recommendations: Factory Accustock vs. Factory HS Precision Stock vs Walnut Stock for a Model 11

I've sorted AICS bottom metal out for my...bottom release rifle, now I need to decide on a stock. It's hard to make independent decisions, ok? Consider this a poll, I guess.

Feel free to add your own recommendations if you have any.

My options (right now):

Factory 10-FCP beavertail accustock: (Yes I'm aware of clearance issues and regards to the recoil lug, I can reparate that.) -$79 (or even less if I stoop to eBay) - https://www.gunpartscorp.com/pub/products/1724690.jpg




Factory HS - Precision Stock: $260 -
https://www.gunpartscorp.com/pub/products/1726460.jpg

Factory Model 14 walnut stock: $140 -
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Well, the HS precision stock isn’t really a ‘hunting’ stock, at least by conventional standards. But I would say it’s the best built and would be the most solid. The accustock will limit your recoil lug selection unless you modify it, which I wouldn’t recommend. Factory walnut can be good.

Possibly you need to narrow down what features you want exactly.

One of these things just doesn't belong here. Like Rusty Said. Narrow things down. Do you want a range rifle for plinking? Do you want a shooter for bench and prone for some medium to long range target? A blind hunter or stalking gun. The AICS equipment sounds like a tactical move where the H-S is a fit. No so much on a typical hunting rig. Perhaps you can give us an idea of what you are doing, to better put you on the stock you may need.

I'm trying to put together a sort of hunting/target varmint rifle... trying to be dual purpose.

Weight doesn't matter that much.

HS makes another savage stock that is more like a varmint hunter. A little heavy but might fit the bill. Model number PSV 118

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Not saying it can't be done, but it's difficult to make a dual purpose rifle that checks all the boxes. Generally hunting rifles are light to medium weight. Varmint rifles are medium to heavy.

What you're trying to achieve can be done. It depends are what kind of hunting you're doing. If you're walking a half mile from the truck to the stand it doesn't matter if your rifle has a truck axle barrel and a concrete stock. But, if you're walking a bit then you'll appreciate a lightweight rifle quickly.

If there a budgetary reason for a one purpose rifle? If so, I'd suggest picking the rifle and stock that best fit the type of hunting you're going to do most often. If you varmint hunt year round every other weekend, then get a varmint style stock. But if you want to try to hunt a large selection of game very often then maybe a hunting stock is for you.

Not sure if you mentioned it in your post, but what size barrel does your rifle have?

Well, my game is typically coyotes, or occasionally wolves.
A family friend has a farm, and has a bit of a coyote problem, so (right now) I walk about 25 minutes from the car to a burm, set up with a bipod. I'm usually taking shots between 50 - 200 yards.
I typically go shooting every weekend, weather allowing.

I have a bit of a budget, I'm trying not to spend more than $400 USD on a stock (I'm in Canada, and the exchange rate really makes a lot of good stocks cost-prohibitive), stock alone, I'd probably be okay spending more on bottom metal on top of the stock.
I have a Savage 11 Trophy Predator Hunter with the 'Predator' barrel contour. It's about 1.5" at the shank, and tapers down to 1" at the muzzle. Recessed crown.

EDIT: I also just realized MDT was a Canadian company, and I can get that shipped here (albeit for a price) pretty easily if my other options fall through.
EDIT 2: I'm also looking at getting 10 round magazines (AICS would be nice), partially for the range, but it also doesn't hurt when tI go shooting other small game (ie: gophers maybe).

Sounds like sweet setup, the hunting and the rifle.

A chassis, like MDT, can surely help with varmint hunting. Chassis systems make attaching bipods and lights easier. However, I've yet to see a chassis weight less than 2.75 pounds. That weight, plus the varmint barrel and a decent scope makes for a heavy hunting rifle. But, it's right on the mark of a varmint rifle.

IMO, I wouldn't get hung up on the magazine. I haven't found a situation outside of a shooting competition that needs a magazine larger than 5 rounds. If I regularly experienced varmint hunting situations that required more than 5 shots I would use an AR15 instead of a bolt action.

I suggest researching Wildcat composites. It's a stock maker in Canada. They inlet for Savage IIRC. They make a very lightweight stock. I would also look at shortening your barrel to 22" or 20".

Thanks for the link, but I checked Wildcat's page and while they seem to be of reasonable quality and price, I can't find anything about Savage rifles on their page, and even if they did, these seem to be just blank stocks, and while I can do woodwork, this seems a bit much for me to do in my garage with hand tools. I think they offer a complete build, but if my math's right, this would be really, really expensive.
Ideally, I'm looking for a stock that (at most, if it's a wood stock, laminate or otherwise, I can do some finishing) is either a pre-fit one or can be inletted. I can't do much hand-work beyond that.
My barrel is already 22".

You are correct. I checked again and Wildcat does not offer a Savage inlet. I must have confused my fantasy of wanting them to offer a Savage inlet with the reality of no Savage inlet offered.

