Glad to hear that you like it. I also found the Australian Outback ammo to be gtg, especially at half the price of the Federal.
Did you figure out what about the magazine was causing your feeding problem?
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Glad to hear that you like it. I also found the Australian Outback ammo to be gtg, especially at half the price of the Federal.
Did you figure out what about the magazine was causing your feeding problem?
I haven't looked into it. The LOP for me is just about right. Maybe a bit on the long side for shouldering the rifle, as I sometimes catch the butt pad coming up.
What kind of brake is that?
Midwest Industries
http://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/...tegory_ID=1265
How much was shipping?
I have a range update -
I went out with the new magazine and put 80 rounds through the rifle. I shot mostly steel with cheap 147 ball ammo, but also put some on paper also. The 147 NATO stuff was 1.5-2" groups, but not too bad. I put 20 rounds of Australian Outback through it at the end of the day, but didn't manage to shoot better than 1". Might just be fouling from the previous rounds and me shooting poorly.
The replacement magazine did not come out under recoil, so that's a good thing. I think the first one may have just been too far out of spec. I still got one double feed with a full mag, but I only loaded it to 10 three times. I just don't think that they can reliably run 10 rounds.
I've got about as much ammo through mine as the rifle cost. I still haven't figured out how to get MOA out of her.
But in good news, I cleaned the bore of my MVP and the accuracy returned. The first 20 shots all were under half in groups and it was hilarious. Every once in a while you luck out and that 1 MOA gun puts up silly little groups.
My 110 in 338 LM gave me 0.96 and 0.97 with a powder change. I have 199 rounds through her and will begin tweaking the load by first loading longer and then fine tuning the charge. I just did the math on what it would cost to buy 200 rounds and chuckled.
my rifle loves Portuguese ammo … MOA or less when i do my part . Hey Twinsen , my MVP varmint 223 , is insanely accurate and thats with wolf gold believe or not .
Same ammo here. I did well in a high power competition using it. I found out after I would have been kicked out for using 55gr if they had known.
So, after my 2nd time out with the new Savage, here are some results. i am pretty happy so far. 100 yards, 168 gr Federal Gold Sierra MatchKing[IMG]http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/...ps825a65d2.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/...ps19414972.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/...psa9dc94e1.jpg[/IMG]
Hey guys, great sight here.
I was on board with one of these rifles for a long range project until I read this.
I was planning on dropping this action and trigger into a chassis and re-barreling in 260 rem.
This solved the bottom metal issue and I need AICS mags anyway, so no problem there. I was planning on keeping or selling the stock and barrel, even the bottom metal and mag.
But now, I don't know if the action is even worth buying.
The Cabelas model is what I was about to purchase. They are shipping one to my store so I can buy it.
Tell me if this is still going to work or not please.
If not, I still may go with the FCP-SR just on line instead of the Cabelas version.
Thanks in advance!
I don't get your question entirely. Are you thinking that the bottom metal will work for you? Because the new Savage metal doesn't work with AICS mags. If you're getting rid of everything but the action, I would not bother with the FCP-SR in either version. I'd just get a cheaper 10 model. You'll also get a stainless bolt that way, which are a little smoother out of the box, in my opinion. By the time your FCP bolt is smooth, it'll be missing half of the black finish anyways. The only thing that the FCP-SR action will get you is the extended bolt handle, which you can probably swap for less than the price difference.
If you're going with a chassis, just get the cheapest model 10/11/etc you can. Probably the hog hunter.
You can swap the bolt handle of a Savage in 2 minutes and they're cheap.
Thanks for the reply's.
acridsaint, I was going to remove the bottom metal entirely. The Chassis has bottom metal for AICS built in.
Twinsen, The FCP-SR was the cheapest I could find.
It was $550 after rebait at Cabelas.
Now I am thinking of just choosing a different model as you have suggested.
Thanks for the suggestion of the steel bolt. I will do that.
Also I am new to Savages and Bolt guns in general but not to high round count shooting.
I want a good 1000 yard gun that bucks wind and stays flat with extended barrel life.
I choose the 6.5 based on those criteria and the 260 because I would like to add a gas gun down the road.
I'm open to any suggestions you have, I will be adding a suppressor at some point and a comp immediately, so a threaded barrel is needed, but can be done locally.
The gun that inspired me is a model 11 with a criterion barrel shooting 1/3 MOA.
