looks very tight after 1 shot.
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New to Savages and this forum but saw this thread and had to sign up.
This is how I see Savages changes to the FCP-SR. I see Savage only improving
from the prior design. Let's start with the digital camo, I read in numerous threads
that folks were peeling off the camo by simply removing the Savage stickers that
come on the stock when new. Savage sent new stocks sans stickers to these folks.
I personally prefer black and not to worry about my camo peeling. Second, the new
mag well and magazine do not rattle like the prior FCP-SR. Third, The Bolt knob is much
larger and more tactical. I can only assume the MSRP drop was to compete with similar
rifles on the market. All I see is basically the same rifle but with these improvements.
I mounted a Harris Swivel Bipod and have a Bushnell Elite Tactical G2 that needs mounting.
I'll take some pics when I follow up
I just bought one and wish I had seen this thread first. I based my purchase on old reviews. I also think the black stock is nicer looking and was excited to see that they offered a black one, but I didn't know that it came with other "feature changes".
They have deleted the 20 MOA EGW base and replaced it with a 0 MOA Savage base, I don't see how that is an upgrade.
The magazine doesn't rattle, but it's definitely not an upgrade. Where can you buy better magazines than the Savage mags? Because mine is terrible. The old version accepted AI magazines, which are pretty much the gold standard for quality bolt gun mags. My Savage magazine is difficult to insert, the follower is junk, and it effectively holds only 9 rounds. If you shove 10 rounds into the magazine you have two options: wait 5 seconds for #10 to pop out or quickly shove it into the mag well and prepare for a double feed.
I've been helping out another member via PM with the mag replacement.
Accurate Mag offers AICS style DBM for the Savage Accustock inlet. The one they shipped me came with a front action screw too long for the job and told me to hacksaw it down. I did, and then touched it up with a file. That made the switch take 30 minutes. 25 minutes on the screw, 5 for the rest. It fits right in the stock.
Black is the worst color possible for hunting as game animals see greyscale for the most part and black doesn't exist in nature. This means your black rifle sticks out worse than anything else possibly could. Also black in central Arizona means hot enough to boil water in the summer. No bueno!
If the stock magazine had beefier feedlips and a no-tilt follower, it might work.
Hey Twinsen. I will probably end up replacing it with AICS compatible metal, but I felt burned by it because the magazine factored into my purchase. I was thinking "Wow, what an incredible deal on a rifle that already comes with AI style metal and mag". I think that it was a little underhanded of Savage to do that.
I was very angry at first as well. Now I feel I have paid a fair price for a rifle. I was buying a $650 Savage I figured would be on par with a FN PBR at $6-700. Turns out it required $950 to get to a rifle I think is only a notch or two below that $6-700 FN. So I only got a little boned out of a few hundred dollars, but I learned to check Savage model numbers and to not do business with Grabagun ever.
When dealing with gun retailers and manufacturers, you can't be hasty. Take a step back, think about how they might be trying to pull a fast one. Because you can be sure that they are trying to.
Also, meant to reply before, Twinsen in this thread has the exact same magazine problem that I do. 2 people doesn't make a reliable data set, but I haven't seen any positive comments on the new magazines except yours.
Totally agree with your advice, Twinsen. It's not the end of the world, I just surely don't see the changes as upgrades.
The savage being as good as the fn I think is an opinion, either way. I've shot several fn-pbr's and I wasn't impressed at all, nor have I ever seen them for $600 with a 10 rd mag. However they do have a smooth action and crf, but the ones I've shot would not shoot with my savages. They weren't lousy shooters, I'd say 3/4" gun on an average. I've owned at least 5 savage fp's and 2 fcp's which would be a comparison to the fn, and all of those fed reliably and where .5" guns easily. But I may be a little bias.lol
My SPR is silly, silly accurate. The smoothe action and CRF are what I appreciate most as I don't reach out past 600 yet. The 4 round mag they come with works great. I can single load by plopping a round on top of the feedlips. A ten round mag would be a call to CDI. In fact any modification would be a call to somebody with a machine shop.
The 2015 FCPSR I have has a very clunky action. It would be worthless for any competition. But it is for hunting so pfff. I discovered it runs best if I run the bolt with my thumb on the left side and fingers along the handle.
Its a Savage - to be expected.Quote:
Originally Posted by Twinsen
It'll get better after running the bolt a few thousand times, and there is some minor polishing you can do to the bolt body cocking ramps to make things a bit better.
I would like to correct my previous post, the base is an EGW. It is not 20 MOA, it is 0. No markings to the contrary and no cant. Recent posts on here and other forums also confirm that people are no longer receiving 20 MOA bases.
Just posting this for clarity and future readers.
