 year old (GIRL) can do it just imagine what you could do big boy. lol

I actually was holding a new AR-15 with one of those things mounted to it just the other day. Pretty cool. Kinda like "Star Wars".
I still think my old model 114 .260 with hand-rubbed, oiled, dark walnut stock is a lot sexier, though!

I like technology. However, I enjoy seeing someone hit a target at 1,000 yards w/ iron sights far more than this.

I'd rather see some one using that than flinging bullets at a deer farther than they should, using the miss as a guide to hold for the next shot and then flinging another. I know things happen when out hunting to make us miss on an easy shot from time to time but if you cannot make first shot hits at least 80% of the time you are shooting farther than you should.

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Originally Posted by Jamie

I'd rather see some one using that than flinging bullets at a deer farther than they should, using the miss as a guide to hold for the next shot and then flinging another. I know things happen when out hunting to make us miss on an easy shot from time to time but if you cannot make first shot hits at least 80% of the time you are shooting farther than you should.

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I could fill a very large room with some very good shooters who would challenge you on that Jamie.
Bottom line is that if your serious about that then take your one shot then leave.
Just think, no need to be carrying around more than the 1 bullet needed for that season.

Yobuck,

You're not suggesting that Tracking Point's marketing is aimed towards threatening the male ego, are you? Sort'a like, say, the CAR or MOTORCYCLE industry??

I can see the bumper snicker now….."One shot, One kill, Real men love Tracking Point" :cool:

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Originally Posted by Texas10

Yobuck,

You're not suggesting that Tracking Point's marketing is aimed towards threatening the male ego, are you? Sort'a like, say, the CAR or MOTORCYCLE industry??

I can see the bumper snicker now….."One shot, One kill, Real men love Tracking Point" :cool:

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I think you might be onto something there with your keen observation.
Free stocking hat and face paint included with early orders.
Mean looks and 3 day stubble not included. lol

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Originally Posted by yobuck

I could fill a very large room with some very good shooters who would challenge you on that Jamie.
Bottom line is that if your serious about that then take your one shot then leave.
Just think, no need to be carrying around more than the 1 bullet needed for that season.

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I am sure you could, that doesn't make the statement any less true. Just a room full of people shooting farther than they should. I do take more than one round out because things do happen. I just try to minimize my misses instead of planning on missing.

If you want to hunt that way then have at it, it's your choice. I'm not against long range hunting by any means, just against those that are doing it when they are shooting beyond their abilities.

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Originally Posted by Jamie

I am sure you could, that doesn't make the statement any less true. Just a room full of people shooting farther than they should. I do take more than one round out because things do happen. I just try to minimize my misses instead of planning on missing.

If you want to hunt that way then have at it, it's your choice. I'm not against long range hunting by any means, just against those that are doing it when they are shooting beyond their abilities.

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There's a big difference between walking your shot to 1000 yards for the first time and taking 6 shots at a moose at 1800 yards and finally connecting with his intestinal tract and then celebrating how far your terrible, terrible shot was. One is fun, one is unethical.

Some long distance guys are too caught up in the glory, IMO.

Wow. I am with Jamie on this one. In fact, I gotta think expecting 80% hits is pretty generous. I would think/hope an ethical hunter has a better expectation of success than even that before he pulls the trigger. Just b/c stuff happens on occasion that can ruin a good shot (an unseen twig or gust of wind or something) doesn't mean I should take a shot that I don't believe is, barring the unknown, a 100% kill shot.

Before I injured my shoulder and elbow, I was a dang good "long range" target archer... could generally put 80% of my arrows into a 4 inch circle at 90 meters (99 yards), but I still passed on a broadside shot at the biggest buck I've ever seen (or anyone else in our camp of over 20 years) this past fall because, though he was standing in an open rye field, completely unaware of my presence, I did not know for sure if he was 55 or 60 yards out. At that distance, it makes a big difference. I let him walk. I know I would have made the shot had I known the range, and I was 80% sure it wasn't 60 yards, but that wasn't good enough.

JMHO, of course.

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Originally Posted by Twinsen

There's a big difference between walking your shot to 1000 yards for the first time and taking 6 shots at a moose at 1800 yards and finally connecting with his intestinal tract and then celebrating how far your terrible, terrible shot was. One is fun, one is unethical.