I think I have decided on a 24" barrel mostly for the suppressor, do you think this rifle dropped into a chassis will work for what I want?
http://www.tombstonetactical.com/catalog/savage-arms/19130-10-predator-hunter-rifle-260rem-24in-3rd-max1-camo/
Or should I follow Twinsen's advice and choose the hog hunter and replace the barrel as well?
I would also like to stay with the top located bolt release, but I think one of my chassis options allows for trigger guard bolt release.
Thanks guys, I feel like I have been drinking from the fire hose on this project. Lots of info out there that is not necessarily linear.
Mods, If you want to break this post off into a new thread, I'm fine with that. Other wise, I will start a new topic called "help me build a long range rig"
Thanks in advance.
I don't know enough to comment fully, but it sounds good to me. Just FYI, the Hog Hunter comes with Top bolt release and is pretty cheap at Buds
If you aren't locked into shooting 308, I hear lots of good about 260 Rem across bolts and gassers.
I only shoot 308 because I always have.
This is my first post. If i say something out of the way dont kick me off, just tell me.
Hey fellows I am a new member just from researching my problems with the 2 fcp-sr I just bought today at Cabelas.
I am very disappointed in savage and in cabelas for this bait and switch type tactics. I looked it up on the savage website and it all looked awesome. I did a review search and they all showed the older version of the fcp-sr and they all were good. I read several reviews from i am guessing paid people to review guns. I called Cabelas and they ordered me two new fcp-sr's in from other stores. I did not look the gun up on their website, because I didnt think it would be any different than what I read on the savage website.
I left cabelas i was happy. I thought I had just bought a quality product at a decent price. 2 for under $1200. I thought I had done good and I was gonna give one to a guy that works for me as a gift and we were gonna have a blast building us two awesome shooting machines. He works so hard for me I was gonna pay for the rifle and nightforce scope and a couple of supressors. we are gonna do a complete build of a couple good medium range guns. Just to say thanks to the guy for all he has done for me and my business. All good intentions and I am still happy at this point
The first thing I noticed when I got home was the stock was real flimsy. I thought man this accustock aint much. So I started looking for aftermarket stocks that we could build our guns with. Never found one they all said it wouldnt work with this magazine. I thought that was wierd.
I was still looking and ran across this thread.
As I have recently learned from this thread I have been screwed I think. So far I have learned I do not have a good stock, and because of the magazine and the recoil lugs, I can not get one. I have an inferior magazine that there seems to not be a fix for.
So what can I do now. I liked the platform and I still do. I would like to complete these builds on these 2 guns I just bought.
So fellows what can I do now? I dont want to give a inferior gun as a gift to my best employee. What can I do to fix these issues? I dont have time to read all the internet because I run 3 business's and I dont know who to call to get the right magazines and bottom metal to make them work and I dont know where to get a good aftermarket stock to drop this gun into that will work with whatever magazine and bottom metal it takes to make it work.
Can someone help me with this please. I do not know what to do.
Note to savage and cabelas:
I have a whole new outlook on cabelas and on savage as companies. There is no excuse for savage selling a product that is different than on their website. Had I have done extensive research I could have saw on cabelas website that I was not buying what I saw on the savage website but I am a busy man. I run my business's ethically and I would never put one of my customers in a situation where they would have a feeling like I have right now about two seemingly good companies. I am not bad mouthing either of your companies, just a real customer review from one CEO to another. I know your bottom line is important, I know how a profit margin looks when you cut cost. I also know that you would have made a lot more money off me if I had of gotten what I thought I was getting. I cant really say bait and switch because cabelas updated their website before I made my purchase. But dealing with two seemingly respectful brands. I didnt think I had to research either of you like you were a bunch of crooks.
God says I am supposed to forgive you and I do, I wish both of you the best. I hope you learn from your mistakes and grow stronger in your jobs and your ethics. Getting screwed out of $1200 will not ruin my life, matter of fact it will not even noticed out of my pocket. God doesnt say that I ever have to do business with either of you again. Matter of fact, I probally owe you a thank you, I would have given both of you eight or ten thousand dollars over the next year or so. I think you have saved me more than the $1200 I just lost. Never as a ceo or as a consumer or a man have I ever been let down on the number of levels that you both have made me feel rt now about eithr of your business's or your ethics. I am very saddened with this experience and you may have got me this time. But lets not forget, I have what you want. Your whole business plan is to get money off of me and I can tell you, that will be almost impossible after today.
If either of you want to call me, or write me or meet me in a dark parking lot in the middle of the night ill give you my contact information.
