How about better quality control and customer after care!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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How about better quality control and customer after care!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Get rid of the half pillar in the rear. Thats Savages weak point.
Or did they do that already? I think the BR action eliminated it.
All my actions are old half pillars ;)
I have never heard of this being a problem. I've heard of them sending people parts without proof of the problems, them shipping rifles to and from the owners with problems fixed. Now if the QC issue was fixed they wouldn't need the extremely satisfactory customer service side nearly as much. They have offered to send me magazines (for a poor fitment issue) and stock/action screws for me loosing them!!! I took neither of them up on the offer.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonbearman
That being said, I haven't shot my 30-06 yet to know if it has any problems. It does load and extract/eject fine.
Someone should teach Savage how to lap a barrel.
Ditch the nut too, I hate those things.
I'd like a typical bolt sleeve/cocking piece rather than the Savage BAS on the end of the bolt.
While they're changing the bolt they may as well add a side bolt release like on a Kimber.
Ditch the stupid blade in the AT. Just design a great trigger and skip the gimmicks/band-aids.
24" barrels in standard LA cartridges.
Savage needs to buy a Kimber to see what an ergonomically well designed stock is like.
Savage needs to make a lightweight rifle which uses it's design, rather than gimmicks to achieve lightness.
The present Savage LWH is a perfect example of how not to do it.
Give me a SS 22"-24" #1 contour barrel set into a 24 oz fiberglass stock (not LAMINATE for gosh sake) with a blind magazine.
Heck, Savage should just blatantly copy the Kimber 84. Pushfeed is fine with me.
I like Savages but they do have plenty of room for improvement.
One more thing.
Make the mag boxes for the SA 3.00" long.
This would give greater latitude for bullet seating and would allow for the chambering of some classic cartridges like the .275 Rigby, and the .257 Roberts.
Basically what I want is a modernized Savage 1920.
In LH of course.
A lively little rifle in the mold of the Kimber 84.
C'mon Savage make this rifle, I'm tired of waiting for Kimber to make a lefty.
Just to reintroduce the Striker. You would think with all the people wanting one they would have figured this out for themselves.
My centerfeed 10FP blind mag box was over 3" long...I loaded rounds go 2.95" with room to spare and it fed fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by nsaqam
Wish they would make a model with a nicer factory walnut stock. Something that i could pass to my kids and become a family heirloom.
Great news, that's one thing off my list. You got any pull with Mr. Coburn to get a modern 1920 made? In LH!Quote:
Originally Posted by BoilerUP
Getting rid of the barrel nut and the modular bolt kinda defeats the purpose of a Savage in a lot of ways nsaqam. If you don't like those things sounds like you should just get a different brand of rifle all together. There are plenty of others that are made with shouldered barrels and traditional style bolts. I can go along with you on the barrel length, and I'd like to see the bolt release simplified too.
There are many things called out in this post that will never be done for one reason. Economics. Savage is making long runs of products they know will sell. Short runs of some changes asked for wont sell enough rifles to make it economical to do so it wont get done. Yes, Savage has problems that could be fixed like better bolt heads that could be done with minor changes in tooling or vendor control. Quality control seems to be going downhill lately and attention to that could alleviate many of the things wished for in this post. Making short runs of specialty rifles will not occur no matter what. That is why they have the custom shop available that will build what you want. With the new digital machinery they have instaled a keystroke on a computer could take care of a lot of those problems listed in this post. Supposedly Savage monitors this forum. Lets hope they will take this post to heart.
El Lobo
I'm ready for Savage to step up it's game and to start competing with the best rather than pummelling the lesser brands as they do now.
I'm ready for a Savage one piece bolt.
I'm ready for a shouldered barrel chambered and fitted by a skilled technician.
I'm ready for Savage to make a stock rivalling that of the best production stockmakers in the business, both walnut and synthetic.
I'm ready for Savage to design a trigger which is great by design without added gimmicks, the old M70 trigger is pretty close to perfect.
I'm ready for the time when a Savage rifle can be pulled from the case and folks want to see it and hold it and admire it and a Savage which would compare favorably with the finest production rifles in America in all aspects rather than merely on accuracy.
Savage can do it. They've done it before with the 99 and the 1920.
I think they should do it again.
BTW, I do have other rifles than Savages and I like several of them better than I do my Savages for certain things and my Savage wears a shouldered barrel, and a McMillan stock. Nothing Savage makes can easily compete with my old 700 KS or my Kimber of O 84.
I'd like to see Savage enter the region occupied by the Kimber 84, M70 FWs, and SAKO and give these guys a run for their money.
Savage can't remotely do all those things and make rifles at a price point that people will buy en masse.
If you want a Sako or Kimber, buy a Sako or Kimber.
Its kinda like asking Chevrolet to build BMWs...
I apparently have more confidence in Savages capabilities than you.
Savage should keep their present extensive lineup while adding a new line above the Savage line. Kinda like adding Stevens below Savage.
I know there is a market for high quality, well designed rifles that sell in the $1000-$1400 range. Kimber can't keep up and Winchester is selling every M70 they make. MRC recently added a whole production rifle series to it's lineup selling at the $1000 price point.
Kimber's success is all the more striking because Kimber had to buck two bankruptcies, and a reputation for spotty QC to achieve it.
Savage has had the bankruptcies too but at least Savage has a reputation for accuracy.
I'd like to see Savage aspire to be the top gunmaker in America rather than just the best of the "economical" rifles.
If Savage could spin off a top tier gunmaker, produce a high quality rifle, still maintain their present lineup, would you folks welcome that?
I know I would.
Chevrolet builds the 556 hp CTS-V which competes on even terms with any BMW and surpasses most of them.
