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Looking for info on replacement barrels. Have been looking at the usual suspects including Criterion, Shilen, McGowen, E.R. Shaw, X-Caliber.
EABO (E. Authur Brown) also has barrels. I think their "Accuracy' barrels are E.R. Shaw. Curious about their standard barrels as well.
Your experience with these or others?
Depends on your expectations and intended use. If you plan on shooting a lot, for the money, Shilen or Excaliber. Nothing wrong with a Criterion or McGowan either. Bartlien, Kreiger, Brux and several more can be had also if you are planning on competing at a higher level. Bugholes.com
Shaw's can be accurate but the quality of the bores are in a different League than the others mentioned. Cleaning is required more often. I think I would buy a Wilson before a Shaw. This is my opinion based on experience.
My only experience is with the factory Savage takeoff barrels, and they have shot under 0.37" for 5 shots, or better. My best 5 shot group ever was with one, in 6.5 Creedmoor, and it measured 0.165". The first four shots in that group were 0.020". I've shot two in 6.5 CM, and 3 in .308 Win. One of those is a 22" blued chrome moly with a muzzle diameter of 0.57".
I'm with Robinhood. Sticking with major brands, the "cheap" tend to be perfectly accurate for most shooters; but are rough. So will take a bunch of shooting before they smooth out and calm down; relative to a big name super-ultra-match-xtreme.:cool:
So, if just looking for hunting, plinking, varminting; any will do; just how often are you willing to clean for a while?
Primary end purpose will be same as for my other hunting rifles - hunting. Antelope, deer and elk.
To that end, most shooting will be at the range. Favorite targets are lay pigeons on the 500 and 600 yard berms. No formal competition, but I'm not satisfied unless a rifle will consistently print MOA or better at 100 on clam days. Smaller makes me happier.
Still have not decided on cartridge. Leading candidates are 6.5PRC (even though this is a long action rifle), 6.5-06AI, 26 Nosler, .270 Win and .28 Nosler.
Already have a variety of suitable rifles in .257 Roberts, 6.5-06AI (heavy barrel), .280 Rem, 7mm RM, .308, .30-06, .300WM, .338WM. Looking for low recoil, relatively lightweight build.
I was going to say 25-06AI but that might be a bit on the light side for elk.
So, the 6.5 PRC isn't going to do anything your 6.5-06AI or the 26 Nosler won't... the 270 is too close in performance to the 6.5-06AI and the 280 Rem. The 28 Nosler isn't going to be much different than your 7MM. Through in that you want it to be a light/low recoil and lightweight build, you won't find something that's going to be good for Elk (other than the ones you already have like 308, 30-06, 280 Rem, 300 WM, 338WM)Quote:
Originally Posted by Coyote_Hunter
So that leaves me with only the .243AI, 6mm Creedmoor, 6.5 Creedmoor or 260 Remington. I've only had experience with Criterion as an aftermarket barrel maker (I have 3) but I can tell you, they are all .5MOA shooters (with me as the nut pulling the trigger) and I won't need to look anywhere else for my barrels... So, there's my .02 and If you want to hunt Elk, then grab one of your bigger calibers.
SageRat Shooter -
My current 6.5-06AI beats the 6.5PRC in velocity and uses fire-formed .25-06 brass. Accuracy is excellent with about 40-45% hit rate on clay pigeons at 600 yards last time I tried. The problem is it is a heavy-barrel with a laminate stock - not something I want to carry around, although I've taken antelope with it. Another 6.5 Something would be lighter weight for carry purposes. Because my rifle is a long action, though, I would prefer a long cartridge for (stupid) aesthetic reasons.
Agreed the .270 is close to the 6.5-06AI, .280 and 7mm RM. But I don't have one. I DO have a couple of very good .270 Win loads I developed for Daughter #1, though. A good 500-yard elk load with under 18 ft-lbs recoil. :)
Forgot to mention I have a Savage FXP3 in .243 Win. Shoots bug holes.
Short-action cartridges other than the 6.5PRC are probably a no-go.
Not worried about elk with anything 6.5 or above and the 142g AccuBond (.625 B.C.). H hunted them with my .257 Roberts, .30-30, .375 Win, .45-70. Some rifles let me take longer range shots, is all, but I've taken them from 25 yards to 487.
The 26 Nosler is looking better and better as I can download it or load it to the gills. And barrels are plentiful, unlike 6.5-06AI. Just wish brass was more available/cheaper.