Some long distance guys are too caught up in the glory, IMO.

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Would 5 shots at a deer running accross an open field at 100 yds be unethicle?

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Originally Posted by yobuck

Would 5 shots at a deer running accross an open field at 100 yds be unethicle?

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Only if you're using an AR lol!

Depends, Yobuck. In certain farm country, on the opening day of firearm deer season in shotgun only zone, and there are hunters everywhere ready to drop anything that comes their way, I'd say, "Go for it". He'll likely be killed soon by someone anyhow, wounded or not.

At our more remote camp up north with 5-6 other hunters in a thick cedar swamp of thousands of acres? Hell, Yes, it's unethical! Every day of the week and 2x as bad on Sunday!

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Originally Posted by Jamie

I am sure you could, that doesn't make the statement any less true. Just a room full of people shooting farther than they should. I do take more than one round out because things do happen. I just try to minimize my misses instead of planning on missing.

If you want to hunt that way then have at it, it's your choice. I'm not against long range hunting by any means, just against those that are doing it when they are shooting beyond their abilities.

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So im gathering here that the people i know who would be present in the room would be people over their heads with what their trying to do.
And anything they can get to help them like this scope for example, would be a big plus.
Whereas someone more ethicle would be expecting at least an 80% hit on the first round. Unless of coarse something unexpected happened causing a miss.
So in the event something unexpected did happen causing a miss, how many more bullets would an ethicle person like yourself be willing to shoot before you
might become an unethicle person say like me? And what makes you think id be satisfied with your 80% figure in the first place? Is a sighter shot a planned miss?
I think if were going to be discussing the ethics of shooting at animals at long distances, we need to be adressing the whole topic and not just
the segment that touches your hot button like how well a person can shoot assuming nothing happens.

I am not a good enough tracker to risk a miss at any range. Sure as heck can't plan one.
One good thing about this system is it so expensive, few weekend warriors would actually spend the doe.

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Originally Posted by yobuck

Would 5 shots at a deer running accross an open field at 100 yds be unethicle?

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I don't know. But if you were that close and gut shot it, at least you could follow it up with a kill shot and not have the thing die 3 days and 10 miles later from having its own **** in its bloodsteam. Personally, I've only taken one game animal with a rifle. One shot went lung-heart-lung, and the second shot went spine-brain-jaw. Total time from guaranteed kill shot to complete blackness was 3-4 seconds.

All I did was make a statement about people shooting farther than their capabilities. Seems it was more your hot button as you sure got fired up quick. The 80% would include the crap that happens. I don't pull the trigger unless I am 100% confident in my shot. If something unexpected happens to cause the miss and am presented with another confident shot I will take it. If I missed and nothing strange happened then no I don't shoot again as something is either wrong with me or my setup.

So we can play "what if" all day or we can simplify it by taking ethics out, as it obvious differs from person to person, and go back to the original premise of my post. If you can't make reliable first shot hits on target then you are shooting farther than your abilities. plain and simple.

Well Jaimie lets be honest with each other here. You know full well what your comments were intended to do.
None of us can ever be 100% sure of anything as it relates to shooting at animals.
I happen to know, not think, that (much) of the bad mouthing that goes on regarding shooting animals at long ranges
comes about thru lack of knowledge on the part of those making the comments.
That would (also) apply to hunters experienced in other forms of hunting and voicing an opinion on a subject they actualy know little about.
And i'll even go further by stating right here right now that even among those involved from different areas of the country,
dissagreement on technique can and does cause arguments.
Im not sure there would be enough desire or interest here for a serious full fledged debate on the subject of long range hunting.

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I don't know. But if you were that close and gut shot it, at least you could follow it up with a kill shot and not have the thing die 3 days and 10 miles later from having its own **** in its bloodsteam. Personally, I've only taken one game animal with a rifle. One shot went lung-heart-lung, and the second shot went spine-brain-jaw. Total time from guaranteed kill shot to complete blackness was 3-4 seconds.

