Does $1800 SOUND LIKE A FAIR PRICE for savage 10 fcp with scope?

I am looking at a Savage 10 fcp 308 hs precision stock with 24" fluted threaded 5r barrel item#19056
with an after market muzzle break (receipt says $160) with a buschnell elite scope 6-24x50 (seen from $800 to $1000 depending on where you look) and has less than 200 rnds. down the barrel. With every thing put in it would be around $2300 to $2500 to buy from scratch. the Guy was asking $2000 but was able to talk him down to $1850.
Question is does this sound like a fair price? I feel it is a little steep. The gun brand new is around $1000 to $1100 online and about $1300 in stores where I live. Any advice would help

Not bad for what your getting. I'd have to ask though, WHY is he getting rid of it? Welcome to the forums.

I'd never pay that much for it. There's a used Savage 10FCP .308 on Gunbroker ending today starting at $699. Even if the scope is Bushnell's Elite Tactical G2 FFP, they run just over $800 brand new. I'd take a used Sightron 10-50x60mm SIII for $750-$800 over the Bushnell any day. Used Bushnell Elite Tactical scopes, unless illuminated, run around $600. I'd need to know more about the muzzle brake, scope base and rings, but I'd never pay over $1,400 for it. I'm a tough buyer though, but I know I won't loose much if I decide to sell down the road.

You can build a nice rig for 1800

The scope is illuminated, and the base is a one peice ( can't remember the name) were in the ball park at around $120. Done quite abit of research and have found the fcpk with accustock and muzzlebreak for around that $700 mark but this particular model is inherently more expensive with the 5r rifling and hs percision stock. The cheapest used gun I have found is around $1100 online.
The guy is selling because he owns a gun shop and is looking to get rid of a few guns to pay for a kids college tuition. The fact that he own the gun and is not just a consignment worries me a little because I know he is emotionally vested in it.

Don't let the R5 rifling guide your decision either way. It's not that big or a deal. Cut rifling, air gauged and hand lapped if button rifled are much more important. As one member mentioned above you could build a new rifle with a match barrel for about the same price. Just buy any used or new Savage short action rifle with a nice HS stock and throw on a Shilen SS Select Match barrel from Northland and you'll shoot .25-.5 MOA groups all day long if you take the time to work up a load for it. You'd probably get $100-$150 for the factory barrel on this forum.

Not sure if you need or even want a muzzle brake on a .308. That scope is $800 brand new, so still $600-$650 max used. If your heart is set on this exact rifle, I'd still spend a couple hundred more and buy brand new. I know Bushnell will require the original receipt for any warranty issues.

the scope is the deal breaker, you are probably not going to get any support on it.

How is the scope going to be a deal breaker?

If I had $1800 to spend I wouldn't be buying this rifle. I kept my eyes out here on the classifieds and ended up picking up a Model 10 the was already Cerakoted, bedded in a Manners Stock, had a fluted McGowen Barrel, Tuned trigger, and a Badger Ordnance One Piece Scope rail for $1100. I broke it down cleaned it up, re-barreled, and put a Vortex Razor on it for Precision Bolt Rifle Matches. That scope doesn't make the deal for me!

You can almost get a bare minimum custom build done for $1800.

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Originally Posted by shuva

How is the scope going to be a deal breaker?

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well my friend only one way to find out,
call bushnell and tell you have problem with this scope and if you can send it in for service.

If the owner runs a gun shop and is an ffl I'd be very surprised if has more than $2000 in it brand new. I know I could buy everything for $2000 or less if I took the time to catch a deal or two on gunbroker, here on this forum, buds, ebay, etc.

Is it possible to back out of a deal if I have already put down the money and in the middle of my 10 day waiting period. ( I am in comi-fornia)

If the seller agrees. Why not? Maybe he's entitled to some sort of small fee for the paperwork he processed.

I say build one for that price. 250 for a action 350 for barrel muzzle brake of your choice 400 for stock and leaves plenty for a scope.

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Originally Posted by Stockrex

well my friend only one way to find out,
call bushnell and tell you have problem with this scope and if you can send it in for service.