This has been awesome to watch the transformation from a (sub-par) factory rifle to a nice hunting rig. Thanks for sharing. Should have known it would be accurate regardless of it's cosmetic quality though.
More importantly, you'll have zero problems with the 110 FCP HS. You will absolutely love that rifle.
Thanks.
I'm still thinking it's 50/50 whether I like it. It's all up to me though. Can I stand the blast, noise, and recoil? I'll find out. The rifle itself seems really freaking nice. We'll see if I have the balls to fire it accurately.
So, I recently ordered a Savage 10 FCP-SR from a local gun shop here in NJ. I'm the type of person who researches things to death before pulling the trigger, and I thought I had all my ducks in a row with this purchase as well. Somehow I stumbled upon this thread tonight, and I'm starting to think I may have made a mistake! This is my first bolt-gun, and I wanted something that I could mess around with long distance target shooting, with a tacti-cool look.. I was all over the Remington 700P, except I couldn't find the gun anywhere and the recent trigger recalls turned me off. So, I checked the Savage website and stumbled across what I thought was an amazing rifle (10FCP-SR, .308, 24") for only $650! Now I'm wondering if I purchased junk :mad:.
I already started researching the mag solution from Accurate Mag, but I'm pissed that I'd have to spend $200+ when a 10rnd detachable mag wasn't even part of my original criteria! And the 0MOA rail on the gun is also a bummer. I was planning on getting the Leupold VX-6 in the 7-42X so I can really try to develop some long-range skills over time. I don't think that scope has enough elevation adjustment without the 20MOA rail for 1000yd shooting, am I correct? Am I going to need to get a 20MOA rail?
And what about the threads? Is this typical of Savage, or perhaps just a random issue? I was planning on getting a PWS PRC compensator/Brake to screw on. Am I going to have problems with the darn thing staying on?
Ugh..
It could be worse. You almost bought a new remington. I have some complaints about this rifle, but it isn't rusted, the trigger is good, it can hit the broadside of a planet, and it doesn't AD.
I thought I was getting a cyber monday deal on the last of these rifles. Turns out they just dropped MSRP and cheaped out on the rifle.
I don't know if other Savages have terrible threads. But these are some nice class 1a worksmanship. The technical term for how accessories fit on them is "all wibbly wobbly".
If the features that they deleted are really important to you then I think you won't be entirely pleased. The biggest issue for me is the magazine, because I don't want spend the extra money on bottom metal that I thought I was getting and it's a waste to buy a second 10 round Savage mag.
Mine won't hit the range until Sat., so I don't know about accuracy or the threads. It tightened up just fine, but does seem loose until it gets close to the end of the thread.
It's not junk, but it's not what all of the raving reviews were talking about. I'd say it's roughly worth what I paid for it as long as it shoots.
If you own the rifle then why do you keep asking other people to call Savage and verify? Is yours 20 MOA or is it not?
Mine is not:
http://i.imgur.com/IApjldJ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/vrxGPkg.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/aL6IXRQ.jpg
Sorry for the poor caliper photos. I didn't have a way to hold them and snap the photos and didn't feel like setting up the timer.
Let me Google that for you:
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You can almost never go wrong with a Savage, and this tricked out Model 10 FCP-SR will most likely be judged as best in class among out of the box rifles.
http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/sava...ew-gun-review/
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my initial impressions on shooting is i absolutely LOVE this rifle!!
http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f...ood-bad-49127/
That last one is for your mag complaint. More than one user noted that other, non-Savage-branded, AICS mags fit and did not rattle. They are nicer and cheaper than the Savage mags. The only ones who would to convince people that Savage mags are better are Savage themselves, maybe.Quote:
The Accurate-Mag fits a bit tighter when fully loaded and drops free easily when empty. This mag still rattles a bit, and that my bother some, but reliability is king for me—the Accurate-Mag does not effect feeding at all. The mag I used did not rattle, but it did not drop free on occasion.
http://www.tactical-life.com/firearms/savage-10-fcp-sr/
Here's nutnfancy's video including the FCP-SR:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GimLxdHYhGQ
There are more, but hopefully that will give you a starting point for your research...
everything you posted I have seen and then some. I don't have the time to copy and paste from the forums but the complaints about the old rifle have been plenty.
Everything Savage did to the new rifle fixed those problems. As for the nutnfancy video, he covers more than the savage FCP-SR.
this link alone should tell yah how bad the old mags were. http://rapidcasekicker.com/rck-space...savage-fcp-sr/
I have read and heard from countless reviews that the mag rattle was a joke!
Nutnfacy covers two guns in that video, yes, including the... FCP-SR. Because he talks about another Savage rifle his opinion of the FCP-SR has no validity?
If your sole criteria is magazine rattle, you've got me. The old Savage branded ones rattled. Of course, if you expanded your criteria to things like reliability, ability to actually hold 10 rounds, aftermarket availability or price then you might think differently.
