Like the title says. This got discussed a lot a few years ago. I have a 7mm SAUM large shank barrel that I'd like to drop into a long action receiver.
IIRC for a while some LA savages were in large shank as well. But these days? Anyone know? Or know a source for just an action. That would be even better, but I've not been able to find one.
Looks like the 375 Ruger is LA Large shank. But the prices for a new gun just to get an action are pretty steep.....
The SAUM started in Small Shank, but quickly went to Large Shank. All SAUM cartridges now are in Large shank actions. But that doesn’t matter. You can run a SAUM in a Small Shank, Long Action with no issues. But having a Large shank barrel, you are limited. I’m not certain if they are currently made in long actions, aside from the RUM’s.
The 375 Ruger models are large shank long actions as are the 338 Lapuas and 300 PRC's. Those are the current production models that come to mind. The 375 Ruger model, I believe the Alaskan Brush Hunter, will be the cheapest of the current models, most likely. Other than that, you might be able to find an older RUM action. They were small shank to start with too before switching to large, so you'd have to look at it to be sure.
Here’s a used one. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/920815646
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Yes, but.... Buds Gunshop has a new stainless 375 Ruger Bear Hunter with accustock, accutrigger for $875. Gunbroker has a lot of dreamers.... (seller wants $850 for a beat up 300 RUM)
I think I should look over the used gun racks at Cabellas regularly (currently pretty empty, but patience may pay off). OTOH, I could buy the bear hunter and throw the barrel in a corner for a future bear hunt. Ought to kill elk too. Wife says no new guns though. Gives me permission to rebuild, modify etc. But cannot enlarge the gun safe. And its packed already.
Jeez I just got my 111 300 Rum for 480. And it looks very new, compared to that one.
Forgive my ignorance, are the current 300WSM rifles not large shank?
Yes the current WSM models are large shank. But they're also short actions. The OP is looking for a long action that's also large shank.
Ah. I saw the 7saum part and missed the LA part.
Thank you.
Since 2003, any Savage chambered for a cartridge with a particularly fat parent case such as 404 Jeffery or 375 Ruger will have a large shank barrel. The change to large shank for these cartridge types began in 2002 but not all were converted in that model year. This article says G-series SN and later should all have the change. But the author used the word “should.” Because Savage.
https://www.savageshooters.com/conte...el-Shank-Sizes
So for long actions in that time period, RUM’s, 300 PRC, 26 and 28 Nosler should have large shanks (I used the word “should” too; because Savage). There’s evidence that some 7mm RM were made with large shanks. Maybe some other 375 H&H-based LA too. They are exceptions but they are out there.
My 111 300 Rum was made in that range, small shank.
Interesting. Is it a stagger-feed or center-feed? If stagger-feed, is it a CRF or push-feed?Quote:
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Centerfeed 3 rd. Seems like pushfeed. Guy on youtube, has the exact same rifle with serial number 2 rifles from mine. Who-tee-hoo I think.
Out of curiosity, have you ever experienced sticky or even stuck extraction issues? Maybe with some of your hotter loads? That’s the reason Savage is said to have switched to large shanks for the “fat” magnums.Quote:
Originally Posted by qtropwr
Have not shot it yet. Just got it a couple weeks ago. Plan was for the action, going to rebarrel in a a heavy varmint.
So I went and double checked the feed. It's a staggerfeed, which is pretty ridiculous for a 3 rd magazine, but that being said, the stock is pretty shallow .
Why do you need a long action? The cartridge was designed to fit in a short action, hence the name - Short Action Ultra Magnum!
Just buy a Model 12 short action target action and be done with it.
He may want to be able to seat the bullets further out than what will fit in the short action magazine, but still wants a repeater.Quote:
Originally Posted by Txhillbilly
I'm wondering when Savage will make Target actions again. I'm looking for a dual port and everybody seems to be sold out.
I haven’t heard they stopped manufacturing the PTA. For whatever reason they’re not on the website. At least I can’t find them. But they are still listed in current PDF catalog. I did a quick search using the MPN and found an RBRP with .223 bolt head at Vizard’s:Quote:
Originally Posted by bridgeport
https://vizardsgunsandammo.com/savag...tion-savage-1/
Anyway, it’s labeled as “In Stock.”
If you don’t normally search using “Savage MPN” give it try. Seems to work for me.
There you go bridgeport, scoop up that dual port action!
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That would be correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by efm77
But I have since given up on a LA Large shank. Partly, because I realized that I would need to re-throat the barrel to allow for longer seating in the LA. The barrel was originally throated specifically with a dummy cartridge that allow seating of the 180 VLD such that it would just barely fit in the Savage internal box magazine. Savage SA are a smidge longer than Remmy, so it really didn't look that bad. I've started to question heavy VLD in the 7mm Saum. I think I'll try some lighter bullets and give up on the 1000 yard stuff. It doesn't hurt that in the meantime I have a 7 RM that is shooting the 195s good. So why try to achieve the same trick with the 7 SAUM??
Anyhow, thanks for all the discussion fellas. Shilen is sending my Saum barrel back today. They scoped it, reheat treated it, recrowned it, and agreed with me that they could not find a reason it was not a better shooter. I'm going to try again. This time in an XLR SA Chassis. Maybe my pillar bedding in the Boyds laminate stock was faulty..
Not my preference, but I just thought of another option. I haven't seen it discussed in a while, but I know some smiths have done it. You can take the large shank barrel and have it turned down to the small shank size. Then it will fit in a small shank action.
Requires someone that really knows how to set up a lath. There is not enough material to remove old and start new threads. You have to re-cut the old ones exactly or risk tearing them. If the 2 lathes do not match your going to have stress fractures.Quote:
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Agreed. Another option that's more doable is having the small shank receiver re-threaded to large shank. That's actually pretty easy for a good smith to do. I've had that done a couple times with great success.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Avenger
I ran across this same problem when I decided to build another .338 Edge. Long story short, I just bought a brand new .338 Lapua 112 Magnum Target. I paid $899 and the rifle is a 3 bolt single shot solid top action with a red target trigger. I always prefer single shot if I plan to run longer heavier bullets.
Decided to run the factory .338 Lapua barrel for now and see how it shoots. I did increase the freebore so I could run 300gr SMK and Bergers without them being jammed too far into the case. You can rent a throater for about $40.