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Give it a test and see. Shoot a Nosler bullet of your choosing out to at least 600 yards using the advertised bc and see what happens. Ive done it and I know what happens. I even have a pdf copy of the article if you would like to read it for yourself.
http://www.dtic.mil/get-tr-doc/pdf?AD=ADA554683
this pretty much sums up what Stomp is referring to.
That report is 4 years old.
I am kinda interested in the 26 Nosler, but it looks like a large action would be mandatory, if not a 110BA action.
Yep nosler uses their BC only at highest velocity. If you look at Sierra bullets for example, G1 BC changes with velocity. An example of sierra bullets would be that the say(for a given bullet) that BC=.5 over 3200fps, .486 between 2800-3200, and .445 below 2800. Nosler only uses the high number. so you shot long range and think you BC is a .5, but averaged over 800 yards it is .46. So they are telling the truth, they just leave out the little fact that G1 BC changes with velocity
Problem is that when they only list the high number its still ungodly high because its pushed as fast as they can get it to go. I called them one time looking for more information on their 25 cal 85 grain ballistic tip as I was wanting to load some in my 250 savage. I was interested in what velocity the BC was tested so that I could see if I could achieve that with my little savage. They told me the bullet was tested using a 25-06 at a velocity of 3400fps out to 100 yards. So in other words I had no hopes of even coming close that with my 250. Nosler really needs to at least start implementing bullet testing at median velocity ranges to better give us an idea of what's actually going on. Because as it is now, anyone shooting that bullet in anything smaller than a 25-06 is only fooling themselves and Nosler is laughing all the way to the bank.
Wow are you serious? I knew they fudged the numbers a little, but didnt know it was to that extent. After i realised about noslers bogus numbers, i havent bought any of their bullets since. makes me wonder how game animals were wounded or missed due to this? Stomp- Go look at the published BCs for the new accubond long range bullets if you want a good laugh. They are just so unbleivable its almost funny. They probably tested thier bullets at 10000 feet altitube in 100 degrees and necked 50 BMG down to the different bullet diameters to get 5500 fps for ttesting
Oh I know. I've been calling bs on their numbers ever since the press release came out on those.
Another one that's really bad is the 55gr 6mm ballistic tip. They claim a higher BC for that bullet than the 22 cal ballistic tip of the same weight even though the 22 cal is a longer and smaller diameter bullet. I called them on this as well and they told me the BC is so high because it was tested at a higher velocity than the 22 cal bullet. When I asked them what velocity and cartridge they told me .243 win and 3900fps. Wow. Nothing like making apple and orange comparisons. I've since tested this bullet and its 22 cal counterpart out to 600 yards using a 24" 22-250 loaded with a published max load of Varget and a 24" 243 loaded with a published max load of Varget . The 22-250 gave me a velocity of 3683 and the 243 gave me a velocity of 3633. With both rifles zeroed at 200 yards the 243 shot about 3-4" lower at 600 yards than the 22-250. According to my results I gustimate the BC of the 6mm 55gr ballistic tip having a BC somewhere around .227-.230 a far cry from the published .267
agreed.
I talked to a couple guys from Nosler at the shot show and the round has been Sammi approved; Iirc I was told by them that is was based of the 404 Jeffrey but since it is Sammi approved it's not considered a wild cartridge.
The round would require you to have it built around a long action and it is most definitely a barrel burner! We ordered a reamer for my work and it came in last week, I am working on getting a 700 magnum action to build one with, once I have it done I will post the results here.
Russell
I wonder how much Nitriding might help the barrel burning.
Stomp is right-on in his thoughts on this(in terms of false advertising). I did a post about this on another board,with trajectory charts posted as well. The thing that is really funny to me, is Noslers velocity numbers. Ignoring the velocity claims about the new cartridge, the velocity numbers for the other cartridges are notably lower than their own data shows...
I'm all for someone wanting something new and exciting to them, but at least look at your own reloading data first.
Don't pander the sheep by telling them this will shoot so flat that you suddenly don't have to learn your trajectory, or drops. Just be up front, and say the truth; something like: if ultra flat trajectory excites you, this is flatter shooting than several other choices.
Just got my issye of Shooting Times. Big cover pix of the 26Nosler. Way too much for anything I'd ever use it for,,,,,,
FYI
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