Hmm. You may be better off with the model 11 wood stock. It may require some wood working to fit your needs. I would definitely bed it if you go the wood stock route.

If your barrel is already 22" I wouldn't take any more off for a varmint rifle.

Another option I just detected: Stockade...completely forgot about them!
Semi-custom stocks for reasonable prices...the catch: I have to call them for an order, which means making a long distance call, *sigh*.

EDIT: Yep, the walnut looks enticing.

Stockade is a great option.

You can use Google Voice or Skype to call long distance... for free. No excuses not to place your order now.

McMillan is a good choice.

On the accustock note, someone mentioned that my recoil lug would have fitment issues...

Would it be too big or too small...is it a big enough difference to just mill some aluminum out or fix it in place with epoxy (make a new surface for it to sit in)?

McMillan seemed interesting for a bit, then I realized the cheapest stock I can get up here is like $1,000 minimum.​

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On the accustock note, someone mentioned that my recoil lug would have fitment issues...

Would it be too big or too small...is it a big enough difference to just mill some aluminum out or fix it in place with epoxy (make a new surface for it to sit in)?

McMillan seemed interesting for a bit, then I realized the cheapest stock I can get up here is like $1,000 minimum.​

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The difference is in the recoil lugs. The Accustock uses a wider and shorter in length recoil lug. So, when you try to put it in a regular (non accustock) the recoil lug has to be ground down width wise and also is a little short for the recoil lug slot in the stock. I've never had to work around that difference myself...
I'd think about just ordering a precision recoil lug that is designed for the regular stocks, which I ordered through Northland shooter supply (might be able to order up there).

Not sure if they will accept AICS mags or not, but have you looked at Boyds laminate wood stocks? Just a thought as they are pretty good quality and decently priced.

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On the accustock note, someone mentioned that my recoil lug would have fitment issues...

Would it be too big or too small...is it a big enough difference to just mill some aluminum out or fix it in place with epoxy (make a new surface for it to sit in)?

McMillan seemed interesting for a bit, then I realized the cheapest stock I can get up here is like $1,000 minimum.​

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That is flat out wrong, a typical hunting stock is only bout $600 on average.

Unless weight is an issue I'd go with the style most comfortable to you. I prefer a target style stock for all my shooting purposes. I can cut weight in other areas if I need to, but I'm also accustomed to carrying around a 17-20lbs match rig. so a 10-12lbs rig would feel incredibly light to me. I current have 2 rigs set up one comes in just under 18lbs the other is about 19.5lbs. The 19.5lbs rifle actually feels lighter in hand because of how well balanced it is. Unless I was going to be hiking across hills, plains, mountains etc. out west or trudging through heavy brush or bush I would be fine hiking either rig a short distance to set up on some yotes. I have a number of buddies that use their match rigs just for that anyways.

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Originally Posted by Blckwlf

That is flat out wrong, a typical hunting stock is only bout $600 on average.

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Well, he's in Canada. Factor in currency conversion rate, international shipping, taxes and possible stock customizations (different stock fill); OP could easily spend close to $1,000.00 U.S.

Also, OP could have been referencing $1,000.00 CAD not $1,000.00 US. The current currency conversion rate is $1 US to $1.31 CAD. Even without the shipping, currency costs, and taxes that means the same $600 US stock would cost OP $786 CAD.

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Originally Posted by Apollo117

Well, he's in Canada. Factor in currency conversion rate, international shipping, taxes and possible stock customizations (different stock fill); OP could easily spend close to $1,000.00 U.S.

Also, OP could have been referencing $1,000.00 CAD not $1,000.00 US. The current currency conversion rate is $1 US to $1.31 CAD. Even without the shipping, currency costs, and taxes that means the same $600 US stock would cost OP $786 CAD.

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I didn't see that he was in Canada (still don't), but that would certainly change things. The Export Permit alone is $250.

No worries! Post number 7. OP mentions he hunts on a maple leaf farm. Just kidding OP! Yikes. $250 is steep.

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I didn't see that he was in Canada (still don't), but that would certainly change things. The Export Permit alone is $250.

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No worries! Post number 7. OP mentions he hunts on a maple leaf farm. Just kidding OP! Yikes. $250 is steep.

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Cool part though is you can get that permit for multiple years and 1000's of stock, even if you don't do that many. This way you stretch that permit out so its not $250 each. Hopefully the proposed rule changes for ITAR will address this.

Anyone have any experience with Richards Microfits?

I'm looking at either a laminate or walnut... if not a savage factory or hogue (meh, hear bad things) or whatever...

Anyone have any experience with Richards Microfits?

I'm looking at either a laminate or walnut... if not a savage factory or hogue (meh, hear bad things) or whatever...

EDIT: Sorry, just figured out how to change my location...
EDIT 2: ok, that's weird, I guess I accidentally posted twice

So is Boyd's out cause the shipping is too expensive? I got a Pro Varmint for my Axis HB and like it a lot. Added some weight over the factory plastic stock (which I wanted). Not sure about the bottom metal but I bet they could come close.

