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Well in defence of myself, ill take a fifth. lol
But i don't think you can find where ive ever claimed any credit for my shooting ability, or any other ability for that matter.
That for a very good reason, because I don't claim to have much. Certainly no more than the vast majority of others on this site.
I have never claimed, nor do I believe, the ability to score first round hits is a requirement to be successful while long range hunting.
That topic would be the figment of other peoples imagination, most of whom have never attempted to hunt in that manner.
Are they desirable? Absolutly they are desirable, but more often than not, it is not a necessary requirement other than in the minds of some individuals.
You wont find that mindset among (experienced) eastern hunters and especially PA hunters.
And wether its appreciated or not, PA is where long range hunting as it is known today has its roots, and that can be documented.
Now you will please take note that I haven't, or am i claiming, any unique abilities for those living in the east, and especially those from PA.
With the exception, that the best cheese steaks in the whole world come from Philly. So just disregard all the signs claiming otherwise.
What I do, what we do, and what you do my friend, would be a rather easy accomplishment for most people the world over who have the opportunity and the desire to involve themselves in it.
Obviously some would excel faster and further than others of us. BUT, SO WHAT?
How many here ever heard of Margaret Murdock? How about Lones Wigger? Did you look them up to find out? and if so, how in hell will we be remembered and for what?
I mean it's not like were called upon to throw 100 mph fastballs for strikes with 50.000 people screaming at us,
or driving cars at 200 mph around crowded race tracks.
Now for the record, you and most others here and elsewhere, obviously seem to think that the path to success for long range hunting, lies in the ability of the person doing the shooting.
That simply is not true, and Ive never even implied that it was.
In fact, quite the opposite is true and ive said so on other occaisions here.
For sure an element of shooting ability is required, but no more than many shooters including most here on this site now have.
An ability to shoot 1" groups at 100 yds will suffice in the taking of a deer at 1000 yds and even further.
PROVIDED,they are using the right equiptment, AND PROVIDED, they listen and do as instructed.
Ive also stated here on several occaisions that a large percentage of our deer have been taken by young kids,
and other inexperienced long range shooters. And again for the record, us (easterners) think of 500 yds and beyond, as being long range.
We might bend the rules slightly for young shooters, but not for long. If that comes off as bragging, blame it on the confidence we have in our method, and not in our personal ability.
Quite the opposite of comments ive heard from others around here.
About anybody can spot a hit on the dirt behind a target. But doing that on a distant hillside covered with trees and wet leaves, or 6" of snow can now be a totaly different story. First off, not all the bullets even arrive at the target, and you the shooter, wouldn't know why.
Not only would you be begging for my bench, you would also be begging for assistance, and it wouldn't be in regard to which target is next.
But since ive brought up the which target situation, that can also become an issue that few armchair hunters ever contemplate.
In the perfect world of dreams, the huge buck is always alone, but is he? What do bucks do, especially in the fall, and often while the season is taking place?
What happens when theres six deer over there all scrambling about and constantly changing their location as it applies to the others?
Sure, an expert would just get up, walk away and call it a day and maybe a year.
But we would kill that buck, and only because of our better method. And note I said we and not me.
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ok Buck i yield LOL.....you are so set in your ways that your way is the only way regardless of what anyone says so its just a waste of time to discuss this or any shooting related topic with you...with that said i will add that this thread and 99% of the other threads YOU turn into hunting debates have NOTHING to do with hunting...read the first post...HES SHOOTING MILK JUGS NOT ANIMALS!!
i also find it funny that you honestly believe that shooter skill and the ability to make first round/cold bore shots at long distances would not be an advantage over someone that shoots 10-20 rounds a year in a hunting scenario.
and in closing...this statement really makes me laugh..."If that comes off as bragging, blame it on the confidence we have in our method, and not in our personal ability."
the guys that go out and shoot 1MOA targets day in and day out have confidence in their personal ability,their gear and their methods and IMHO gives them an advantage in any scenario.