New Ammo Mfg for 17WSM

There is a new mfg of 17WSM ammo. American Eagle brand is selling ammo with an "F" head stamp. It is 20gr ballistic tips with 3000 fps claimed velocity. This is great news for owners of the little 17WSM rifles. It means first that Winchester might have some competition and maybe, there will be ammo that is more consistent and accurate and AVAILABLE!!! Not that mine was that bad before but it is often inconsistent. I just bought a box of the new stuff at my local gun store. Hope to go to the range this weekend to try it out. This also means that we are not hostage to the whims of Winchester. American Eagle is who, Federal? I always have better accuracy with their center fire and 17HMR ammo when compared to Winchester. Who knows, maybe they will get it right.

I mean, try shooting 1/4" 50yd groups with any Winchester 22lr ammo. I cannot, but shoot them all the time with Eley, Lapua, RWS. By any measure most Winchester rimfire ammo is aimed at the lower end of the market spectrum. That don't mean this new stuff is better but it cannot be much worse, lol. And if is IS BETTER??? Whoo Hooo. Time to go to the range.


Irish

No sign of that around here yet.

American Eagle is made by Federal Cartridge Co., owned by ATK, who also owns Savage...currently the only outfit to make guns in 17WSM.

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Originally Posted by sharpshooter

American Eagle is made by Federal Cartridge Co., owned by ATK, who also owns Savage...currently the only outfit to make guns in 17WSM.

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Yeah, I just learned that Savage and Federal were both part of the same conglomerate. It made me wonder why Winchester was making the ammo in the first place? I know they have their little rolling block rifle, but...

Now if we could get CZ or Anschutz or Remington on board with another rifle?

Irish

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Originally Posted by JG26_Irish

Yeah, I just learned that Savage and Federal were both part of the same conglomerate. It made me wonder why Winchester was making the ammo in the first place? I know they have their little rolling block rifle, but...

Now if we could get CZ or Anschutz or Remington on board with another rifle?

Irish

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The trade in value of the Savage Bmag would plumet over night.

I was told by the top brass at Savage that Winchester would not by any means let the rights to this cartridge be had by any manufacturer in the Freedom Group.

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Originally Posted by sharpshooter

I was told by the top brass at Savage that Winchester would not by any means let the rights to this cartridge be had by any manufacturer in the Freedom Group.

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Apparently they changed their mind.

No they didn't....ATK is not part of the Freedom Group.

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Originally Posted by Rooster 50

The trade in value of the Savage Bmag would plumet over night.

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I forgot to add............it already did.......the sorry POS.

actually Franklin Armory and Volquartsen make a 17 WSM rifle :)

now to get my hands on some the AE and Hornady ammo :)

Interesting that with my purchase of the new SS Bmag yesterday he put a box of 25 and 20 grain on the counter and asked if I wanted them too? I said a Xmas gift? Ha Ha Nope 24.99 a box.. This whole thing has gotten out of hand. I can buy 223 cheaper by far and able to reload. Its like you have the word Sucker stamped on your head if you ask about the 17b-Mag. They must not read or see competition like Bass Pro or Cabalas prices.

Finally found some Winchester out my way at Reliable Guns in Vancouver. HE at $20. All US ignore as they don't ship between our fine countries.

I see there is a Hornady branded box of 20 gr ammo now. Is that manufactured/loaded totally by Hornady? Not just the bullet?

Hornady is supposed to be putting them on the counter sometime early this year. More competition is better.

I e-mailed Hornady and they are making them

Its good that you confirmed that they are producing the ammo. So many rumors have floated around it is hard to believe anything anymore. I have a friend who bought one of those 1700.00 B mag autos. Maybe I should sell him some ammo??

So do you guys really think Hornady has tooled up to manufacture in-house rimfire ammo ? Especially the 17WSM ?
Meanwhile they are behind on orders for many center-fire calibers. I smell something fishy.....lol.
More likely.... they supply bullets and powder to someone else...just like the rest of the Hornady rim-fire line and American eagle brand .
Good stuff ...Hornady....I love it......but not sure I believe it. That's just me

From another forum........not just me, see post below.

now the good news is that hornady is making wsm ammo, hornady / cci of course, and what better opportunity to capitalize on a market of 99% savage bmags. they have the answer.

when a shell ignites you have to consider the ignition rate. Winchesters wsm ignition predated savages bmag barrel. hornady's wont - they'll dominate the market. the ignition of the shell can be, how do I put this without a picture, multiphased or bimodal distributed. it happens so fast a bimodal ignition wont matter, except for that frequency. tingggg. their ammo will cancel out that standing wave. hornady is positioned to dominate the wsm market, until Winchester weighs their lost revenue against redevelopment of their wsm powder ignition rates.

its all a cleverly played game of chess. hornady/cci always had a solution, but to introduce it too early would shorten the grievances of Winchester customers. holding back a few yearly quarters on the solution ammo promotes deep brand recognition benefiting hornady, not just for the wsm but other calipers as well.

think about it. what company dominates 17 caliper rimfire ammo? hornady/cci with the hmr. they rule the 17 caliper research and development. check mate.