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I bought a used elite 6-24x50 that did not track properly.
Even told Bushnell I bought it used and heavily discounted and would pay for repairs. They sent me a brand new one, No charge.
They may slack on there cheap stuff but they stand behind there elite line, like the quality scope it is.
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That being said a deal's a deal and if you already made one I would never recommend backing out unless something was misrepresented in the original deal. When I shake a man's hand, look him in the eye, negotiate in good faith and reach an agreement..........that's it! I see it threw.
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If you had not already done so, I would have considered:
You can build a smart full custom for 1K if your careful........hog hunter rifle $475, -barrel and stock=$400ish/ +choate stock $230/ Apache GW barrel $220 or mcgowen or shilen at about $320, SSS recoil lug $30, weaver picitiny base $40, Ross brake $40..........400+230+220-320+30+40+40=$960-$1060.
Add a fresh bushnel ET or sightron SIII and your right there in the same price range brand new.
Without having to worry if those 200 rounds were fired "rapid fire". Weather or not sloppy cleaning damaged the crown. If it was properly broke in (if you go for that kind of thing)Or any of the other possibilities that come from used guns.
Not to mention changing whatever you want along the way.

My main thing is, at this price am I being taken advantage of? I was hoping to pay about 1450 to 1500 out the door but the guy would not budge. I do like the fluted barrel to lighten up the weight a little, the threaded barrel is nice as well. I prefer the hs stoke over the accustock on the new mmodels. All and all its discounted by about 20% of what he put in to it. I just don't want to be played a fool.

I don't think you are being played a fool.

I think you are paying full retail.

I also believe there is nothing dishonorable about asking a retailer to consider allowing you to return an item you have not yet taken possession of. Particularly if you are willing to fairly compensate him for his time and service. If he agrees, he may be establishing an even better relationship with you and the possibility exists that he will earn even more business from you in the future. If you don't ask, he will not know how to best serve your needs/wants as a customer /client.

Don't get me wrong I am not saying it's dishonorable or evil. I'm just saying I wouldn't do it.
I do think if you have doubt it should be delt with before making a deal but many of my perspectives are not shared by average folks anyway so.......judge accordingly.
I also agree with foxx, "I think your paying full retail."
Not the bargain of a lifetime but not played either.

Op, sorry, I did not know that you already committed to the deal.
I would talk to the seller and tell him that he is asking full retail for a used gun and then negotiate a better price in good faith. Check if Cali law allows you to back out of a tfr.

next time just say NO to impulse purchases :-)

I have backed out of 1 firearm deal, it was with cabelas and the m1 garand was hacked by the seller and I told them I did not feel safe shooting it, took it back and got my money back. had they refused, I would have taken it back home without any complaints, well might have bit$$ed for a year about it.... ;-)

After my experiences with Bushnell scopes and their nonexistent CS, I wouldn't give you a nickel for it.

Caveat emptor, or buyer beware, definitely applies to the OP's situation. Also, it is my humble opinion that something is only worth what someone else is willing to pay for it. Prior to starting this thread, the OP obviously agreed to the sales price and felt it was a decent deal for the rifle. If you can honorably back out of the deal without losing too much $$$, go for it and consider this a lesson learned. If you can't back out of the deal, consider this a lesson learned, and enjoy shooting your new rig! We've all paid too much for something at some point in our lives. In the future, do your research and educate yourself as a consumer, your enjoyment of your purchases will increase!

Thanks guys for all the info, it helped a ton. Talked to the guy today and expressed my concerns. He was willing to work with me, he kept the same price but threw in a new harris bi pod, and a new pelican case and a set of butler creeks scope covers along with about 100 rounds of some match rounds. Figure it was probably around another couple hundred dollars worth of gear. Feel much better about the deal. Once again thanks for all your knowledge guys. Picked it up this morning and can't wait to take it to the range this weekend

You did good!

Excellent. Glad to hear it.

I am new here and may get jumped on for this-

I have been burned before with purchasing a rifle sight unseen and untested by ME.
You can't ask how it shoots and get an accurate answer. What may be a "tack driver" to the seller may be a sprayer to you.
Why is the rifle being sold with only 100 rounds down the barrel? In fact, how do you know it is only 100 and not 5000.
Any bore damage? You won't know until you examine it.
Was it broken in properly?
Is there anything wrong with the scope?
Was any work done on the rifle? By whom? If someone with my skills, it might very well be a hack job.
About 100 more ifs.