See above.
If you had read what I posted instead of just trying to tell the world how wrong everyone was for being unhappy, you would see that I like the black stock. The black stock is what pushed me over the edge in buying one because I thought the digital camo looked terrible.
I've also never said that it was a crappy rifle. I said:
You asked me to point you to one raving review, I pointed to several. Next time, you may want to word your request better. Here's an example:
"Dear sir/ma'am, I respectfully challenge that you provide even one review that supports the point that you have just made. Should you be able to produce said review, I will, however, have to ignore it, reply with pejoratives, or simply pretend that I never made the request."
I purchased my FCP-SR a couple of years ago. The first thing I noticed was the magazine rattle. I built the spacer to stop that problem and then I took it to the range. I used a Horus scope first and then a Vortex Viper PST FFP to sight it in. Both me and another shooter could not figure out where my bullets were hitting. We boresighted it and then took it back to the range. It was then that I found out that it is indeed a 0 MOA rail. I used all of my elevation in my scope just getting it on the paper. As you can tell I am OCD about my guns and not having any elevation (only about 8 clicks were left) on a gun which I wanted to use for 1000 yard shots made me very unhappy.
I shimmed the rail to adjust 20MOA. (a little bit of math, but nothing a good calculator couldn't handle) You can see at the back of the rail scope rail (at 1:15 in my video) there is a little silver piece between the rail and the receiver. That is a two part shim and bedding compound (JB Weld) that consists of two valve clearance adjustment gauges (0.38 and 0.36in if I recall correctly) to mathematically zero the scope so the lowest setting of the reticle and the bullet impact point were the same. Now I have full range of my scope and my zero at 100 yards is 1 inch high, but it is at the natural hard stop zero on my scope. I have the full range of elevation to reach out and touch the target.
Overall, I am happy with the rifle.
My review, the bottom metal is not very high quality and the magazine, while similar to a Accuracy International mag, is not interchangeable. The trigger is great and the stock is great. The threads are tight and my compensator stays snugly in place.
Overall, would I buy it again? I don't know. I think I might just build one from the ground up. (http://www.westernshooter.com/2009/1...age-rifle.html) I don't think I would buy bottom metal from the company that makes it for the Savage rifles, the tolerances are too loose and in my opinion not up to the quality I would want in a $1000 rifle.
The spacer does relieve the magazine rattle, but it is something that should have been fixed in the original design. If you have any questions please let me know.
Aaron
President of TitanRCK
Designer of the Savage Spacer and the Rapid Case Kicker.
Hi Aaron,
You say that the bottom metal is similar but not interchangeable with AI mags. Did you have some AICS mags to try with it? Reports are that the original FCP-SR ran with Accurate Mag AICS style mags, Ruger Scout AICS style mags and I thought both Accuracy International and McRee's mags as well. This is all from Internet reports, of course, I have no experience with it since I didn't get a rifle that can take that style of magazine.
And, it's a long shot, but do you know of anyone who makes working 10 round magazines for our new FCP-SRs?
The Accuracy International magazines have a bowed part at the front of the magazine that makes them incompatible with the bottom metal. Admittedly I only had one new AI magazine from Midway USA but I even hammered that rounded part down and it would not fit. The Accu Mag (http://accurate-mag.com/magazines/) is the company that makes the magazines and allegedly the bottom metal as well. If I was going to get another I would get only the Accu Mag or the one made by them and branded as Savage.
I will borrow a friend's Ruger Scout magazine and see if it will fit and report back.
Aaron
AI-pattern magazines will not work with Savage factory bottom metal (ie. what comes on the new-for-2015 model 10FCP-SR).
They will work, however, with Accurate-Mag, CDI, or PTG bottom metal that utilizes AICS magazines.
Aaron seems to have a pre-2015 model that cannot accept AI-pattern mags, so that's why I was asking him.
Aaron, make sure that the scout magazines are the metal ones. The plastic ones are reported to not work.
They also might not work with the rattle eliminator installed. Might be that AM mags are undersized.
As for the mags, reliability is the most important thing about a mag. Everything else is a distant 9,000th place concern. Capacity could also be important if you are going to be competing. The 9 round Savage magazine won't cut the mustard for that. Besides, we can fix a rattle. I'm not gonna spend a year of my life trying to make a bad magazine reliable. Nothing is harder in a repeating rifle than designing a magazine.
The Accuracy International (AI) magazine would not fit in in my FCP-SR WITH or WITHOUT the Titan RCK Savage Spacer. It was a matter of the length of the AI magazine was greater than the length of the opening in the bottom metal. My rifle was purchased in 2013 and the magazine is stamped Accu Mag on the side. I have not purchased another from Brownell's or Midway USA because the price and the spotty availability of the Savage OEM magazines. If I was to get another, it would only be a factory OEM mag. Anything else I would worry it would not fit.