John Salyer
264 robin circle
Bristol Va 24202
1-276-971-6041
I think any chassis for Savage Short Action 4.40" action screw spacing will work. They usually take AICS pattern magazines. Magpul is now making an AICS pattern magazine for like $30. If your rifle comes with the new 10 round Savage magazine, it should have factory Savage bottom metal. That would also mean you can use pretty much any Savage Short Action 4.40" stock as well and keep your magazine bottom metal. There are some very cheap stocks out there.
I think all the short actions are 4.40" now.
Would somebody who has purchased a new 10FCP-SR from Cabelas (who I note has now updated their website to show the rifle as "non-Accustock") please post the SKU number on the rifle box?
The first two posts in the thread detail the sku. Google Savage 22442.
Let me rephrase...
I am well aware of the SKUs on Savage's website, and I also aware that the Savage website shows an Accustock.
Cabelas is selling a 10FCP-SR that looks identical to 22442; but without an Accustock.
I want to know THAT sku number...
Alright guys after getting a few phone calls from my post and my wife staying on the phone all day, Cabelas is going to buy back both the rifles I bought from them yesterday.
I am sure glad I ran across this thread. Thanks to all who have posted good information and have helped me out. If they hadnt of offered to buy them back I was going with a carriage. But now I am going with a new gun that hasnt been near a big box store. Enough of that for me. I may be a slow learner, but still a learner.
Thanks Maverick
I looked the FCP-SR up on Cabelas web site it does not say its a 22442 and In Big Bold Print it says NON Accu stock, They nor Savage is trying to rip anybody off, If they bought both rifles back, Then they went above and beyond customer service wise. I can see the mistake happening but they didn't do it on purpose to deceive anyone. They and all Sporting Stores have items made at discount to sell in their stores. Today you do have to read the fine print on everything and double check before you leave the store that its all there and in good shape. Glad they made it right for you, Good rifle if you get the right one , If you find one to buy better check it out Ive been waiting for 45 days and still no word on one. So if someone has them on hand better look at it real good, Ive been told another month or two easy before I get one. They are that new and my LGS deals with one of the biggest distributors in about 4 States.
I haven't posted on this thread yet and also I've not read all the post but it sure seems to me that savage and cabelas made a bad choice marketing a cheap rifle after savage's prize winning FCP-SR. It seems that someones judgement was way off on this one. Unfortunately I think this was a joint venture by both parties. The original FCP-SR filled a niche in the shooting world that was kinda unique to the average shooter. Everybody that bought one gave great reviews on it. I wanted one and because I'm a southpaw I called and ordered one in left hand and what I got was "top notch". But I had them change so much it really became a custom build.
Now people that have heard how great the FCP-SR was and still think is, are buying them and are not happy.
When a company uses the same name for one product as they do another but changes the sku # to let you know its changed, I think is a little misleading to say the least.
The Cabelas website only very recently (the last week or so) changed to reflect their 10FCP-SR as "non-Accustock".
Prior to this, there was absolutely no way to denote the difference and handling the rifle in the store, the only way to notice was a lack of an Accustock sticker.
I kinda feel like this is akin to getting an Audi R8 with a Jetta engine; sure it says its an Audi, but it sure doesn't have all the parts of one.
For those who ordered Accuracy Mag bottom metal, did it come with the longer screws? The AM website says the kit doesn't come with any screws and that you're supposed to use the original ones (but we know those are too short)...
Yeah, they came with the screws.
And retailer product descriptions are accurate nearly half of the time. I take the name and check the manufacturer's info and reviewers on the internet. Was I supposed to believe my 10 FCP-SR was going to look like a white box with a red x? That's what the picture shows.
This bait and switch reminds me of Remington teaming with maybe Dicks Sporting Goods and maybe another chain two years ago. They marketed a low cost Remington 22 bolt action for the Black Friday/ Christmas market but used a previously used model number of a very popular, high quality Remington, maybe 511 or 521, I don't quite remember. Many folks assumed the old Remington was brought back into production but one picture made it obvious it was a cobbled together low-end Marlin XT series. There were plenty of unused models numbers in the 500 range but they purposely re-used a model designation to lure buyers.