The .270 has been ticking up in the list - plentiful barrels, cheap brass, 150g AccuBond (.591 B.C.) and I already have the dies.
Half the fun is deciding. Kind of like hunting elk - the fun stops when you pull the trigger. :)
Edited to add: I prefer a 22-24" barrel.
.270 Winchester gets my vote!Quote:
Originally Posted by Coyote_Hunter
I thought the same thing with my .260 and the 143 ELD-X for hunting Elk (based on ballistics and the 6.5x55 taking moose). That is until I watched a guy shoot a 6 pt Bull Elk with the 6.5 PRC and the 143 ELD-X from 300 yards. He had to shoot it 4 times... The first 3 shots didn't even make the Elk flinch... Sounds like that .270 might be what you wind up building. the .270 with a 24" barrel will get that bullet moving2900-3000 fps. I had a .270, but I tore it apart to build the .260 Rem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coyote_Hunter
The OP's question was on aftermarket barrels. Then it became about cartridges. Game on.
6, 243, 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5 Sweede, 25 souper, 25-06.
Sectional density is critical when it comes to bullet performance along with the type of construction being appropriate for the type of game being hunted.Quote:
Originally Posted by SageRat Shooter
I don’t have any experience with the new eld bullets. I use either the sst or the interlock line up from hornady. We’ve never had that 4 shot problem. I wonder if it was the bullets that didn’t expand properly or what happened.
The sst and interbond perform very similar except the interbond has a lead tip which helps penetrate a bit farther before total expansion occurs. Put it in the boiler room and game expires very quickly due to vitals turning into chunky soup.
As far as barrels go I don’t take chances so I buy known quality even if it costs more.
22-250 AI with a fast twist barrel. That will pop your pigeons. My next barrel with be one on my RPR.
I built a 7 twist 22-250 with a 26” shilen match stainless steel barrel. Truly incredible what these 22 cals are capable of when there’s enough twist to stabilize the 90-95 grain pills. My next one will be the 6.5 twist shilen with their ratchet rifling. My 260 has that rifling profile. And that rifle prints in the 0.2s. I’ve really taken to these shilen barrels. And the beauty of the barrel nut means high quality prefit barrels that doesn’t need a gunsmith to swap.Quote:
Originally Posted by snowgetter1
Lovin’ it.
I'm not sure exactly what the issue was, I would think that it's because the bullet opens up too quickly?? I haven't had a chance to test the 143 ELD-X on any game yet, so I don't know how it performs on even light bodied critters like coyote, fox, badger etc... It's supposed to be designed for hunting Deer & Elk according to Hornady. Take a look for yourself at the 4 shot 6.5 PRC Elk harvest. Link is attached below, shots take place at around the 30:30 mark and on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryfulman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUyhwnaLEtA
Have had all the OP listed barrels except x-caliber. For general hunting and non competition range shooting I personally would go with a Criterion.
To the OP's original question:
I've only had one EABCO accuracy barrel, a 6.5 CM that shot very accurately....for about 3 or 4 rounds since clean. Then it coppered up and groups began opening. Great for a hunting rifle in that it's a lot cheaper than a better quality barrel, however just don't look too closely at the lands and grooves, as you'll see rail road tracks. I have a picture taken from an endoscope looking in the muzzle that shows the rifling, as far as the camera could see was almost entirely copper colored. This after just 4 rounds since clean.
Maybe I got a turd, but I will never know as i'm down to X-caliber, Shilen, and Criterion barrels to shoot targets. I do have two factory Savage barrels, a 223 and a 308 that shoot remarkably well and don't copper up too bad.
Watched the video. Was not impressed with the shooting, which occurred at about 280 yards per the video. One shot in the right ham, one in the gut, one afterwards that looked like good placement, nor sure where the other went.Quote:
Originally Posted by SageRat Shooter
If he was hunting in Colorado, he broke the law by discussing the elk on his phone or radio.
280 yards is well withing lethal range for a 6.5PRC. Don't know what bullets were used, but about any should work at that range.
Roger that.... I'm not up to snuff on Colorado law, so don't know about the legality of the phone or radio. That guy either used the 143 ELD-X or the 147 ELD-M (not sure which though). I was with you on the 6.5 Creedmoor, 260 Remington, 6.5 PRC being capable on Elk, but those results just didn't sit well with me... Especially, after I shot a 5 pt. bull with a 168 Barnes TTSX (2800 FPS)out of my 30-06 from 150 yards right through the heart, and he still ran 250-300 yards before he went down.