And I'm a BMW junkie.
If Chevy can build a world beater then so can Savage.
Thanks for the apt comparison.
Other than the bolt tollerance/timing issues mentioned, I would really like Savage to come out with a nice rimfire action. I know the model 93's are accurate, but it looks and feels like a toy and don't even get into trying to bed one effectively etc.
Eliminate the bottom bolt release. The release is in the way every time I need to get to the rear action screw.
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Originally Posted by geargrinder
The Axis is atrocious. I had to order an Edge to find out how bad they were and had a hard time selling it at a loss because of the reputation that preceded it. I know they are aimed at the economy market but if Marlin can build the XS7 and XL7 as economy rifles then Savage can put out a much higher quality piece than they currently do to compete in that market. A revamped Stevens 200 (on the 110 style action) is the answer.
On the other end of the spectrum.
Bringing back a tough, weather resistant hunting rifle with all the factory bells and whistles like the 116FLCSAK and the 116FCSAK would also be a sight for sore eyes. these rifles are great and finding a used one is impossible. Too pricy through the custom shop, We need a factory option for a loaded.
Actually, the CTS-V is a Cadillac product, not a Chevrolet...but you know that.Quote:
Originally Posted by nsaqam
Hence, the point I was trying to make.
Chevrolets are boring, affordable, and do the job well. You can spend more money to do the same basic thing, with the only real difference being aesthetics and maybe a little more refinement.
Savage is a Chevy...a Savage Custom Shop rifle is your CTS-V.
Chevy makes the 638 hp Corvette ZR1.
A better car than almost any at twice the price.
Ok, I'll say that I'd like Savage to produce a "halo" brand like the Corvette is for Chevy.
As for Effie and the custom shop, that just doesn't satisfy my desire for a really LW LH rifle as the barrel is still Savage and they still sport a barrel nut.
I'm just saying that I believe Savage to be capable of making a modern 1920 which would draw buyers from Kimber, Forbes, and Winchester.
Savage has plenty of sub $600 rifles and even some priced well over $1000. Keep these and add that halo.
A halo brand from Savage would likely do well if the rifle were well designed and constructed. Add in a new production 99 to this halo brand and you could have a very formidable lineup. And one where the concern for maintaining traditional Savage pricing (ie. LOW) can be minimized.
I ask again, who here would like a modern rendition of the iconic and sublime 1920?
nsaquam, your are forgetting that it is the floating bolt head and barrel nut for prechambered barrels that makes the Savage accurate. To get the same from a solid bolt and shouldered barrel you need a lot more handwork and lapping of the lugs. More costs. And how much more than other chevies does that one you mentioned cost? How many different models does Kimber have, Or any other maker for example?If I wanted rifles like that I have a multitude to choose from for a lot more money and no ability to change calibers without excesive so cost. The multipart bolt and barrel nut is what makes Savage unique, why make a vanilla rifle when what you have just needs better QC and slight redesign with amultitude of aftermarket parts if you desire. Even other makers are going to the nutted barrel. Makes you wonder why.
El Lobo
Very good point El Lobo. Reinforces what I said. Going nutless defeats a lot of the purpose of the Savage. As for confidence in Savage? I have all the confidence in the world they could produce the kind of rifle nsaqam wants but it comes down to niche, demand, cost of production etc. Savage has their niche. To produce those old models today would be very expensive but maybe with modern CNC machining it could be somewhat affordable. I don't know. But my point is that there is a lot more demand for rifles in the price range that Savage makes and probably a lot less demand for the ones in the price range of the Kimbers, etc. Now I like other rifles too. I've always been a fan of the Model 70 and the M77 MKII and some others as well. If I want those kinds of features that's the rifles I look to. I've never owned a Kimber rifle although I like the looks of them and would gladly own one. But I hope a lot of their cost is in their stocks because the way the action is made it should cost less than a Model 70. The Kimber has a round tubular receiver and a washer style recoil lug which equals less machine work than a flat bottomed Model 70 receiver with integral recoil lug. All I'm saying is that there are different kinds for a reason....different strokes for different folks. I happen to like the look of the Savage and don't find it ugly at all. But I'll also admit it's not as pretty as a nice Winchester or Kimber, etc. or even a Ruger (I have a soft spot for Rugers like you do for Kimbers).
Well, it seems there is one thing the majority of us agree on. BRING back the 99 with the rotary magazine. The excuse for doing away with it was cost. With cnc and modern near net casting techniques they could be made a lot cheaper than previously. so bring it back Savage. As a midrange hunting rifle they cant be beat. Wish I had kept mine.
El Lobo
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Originally Posted by ellobo
Most accurate rifles being shot today have a shouldered barrel and and a solid bolt so I don't buy that a floating bolthead and a nutted barrel are the only way to get accuracy.
I don't wonder for a second why some other makers are going to a nutted barrel. Its because it's cheap and untrained people can assemble them with ease.
Nobody but Savage is putting a nut on their medium and high end rifles, only the less expensive models are starting to sport them.
As for niche marketing, that is exactly where Savage should go with a halo brand. Go after the Kimber 84 buyers, the M70 FW buyers, and those who buy European firearms. Make a splash with the reintroduction of the 99 to build brand and garner press. Add a serious competitor into the LW rifle market from the folks who invented the LW rifle, Savage with it's unique 1920. No other boltgun of the time was a lively and lightweight as the 1920. Heck, few are today.
I realize that Mr Coburn likely has solid reasons why an upmarket halo brand from Savage isn't a good idea but I think both profit and prestige would be enhanced if they took the task seriously.
I want Savage to thrive as I have a soft spot for them due to their regard for us lefties.