It has been oft-rumored, but browsing the Savage website looking for SHOT releases I noticed that when you click Stevens 200, it says "Not available at this time" and it is not shown on the "List Firearms" page.
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It has been oft-rumored, but browsing the Savage website looking for SHOT releases I noticed that when you click Stevens 200, it says "Not available at this time" and it is not shown on the "List Firearms" page.
Hmmm me thinks you might be right...
I think they are messing up by taking it away. With a few added extras these gun are very good in my opinion. I don't understand why some of the major stock makers do not do more for this rifle, absolutely ridiculous trying to find a good aftermarket stock at an affordable price for the 200.
You can use any Model 10 stock on a Stevens 200 short action, and any Model 110 stock on a Stevens 200 long action.Quote:
Originally Posted by jraney
They use the same stocks as the 10/110 Savage, for which there's a plethora of stocks available....Quote:
Originally Posted by jraney
I'll take the 200 over the Axis any day.
The Savage 11/111 Hunter XP is basically a top bolt release Stevens 200 action with a black DBM stock instead of a blind magazine stock. Plus you get a very cheap Bushnell scope for around just under $400 street price. With the Axis now filling the just under $300 street price point and selling like "hot cakes", my bet is the Stevens 200 is history.
Thanks for the advice about the stock I was unaware of this I think I will check on some this evening. As for the axis this is my opinion in which I am entitled to. They axis is ugly plain and simple the stock, the bolt handle , and the action but that is just my opinion. I am sure there are others who would disagree that is fine I also understand that looks do not affect accuracy. With all that said I think my next savage will be from a pawn shop probly, surely I can find something close to what I want there.
My guess is they know a person can build a great rifle from a 200 and they want to sell you a great rifle instead - for more money.
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Just checked the site....it definitely says "Stevens; Not available at this time"
Was there no industry announcement? This is the end then.... Give me a 200 over the edge... sorry Axis any day.
Down under we had the short action stevens discontinued when the Axis hit the streets, so now we can say bye bye to the long action (300wm/7mmRM).
Its interesting that the local forums rave over the Remchester 700 while dump on the 'cheapo stevens'....however the second hand market rarely see a stevens 200....(while littered with 700's!)
Just found a stevens 200 in 25-06 a few weeks ago at a LGS new in the box built in 2006, got it for 350.00 bought it for a 6.5x55 build I will do in the future, must not be good sellers to have around for7 yrs.I'm happy with my find so it might take years to sell all of them already out there just sitting on a shelf waiting for a new home.
The main reason for Savage to discontinue the Stevens 200 is the price it costs to build them and the price they can sell them to make a profit. As others have said, the actions is the same as a 10/110 so the price is the same. The axis was designed to be manufactured at a lower price point so Savage could offer the Axis at a price point comparable to the cheaper bolt action rifles that the competitors are building.
What are the differences between the Axis and the Stevens?
The Stevens 200 uses the same action as the Savage line, but in a cheaper stock and without an Accutrigger. Late 200s used the same trigger as the Axis and early 200s used the pre-Accutrigger Savage trigger. The Axis has a long action only with a trigger guard that also serves as a spacer on short action calibers. On short action cartridges the bolt has a spacer to shorten the bolt throw. The Axis has a very flimsy stock, much flimsier than a Savage/Stevens line which is also too flimsy, and it is very narrow at the wrist. This is why Axis owners were so glad when Boyds announced a laminate stock for the Axis.
The 200 doesnt sell because in my experience anyway, the retailers move the stevens to the back, dont promote them and scoff when a punter walks in and asks for one. Why? Simple. they can sell a 700 and make twice, sell a sako and make multiple times more on the sale.
The difference Axis to 200/110; main diff being the action cutout for the recoil lug. this creates a non-consistent pressure around the nut-action interface, can this be a good thing? it couldn't aid things....
Say it isn't so! I love my 200's. Got another new one in today :)
According to Charles and his escapades at the SHOT Show earlier this week, the Stevens 200 is gone as are all the Stevens rimfire models. Makes sense and the writing was clearly on the wall for the Stevens 200 as it really didn't serve a purpose or fill a role anymore since they have the Axis line now. And with the Axis models reportedly going to be getting the AccuTrigger it really makes it a no-brainer to discontinue the Stevens 200.
And I've never seen a single Stevens rimfire rifle on a shelf at a dealer. Not surprising considering they were just the low-end Savage rimfires without the AccuTrigger.
The Stevens 200 was a Savage with a different name on the bolt. Best buy in hunting rifles ever made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tnslim
Looks like it's "dead" unlike this "thread". I'm a poet and didn't even Know it.:caked:
Hey! Some of us got "feelins" here! How about a little sensivity! ;-((
Last night I got a call from my BIL, he is selling a High Wall in 300WSM that he has, and part of the compensation the buyer is offering is a Stevens 200 in 22/250 with 3x9x40 Nikon BDC, a Harris BiPod, & 50 rounds of ammo. The buyer wants $400 credit toward the purchase for the package. My BIL is a Remington 700 fan, so he called me for advise and offered the package to me. After thinking about it last night and reading the sad news above, I called him back this AM and told him I would take it. Now knowing my BIL, I know he is going to make a few bucks of me in the deal, never the less, I feel I would be remiss if I do not take advantage of this. Let the "excessive compulsive behavior" continue! Oh well-the money I have spent lately on brass cases has kept me away from brass poles ;-((
Tha's a pretty good deal FW. Hard to pass up.