Alright, First post here please be easy on me.. I am in the market to get my first non milsurp bolt rifle and prior to this thread I knew I wanted a FCP-SR, but i'm confused. Are all the "new" FCP-SR rifles plasic magged cheaper rifles, or is it just the Cabelas version? I dont mean to derail, but i've turned down a good deal on a Hog Hunter 308 because the FCP-SR seemed like JUST what I wanted. I wanted the RBM but thought I could save some money from buying it seperate/piecing it together. I guess I dont want to buy this rifle twice. What do I need to buy to get a good reliable mag system, and not drop big cash on a chassis? sorry if I missed something, I'm new to the Savages. Sorry if I derailed a little bit... Thanks.
hi i just got a 10 FCP-SR in .308 from Bud's Gun Shop. paid about $620 for it. check out my post a few pages back to see the pics of it and pics of some shooting results. i just took it out again today at 100 yards and remain very happy with the results from this "budget" rifle. this is an out of the box sub moa shooter (at least at 100 yds) and i am not anything special as a shooter. make sure you get the Accustock and Accutrigger version of this. check stock numbers carefully.
i highly recommend this gun for a budget minded shooter. my buddy, as i noted in my first post, just got a much more expensive Remington 700 XCR Tactical also in .308. so far, the Savage is shooting a bit better than his i would say. this is using the same ammo as my Savage (Federal 168 gr SMK Gold Match and Aussie Outback SMK 168 gr match). i shot his rifle today and the Accutrigger in the Savage is far better in my opinion. he is going to have to drop about $200 to fit an aftermarket Timminy in his to improve it.
i am posting my last pics of the latest results to illustrate what this rifle can do. Aussie 168 SMK at 100 yds off a front and rear rest. 5 shot groups. The Federal groups even a bit better,
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Thanks for the reply swadiver! Still a sexy rifle in my book... I had seen your post before and several others that were pretty positive, but it just seems like there is a lot of inconsistency. If I get the version with the accustock, does that mean it will fit into more aftermarket stocks? I plan at some point to change the stock, but just want to buy a rifle that leaves me with several options. Are any of the rifles made that accomodate the AICS mag, or are those just the older ones?
Man, you are asking the wrong guy those questions. I am a Savage newbie. i believe from what i read on this forum, there are aftermarket stocks that fit this rifle. as for the mags, again from reading here it is only the older 10 FCP-SR that take the ACIS mags. I guess different bottom metal is available that allow the use of ACIS mags in this new model. best check with the much more knowledgeable guys on here about these questions.
as for the stock mag, it is working just ok, still a bit finicky on the last round being feed and i have only loaded a max of 6 rounds into it so far.
It seems like I've got the answer - and I don't even own one yet - they're impossible to find.
The Cabela's ones are garbage. Period. No AccuStock, no AICS mags.
The SKUs on the Savage site are the new/"good" ones (24" 22441 & 20" 22442) - with AccuStock and AccuTrigger. They also do not take AICS magazines. They take some garbage Savage mags that don't load reliably.
You *can* put Accurate-Mag Bottom Metal $206 on for it to take AICS mags (and hopefully the new Magpul ones). Accurate-Mag bottom metal was the OEM for the 2013 FCP-SRs. The only problem with the Accurate-Mag version is that their website says they do not include screws. According to Twinsen, the factory screws are way too short so you're off finding your own screws. I just ordered Accurate Mag metal for my future rifle today and don't know if it comes with screws and the website description is wrong. Does anybody know the length and thread of the action screws for the Accurate-Mag bottom metal (including threaded and non-threaded portion - or does that not matter)?
So you can see that Savage took away the AM bottom metal and painted stock from 2013 ($1000+) to a cheaper version in 2015 to save costs or they know that many will be putting this action into a chassis or something.
hey guys the accurate mag comes with the replacement screws . i had to trim mine down , they were too long , easy install and now i can comfortably load 10 rounds . i have the 22441 model .
raygun, thanks! I hope the set I just ordered comes with screws.
I have been reading this thread for a while. I was set on a Remington 700 sps Tactical when looking for a rifle. I was shown the Cabelas FCP-SR. and liked the way it looked. I quickly researched it later that day on Savages website not knowing there was a difference. Anyways I am new to bolt gun shooting and just trying to figure out if any other stocks would work on this package. I would get the bottom metal for a new magazine. Any help would be appreciated.
for those looking for one with Accustock and Accutrigger
http://tooeleshootingsupply.com/shop...ge-arms-22441/
only 4 left $625
Thanks! Hope I got one... Ordered one and the site still says they have 4.
Haha I ordered one too! Thanks for passing that along!! Hope both of our orders are filled!
PS- my wife doesnt know this purchase has happened... pray for me! :)
Sweet, mine just shipped!
glad you both got one. it's a cool gun. enjoy