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Well congratulations on your first kill. I suggest you read the first 3 words of your own statement here. Because had you known, the second shot wouldnt have been necessary would it?
Be prepared because your next one just might not go as well. I can show you a few very nice racks of bucks ive killed that were crippled before i ever shot at them.
One in particular after having been traveling several days and several miles after being hit high thru the ribs with an 06. I''ll even introduce you to the very good hunter who originaly hit him and who was still attempting to catch up with him when i finished him.
Have you ever watched from almost a mile as some guy dropped a buck like a sack of rocks and have it slide down a steep hill in the snow and never even kick? And then run after the few other deer with it that ran when he shot? Well i have, and i'll tell you what, if we didnt go get the thing after the guy walked away it would have been like many others guys like that shoot, COYOTE FOOD.
We even renamed that location to stupid bush hunter hill.
Where are we going today? I dont know, maybe that stupid bush hunter will be back, lets go there. lol
We all have enough fingers to point in lots of directions including our own.

I didn't want to track it or have it suffer. I thought it was a solid plan.

Personally, whenever possible, I try to mortally wound them "just enough" to let them get just about as far as the truck, assuming they are heading towards the road when I shoot them!

Expert level.

The man not only has a B S degree, but also a P H degree. Lots of those around the hunting fraternity. lol.

What's a P H degree?

wait... does that have something to do with urine?

Well one could argue that its essentually the same as a P H D.
One just piles it higher (P H), and the other both higher and deeper (P H D). But as stated, for all practicle purposes their the same.
Im proud to say i have honerary degrees in both. Like many others today ive never actually earned much of anything.
But i can pass a common piss test.

Man…..I am SO sorry I posted this item about the Tracking Point technology, I do apologize for all the commotion that has come from it……or maybe it was the title to my posting…….12 y/o girl……….OH CRAP!

I done went and pushed a lot of buttons with that reference, didn't I?

Sorry…..so very sorry guys :apologetic:

^^^^^^ Don't be!

When I first saw that thing all these arguments for and against it went running through my head big time. and I mean ALL the arguments. It's not so much about the scope as the application of the scope. Like all tools of any trade, what matters is how you use them.

I think this has been a great thread. Yes, it got side-tracked (maybe even hi-jacked) but it's all good, as far as I am concerned.

My apologies to you, Tex, if I contributed to de-railing your thread or running down the technology.

I think if a little girl can get good first hits with the tech, then it makes her better than me at these distances. And I'm fine with guys taking 2000 yard shots on game if they can make them and the bullet can perform. I was just saying these guys on video mostly can't. I can't. I think my ammo limits me to 4 or 500 yards. And my shooting limits me to just beyond that.

Tex, I apologize for this getting so off track, didn't realize my comment would get some so fired up. I would still rather see some one using this than to fling a bullet hoping to get close. It is not for me but hey, it may help others make clean kills. I have shot game animals out past 1200 yards but only after some one else crippled them. I shoot out to 1500 on a very regular basis and am confident in my data and equipment that when I dial up for a yardage I will hit. That gets iffy for me out past 1200 as the wind gets tougher with time of flight. If I didn't like shooting so much I might would try one of those, just looks like it would take all the fun out of it for me.

Again, I apologize for getting this off track.

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Originally Posted by Twinsen

I think if a little girl can get good first hits with the tech, then it makes her better than me at these distances. And I'm fine with guys taking 2000 yard shots on game if they can make them and the bullet can perform. I was just saying these guys on video mostly can't. I can't. I think my ammo limits me to 4 or 500 yards. And my shooting limits me to just beyond that.

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Well frankly im not fine with 2000 yd shots on game Twinsen. We can easily build guns capable of those distances and more.
But frankly we run out of other things before we get there. Shooting for fun at rock ledges or other targets is one thing.
But live targets pose a different challenge. Seeing a puff of dust from a hit on a rock is easily done with good optics.
But seeing hits on an animal at distances much less than that is not. Especially under the types of conditions often present
during hunting seasons.
As for the girl, she was chosen for one reason. That being her ability to shoot.
A 12 year old boy could be taught to do the same and so could you much easier than you might think.
We might not have seen the entire video either. Maybe just the part they wanted us to see?
Time will tell, we will either be hearing alot more or nothing more.

I see you can buy it for $19,000 and it is guaranteed for 30 days! I think I'll stick with my Razor, It has a better warranty! When I first seen these I think they were asking something like 27,000? Also I still think wind call is manual, plus 500 yards, by todays standards, is diffidently not a long range shot.