I almost pulled the trigger last week for $1000 on an almost new Savage 12 in .223, target Accu-trigger, single shot target action. I asked myself the above questions and wound up purchasing the same rifle NIB (on its way right now) for $1,170. I will break it in and not take someone else's possible problem child off his hands for him. The $170 spread (about 13% more) is worth my peace of mind.

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Originally Posted by Fotheringill

I am new here and may get jumped on for this-

I have been burned before with purchasing a rifle sight unseen and untested by ME.
You can't ask how it shoots and get an accurate answer. What may be a "tack driver" to the seller may be a sprayer to you.
Why is the rifle being sold with only 100 rounds down the barrel? In fact, how do you know it is only 100 and not 5000.
Any bore damage? You won't know until you examine it.
Was it broken in properly?
Is there anything wrong with the scope?
Was any work done on the rifle? By whom? If someone with my skills, it might very well be a hack job.
About 100 more ifs.

I almost pulled the trigger last week for $1000 on an almost new Savage 12 in .223, target Accu-trigger, single shot target action. I asked myself the above questions and wound up purchasing the same rifle NIB (on its way right now) for $1,170. I will break it in and not take someone else's possible problem child off his hands for him. The $170 spread (about 13% more) is worth my peace of mind.

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Me, too. And I have bought quite a few used Savages. 10-13% savings for any used gun is not worth the price, in my book. 25-50% might be, especially if the only concern is the barrel. Then you must consider the cartridge. Is it a known barrel burner? If so, you might have to assume the barrel is shot-out. So factor in the cost of a new barrel. Is it obviously a .308 hunting rifle that looks good? Might not need to be so concerned about the round count.

I'll say this, I have bought and shot over a dozen used Savages in the past year, most of them over 20 years old and they all shoot dang near .5" or better with good hand loads. If they didn't I'd trash the barrel and try another. No big deal. Target rifles would e a different story, but you still have to consider the cartridge and the reputation of the seller.

Same hear.
Generally speaking I don't buy used unless it's about 50% and then I assume it is going to need work and still have reservations.
The only reason anyone sells an almost new "tack driver" is either A:defective product or B: they don't know how to use it or C: there desperate for cash.
I completely understand why some folks take the chance to try and save a buck but I hate the what if game.

My math in post 26 above also takes into account shipping included from the NIB seller vs. added shipping from GB seller.

As alluded to above in other post(s), please note Savage clearly states in its manual for my rifle to not use military surplus rounds. It is probably the same for other calibers. A GB buyer has no clue whether that stuff was shot, or in the case a .223 whether the 5.56 was shot or if custom loads what may have been overdone in the charge.

I have no experience with Savage customer service, but any of the above will give Savage a chance to say the warranty is void. If you buy used, you have no way to argue if they pin the cause of user breach of the warranty.

Yes, there are certain advantages to buying new. As for voiding the warranty, it is practically impossible for Savage to prove what kind of ammo has been fired and there is almost nothing you can do to alter a rifle that does not void the warranty. That does not mean Savage or any other gun manufacturer will use that as a reason to get out of properly addressing valid warranty claims. They are a reasonable company with good, inexpensive products and good customer service. But in all things, buyer has to also take responsibility for his actions and decisions. I think the OP and the seller did just fine with their final transaction and suspect the two will continue to share a fare and profitable relationship.

foxx-

"...As for voiding the warranty, it is practically impossible for Savage to prove what kind of ammo has been fired...." The problem is that Savage doesn't have to prove anything. It is not worth the time or energy to pursue a legal claim on a warranty issue unless someone was injured or worse due to a manufacturer's defect.

Certainly we have gone down a different road than the OP with this tangent. As I said, I have no experience with Savage warranty responses. I, do, though, with CZ (which has a superb reputation on warranty claims). It ain't all that it is cracked up to be.

My apologies for hijacking this thread.

Thread was dead.

And I dont think we hijacked anything. We are discussing the merits of buying used and how the OP evaluates the deal he made or might make in the future.

If so, my apologies as well.