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I mean, boyds might be fine, if I can find a stock shape I like. Richards is on the table only because they're less expensive than Boyds and have (IMO) better stock styles. ie this:

http://www.rifle-stocks.com/rollover.htm

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I mean, boyds might be fine, if I can find a stock shape I like. Richards is on the table only because they're less expensive than Boyds and have (IMO) better stock styles. ie this:

http://www.rifle-stocks.com/rollover.htm

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That looks like a Boyd's Prairie Hunter designed stock, at least it's very similar. I have one on a 22-250 and like it quite well. However, I do highly suggest you get some kind of stippling or checkering in the grip and for end areas as the stocks are very slippery when they get wet.

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That looks like a Boyd's Prairie Hunter designed stock, at least it's very similar. I have one on a 22-250 and like it quite well. However, I do highly suggest you get some kind of stippling or checkering in the grip and for end areas as the stocks are very slippery when they get wet.

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They are a bit similar, yes, but the difference being I can get some custom options with the Microfits... ie; a 2 1/2" beavertail forend to fit my heavy barrel.
I emailed Richard's to see if they still ship to Canada, and if they say no, I'm either going with Boyds or a factory walnut stock.

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They are a bit similar, yes, but the difference being I can get some custom options with the Microfits... ie; a 2 1/2" beavertail forend to fit my heavy barrel.
I emailed Richard's to see if they still ship to Canada, and if they say no, I'm either going with Boyds or a factory walnut stock.

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Ohhhh... the Prairie hunter won't have enough meat in the barrel channel to accommodate a heavy barrel (lite varmint at best). So, you'll have to look for a different design if you go Boyds. It looks like the At-One is the only option that's even close to the PH stock.

Good luck to you man,

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I emailed Richard's to see if they still ship to Canada, and if they say no, I'm either going with Boyds or a factory walnut stock.

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There is a possible way around this. You should be able to find a shipping carrier that will ship something from their facility internationally. You could ship the stock to the facility, which Richards probably won't have a problem with. Then carrier will ship the stock to Canada.

I'm not certain about the legality of doing this. Definitely research it. The company I work for doesn't ship internationally. But, when a customer wants us to ship internationally, we use the above process to get the product to the customer. Our products don't have any international shipping restrictions, so we're perfectly legal shipping this way. I'm just not sure how the US and Canada feel about firearm parts shipping internationally.

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There is a possible way around this. You should be able to find a shipping carrier that will ship something from their facility internationally. You could ship the stock to the facility, which Richards probably won't have a problem with. Then carrier will ship the stock to Canada.

I'm not certain about the legality of doing this. Definitely research it. The company I work for doesn't ship internationally. But, when a customer wants us to ship internationally, we use the above process to get the product to the customer. Our products don't have any international shipping restrictions, so we're perfectly legal shipping this way. I'm just not sure how the US and Canada feel about firearm parts shipping internationally.

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Trying to circumvent ITAR without the proper permits will land you in hot water... ITAR regulates rifle stocks, and you must have the proper permits to export ITAR restricted items from the US, (does not apply if they are less than $100 in most cases).

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Trying to circumvent ITAR without the proper permits will land you in hot water... ITAR regulates rifle stocks, and you must have the proper permits to export ITAR restricted items from the US, (does not apply if they are less than $100 in most cases).

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I did not know that. Thanks for the info. How does that work? Does the original shipper have to have the permits or could a shipping carrier have the permits and act as a proxy?

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I did not know that. Thanks for the info. How does that work? Does the original shipper have to have the permits or could a shipping carrier have the permits and act as a proxy?

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It is a permit that lists the type of product being purchased, who it is from, and who it is going to. It's rather specific so its difficult to have someone act as a proxy. That's why we recommend ordering form a dealer in your home country. We also will not accept money from a foreign source, and not export the stock to that person (save for specific circumstances with known parties).

For ITAR, is there not a 'small product' exemption when shipping non-FFL (stocks included) items?

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For ITAR, is there not a 'small product' exemption when shipping non-FFL (stocks included) items?

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You have to follow paragraph one, or paragraph two along with all three qualifiers under paragraph 2, yes.

I still had issues with the state department even when I was covered by paragraph one. (cranky people over there)

If you are considering a Hogue Aluminum bedded stock like I was, forget it. Great idea in theory, (Perfect shape, weight and quiet) but I got mine yesterday after waiting 3 weeks for it and found a bunch of polymer mold flashing (run-over onto aluminum parts) covering part of the rear receiver channel. Thinking I might have gotten a bad one (just my luck),I contacted Hogue and sent pictures of the affected areas. They compared it to others on the shelf and said that it was normal. They wanted me to try and mount it to see if there were any centering issues. I told them that I wouldn't bother and returned it. Now the search is on for something else. I'm surprised there are not more choices out there by now.

I've contacted a local importer to see if I can get any stocks without causing any ITAR issues...

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I've contacted a local importer to see if I can get any stocks without causing any ITAR issues...

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fatcat, send me a PM and I'll send you a list of people in Canada that might be of assistance.