So answer me this: What benefit does the Stevens 200 have over the Axis?
Pros:
- Can swap barrels on both
- Both accept Savage pre-fit barrels
- Aftermarket triggers are available for both
- Accutrigger can be adapted to both
- Aftermarket stocks are available for both
- Axis is offered in both LH and RH versions
- Axis will get the AccuTrigger from the factory starting this year
Cons:
- Both come with crappy synthetic stocks
- Both come with horrible, non-adjustable triggers
- Both only offered in one magazine configuration from factory
- Stevens 200 only offered in RH version
So yeah, what's the difference if it's a Stevens 200 or an Axis when they're essentially the exact same thing?
And since I know some know-it-all will bring it up this argument: no the aftermarket stock options aren't as wide-ranging for the Axis as they are for the Stevens 200, but you can get an Axis stock for most any kind of shooting you want to do - including benchrest and F-class.
Long action 30-06 and a short action 243, both brandy new Stevens 200's :p
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To turn it around- why would Savage introduce the Axis, if they were already selling essentially the same thing? Are there cost savings somewhere?Quote:
Originally Posted by J. Baker
You can't compare a Stevens to a Axis. Stevens's a 110 action to start with. The stock is synthetic but stiff. Factory trigger is better, blind mag but that's my preference. I guess others too as they load their Axis as a blind mag.
Why they selling Axis and stop Stevens? Bigger profit margin, Axis isn't a 110.
I think the Stevens rifle acted as a loss liter. In other words they took a profit loss to fill a void in the market. The Axis is produced to be more profitable for Savage.
A Stevens mod 200 is the same as a Savage 10/110 action. Maybe Savage felt the Stevens 200 line was cutting into the Savage 10/110 sales. The new owners of Savage withdrew the mod 200 to increase Savage 10/110/111/etc sales. Now you really got to ante up if you like the Savage 10/110 action by buying the more expensive Savage main line of rifles. Since it's a recession most folks will be stuck with the cheaper made Axis if they can't go the Savage 10/110 route. The Axis is hardly a Stevens.
When the Stevens 200 debuted, the cost was about $100 less than the next priced model 11. The cost difference to produce the 200 was only $11.00 less than the model 11, but the profit margin was lower to compete with Marlin and Mossberg. The Axis, or Edge as it was originally called, initially cost $50.00 less than the Stevens 200 to manufacture. It was later disclosed that the cost was more like $75.00 less once production got into full swing. The cost of the Edge rifle when it first came out, was the same as the cost of the Stevens 200 when they came out. It's all about the dollars and cents....
Put that way; why even make the Edge? The 110 Stevens action is superior to the Edge.Quote:
Originally Posted by sharpshooter
Non adjustable trigger??
As far as why introduce the (at the time) Edge was to produce the entry model stevens type of rifle CHEAPER. It was certainly a cheaper to produce rifle with more plastic and castings and shortcuts like the cut out lug key-way. The RRP was 10% as I recall below the $404 of the stevens....
The intent of Savage was to DELETE the 200 back then, I'm sure the rumours abounded, even on this forum back then. Savage however kept it in the lineup with a wide array of chamberings which they started culling a few years ago (removed the 7mm08 and others)
The way I see it 'we' got a few more years out of the stevo 200 than we would have otherwise.
Cons on Axis -No magnums, short or long
No aftermarket bolt handles (that I know of )
Stuck with factory recoil lug
No adjustment on firing pin
Scope base choices are less
The first two calibers to go in the 200 series were the 25-06 and 7-08, even if they stopped making them tomorrow, there are a lot in the pipeline left especially the wholesalers, that and they will popping up for sale new or hardly used for years to come.
Dean
At Buds you can still buy an 11 or 111 complete with throwaway scope for for $339.00, so that is the route I will take if it comes to that.
Dean
Because of the profit margin, it cost less for Savage to make the Axis. The same cost was for the "consumer" not the manufacturer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mach2
I find that hard to believe about the cost, they have had the tooling for the Stevens 10-110 for god knows how long, retooling and setting up a new production line, takes a long time to get back your ROI, the Stevens 10-110 comes down to only raw materials and labor.
Dean
Hope your right Dean as I have multiple builds floating around in my head all starting with Stevens 200's.Quote:
Originally Posted by scope eye
I don't think the distributors have any.Quote:
Originally Posted by 03mossy
The only reason the Stevens was ever introduced is because Savage was getting throughly beaten in the economy rifle market by things like the Mossberg, Marlin, etc. The profit margin was tiny for the Stevens rifles, so its day have been numbered ever since production of the Edge started.
But, I can't say I'm bothered much. If I'm looking for a build rifle, which is what a lot of us were buying the Stevens 200 for anyway, I can pick up nice used 10s and 110s for under $300 after every deer season is over. Just since modern gun deer season ended here in KY, I've already seen several nice AccuTrigger and flatback 10/110s selling in the $260-$300 range. The trick is just waiting for the first 4-8 weeks after hunting season ends. If you're not going to use it for a build rifle, an Axis with AccuTrigger could be a better choice than a Stephens 200 anyway. Just my $.02
Looks like the 10FP-SR and 10FCP-K have also been discontinued....?
Guess I'm glad I got my 10fp-sr when I did. Found it at Buds for $600
just picked up my new/used steevo, had been hunting for a 308 for a while, even came with boyds laminate pre bedded.....very happy.
checked on the savagearms partsfinder date-of-manufacture finder thingy....it was made on my birthday!
Sad to see the 200 go......