More food for thought at,
http://www.longrangehunting.com/foru...9/index37.html info at

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Originally Posted by gsperaz

From another forum........not just me, see post below.

now the good news is that hornady is making wsm ammo, hornady / cci of course, and what better opportunity to capitalize on a market of 99% savage bmags. they have the answer.

when a shell ignites you have to consider the ignition rate. Winchesters wsm ignition predated savages bmag barrel. hornady's wont - they'll dominate the market. the ignition of the shell can be, how do I put this without a picture, multiphased or bimodal distributed. it happens so fast a bimodal ignition wont matter, except for that frequency. tingggg. their ammo will cancel out that standing wave. hornady is positioned to dominate the wsm market, until Winchester weighs their lost revenue against redevelopment of their wsm powder ignition rates.

its all a cleverly played game of chess. hornady/cci always had a solution, but to introduce it too early would shorten the grievances of Winchester customers. holding back a few yearly quarters on the solution ammo promotes deep brand recognition benefiting hornady, not just for the wsm but other calipers as well.

think about it. what company dominates 17 caliper rimfire ammo? hornady/cci with the hmr. they rule the 17 caliper research and development. check mate.

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Not arguing your point but I have 3 different 17hmr's and they all shoot their best with Remington ammo, not Hornady.

I guess they are all different, my 17 Hmr (sorry Marlin) is a tack driver with Hornady and does not care for Remington or Winchester

lost my e-mail but from a earlier post I made on the 17 WSM

No, this is not Winchester ammo in a Hornady box. It is our ammunition.

Thank you,
Hornady Sales Team

I just scored some federal a/e ammo in 20 gr for my hb bmag

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Originally Posted by Sniper Steve

I just scored some federal a/e ammo in 30 gr for my hb bmag

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30 grain?? I seen 20 and 25 in Winchester but never heard of 30.

???? curious myself, only AE ammo I have seen and have a little of is the 20 grain

Man I hope that's true. A little heavier bullet would be a nice addition to the 17wsm lineup

make that 20 gr! sorry fellas

LOL I figured that was a typo :)

scored 5 boxes of the AE 17 wsm myself :)

Have you shot the new one yet?
Been to cold for me to be accurate up here. when its below 0 I shake to much.

nope cold and snowing here, I kept but a$$ inside lol
first warmer day we get though I am going to fire off a few

from Hornady this morning

Thank you for your email. Unfortunately, we do not have a tentative production date established on this new item, yet. We apologize for the wait and inconvenience. Please continue to check back with us on this. We appreciate your patience.

Thank you,
Hornady Sales Team

My bet is that with Hornady making .17 WSM the accuracy we get from our B-Mags will increase. Maybe not fix the problem 100% but will for sure be more consistent. I can not wait and hopefully it won't all get gobbled up and sold for 3x the price like the rest of the .17 WSM

instock

http://www.basspro.com/Federal-Ameri...4121608022442/

Got to try some Am Eagle, but certainly not bellyaching about performance of either the HB B-Mag or the new Franklin Arms AR type rifle with the Winchester stash.

Put a Boyd stock on the HB B-Mag, and haven't touched a thing on the Franklin.
The AR hasn't "missed a lick", as in absolutely no glitches in operation so far.
I guess they didn't ship them, until they got it right!

where did you get you franklin and how many $$$ :)

Anyone in the Central Kalifornia area: BassPro in Manteca, CA has Win. and American Eagle 17 WSM in stock. Quite a few boxes of Win. but only a few A.E.

I've just shot two mags of the AE 20 gain and the winchester both in 20 grain. My result are much the same as irish's maybe a couple more flyers with the winchester but no noticeable change.

I'll take the time to say that at 100 yards I'm still hitting in side a 3 inch box of the "shoot 'n see" target almost all the time. One group less than 3/8 of a inch! Maybe you are a better shot than I, but I find this pretty damm good for me. Today here ( buffalo ny) is cold snowy and lite winds. I'm sure that on a quiet sunny day this little rifle will be fine, and my shooting better.

i do like the 17 WSM it good to see other companies make this ammo too, more and different style of rifles are always welcome

had no time yet and bad weather here also :) been snowmobiling on any time I have had off :)

Anyone hear anything out of hornady? I figured since spring is here the ammo can't be far away now.

Anyone hear anything out of Hornady yet? I figure with spring being here the new ammo can't be far behind.

today from Hornady
Thank you for your email. Unfortunatley, we do not have a tentative date for this item at this time. We apologize for the wait and for any inconvenience this is causing. We appreciate your patience with us on this.

Hornady Sales Team