I was under the impression that AI mags would fit and it was one of the reasons I purchased this rifle, disappointed that was not the case.
As it stands I have sold a couple of hundred of the spacers and had nothing but good feedback. Twice it has been sent back because it didn't fit, but when I got the spacer back it was a manufacturing error and it would not work on my magazine either. I sent out one that fit on my magazine and the buyer in each case was happy. So I think the magazines are the a consistent size (probably made on a CNC sheet metal bender) and the inability of the AI mag to fit was because it is actually longer than a Accu Mag.
BTW, will I always be required to do the "Prove you're a human" thing?
I think it takes 4-5 posts to get rid of.
Not knowing where you got the mag or what the history is, can I ask if you know if it's an AICS magazine?
I found their PDF laying out their mag types and compatibility:
http://www.accuracyinternational.com...%2008%2014.pdf
The magazine that I tried was the Accuracy International 6955 (from your PDF) with the lip on the front. However I hammered the lip flat (I used to be jeweler, I can assure you my work was perfect) and it was still too long. The over all length of the magazine was too long for the bottom metal
Although the 3902 appears that it would fit.
Thanks for the additional info. I think that the 3902 is what pretty much all third party AICS mags are patterned after. Hopefully you can get a Ruger mag to try.
The AX AICS is their pistol grip chassis. The rifle cut off on top of that poster is an AX or AX chassis.
Judging by that poster:
6616BL = 10rd 223 mag for AICS
3901 = 5rd 308 mag for AICS
3902 = 10rd 308 mag for AICS
I honestly didn't know they made that many mags, but it doesn't shock me. I'm American, so I have this crazy notion that we should try to standardize things and not over-complicate them to death.
I look forward to Magpul releasing their 5 round plastic AICS mag. It should rattle less! But really I only care because I'm expecting it to be under $30 street price.
I got a hold of a Ruger Gunsight Scout rifle that was purchased in 2014. I had two magazines for that rifle (both ten round) a metal one and a plastic one. In the Ruger both had some degree of slop to and would rattle.
The metal one was the same as the FCP-SR magazine and the only difference was the baseplate had a Ruger logo imprinted. It fit into the FCP-SR. It was a little more snug than my magazine. I did not have calipers to check, but since my magazine is a little older it may have just been the paint that was making up the slight difference. Overall I would say the Accurate Mag would probably fit across both models with very minor variations in size and fit.
The plastic magazine was straight walled and had a rectangular outline when viewed from the top. Because my rifle contains the Titan RCK Savage Spacer it appeared it would not fit. However, I think if I modified the spacer to allow for the non-indented sides it might fit. Sometime in the future I will remove it and check again with my friend's plastic magazine.
Overall, I would think the similar looking Accurate Mag metal magazines would fit the FCP-SR. I also believe the plastic ones would as well, but their profile might be incompatible with the Titan RCK Savage Spacer. If I owned the Ruger Gunsight Scout rifle I would make another spacer to accommodate the slop in that gun as well because I don't think a gun should rattle around when moved.
I have both Ruger marked, and AccurateMag marked mags (1-5 rounder, 1-10 rounder). They both fit my CDI perfectly, and when I had an AccurateMag DBM (ordered it, but never used it), they fit it as well. AccurateMag seems to be the OEM for everyone that isn't AI. Their customer service was very helpful when I reached out for some info. They were just a little hard to get a hold of, as they are (were?) a small, growing business.
People have run the plastic mags by sanding the ribs from the top portion off the mag. There are a couple of threads on Snipershide and AR-15.com.
i just wanted to go on record and give Twinsen props on assisting me and answering all my question in reference to installation of accurate mag . Installation required cutting screws somewhat but it was simple . Mag fits well … Will got to the range tomorrow i will certainly let everyone know how said product worked .
I have an FCP-SR from 2013. It came with a 0 degree rail. The Accurate Mag rattles in the Accurate DBM.
I purchased a Ruger plastic GSR mag and it would not fit without heavy trimming of plastic at the top.
I also purchased a few Alpha Manufacturing mags that are double stack except at the top.
If loaded with 8-10 rounds, they bulge and are difficult to insert/remove. At least they don't rattle.
The Alpha mags work ok if not loaded to near capacity.
I remounted the rail, rings, lapped, and put a lower magnification scope on my FN. Shot several one hole groups and nothing else. I've never done that before even omce with any ammunition in any rifle. It is confusing how good it is.
I thought the precision rifle bug had already hit me hard. Now it's gonna be like a heroin habit.
"Bro, got any matchkings? Amax? Anything dude. I just need a hit."