Makes me remember an old saying I heard about Elk hunting cartridges "An Elk cartridge should start with a 3 and end with two 00.... One 0 on the way in and one 0 on the way out.... I know the ballistics for the 6.5 says it will absolutely carry enough energy to kill Elk, I just feel more confident in the .30 calibers...
I am sure that those are all fine barrels and I am relatively new to re-barreling a savage bolt action. I am working on a 110 CL donor 30-06 soon to be a 25-06 26 inch 1/9 barrel from Columbia River Arms AKA Black Hole Weaponry. I have built several AR 10's with 24 inch barrels from them that are extremely accurate and comparing a 6.5 creedmoor over a caldwell chronograph against a savage bolt my AR shot consistently 150 to 200 fps faster using federal premium gold out of the same box. Does anyone else have any experience with the polygonal barrels? I am really looking forward to see what this sweetheart will do with 110 to 120 gr bullets.
If you want to make them reliably drop and never move, hit the CNS, or spinal structure. Heart and lung shots don't de-oxygenate the blood stream instantly, and doesn't kill brain function like a light switch.Quote:
Originally Posted by SageRat Shooter
Also, in the context of hunting, forget the word "energy".
"Energy" is a theoretical number assigned by technical calculations, and idiots who write for gun magazines; and trashbags on social media who can't hold better than a 12" group at 280 yards, directed at the non-vital organ end of the animal. :mad:
Reliable bullet upset and expansion is directly driven by velocity, not energy and not the Easter Bunny. When tipped bullets splash on game, it isn't because they have to much evergy. It's because the velocity is to high for how lightly constructed they are, PERIOD.
When I was still in Idaho, and lived off deer and elk meat. Even drew a moose tag, and I didn't have mules or horses to pack out anything, just my Chevro-legs.
A very sedately loaded 260, firing 140gr Hot-Cor bullets only takes 1 properly placed shot to kill all of those animals.
I have to agree that shot placement counts way more than anything else. Personally I am found of accubonds but SST and game kings are just as deadly. I used to prefer head shots but over the years I have had many more lung shots, even my little 6.8 with 100 gr accubond puts them down and they don't get up. A heart shot for instance will get you a messy up to 400 yard scramble but I have never had one get up from a lung shot. I don't know about moose, they might be a different story.
Bought a Criterion Savage SS Match barrel, Match Chamber, cost $300 plus $19 for shipping,took 12 weeks to make it,borescoped it,looked as good as a New Krieger barrel,Shoots as good as the Krieger for less than 1/2 the cost.The Krieger was over $700 took almost one year to get.Highly recommend Criterion Savage Pre Fit Barrels
Thanks. Have been looking at Criterion among others. Also Ragged Hole, who claim to use the same grade Wilson barrels used by Cooper for their Savage prefits. Match grade, air-gauged to .0002". (Cooper has a .5"@100 guarantee. Wilson owns Cooper.)
Have been narrowing down the options for choice of cartridge.
.270 WSM is out due to shank size.
26/28/30 Nosler are out. Too much powder consumption and recoil.
.300PRC is out for same reason as Nosler.
.270 Win is still an option. Daughter's .270 does 2912 with Nosler 150g and less-than-max charge of H100V. Excellent downrange ballistics, beats 6.5PRC out to about 1,000.
.280 Rem AI is in the running, partly so I could run heavier bullets, partly because I have a boatload of 7mm bullets. But I also have a .280 Rem and 7mm RM.
6.5 PRC is still the leader - excellent ballistics, light recoil. Plus no changes needed to bolt head or cartridge follower. Simple I like.
The idea of using a 6.5 for elk doesn't bother me. A 140-143g bullet has as much or more energy at 500 yards (~1600fpe) than a .30-30/150g has at 100 or a .308Win/150g has at 400.
For that matter, the 6.5PRC has more energy at 500 than some of the 7mm RM loads I've used very successfully for elk over the years.
I use to use a 260 Rem. but now using 6.5 SLR/S !!! Attributes of the 6.5 Super LR:
- Top powder capacity for top velocitycan be made from 243, 260 or 7mm-08 brass.. Nice round check it out. My
- Long Neck
- Competition Proven 30 Degree Shoulder Angle
- Excellent Base Brass Available
- Very Easy To Make
- No Neck Turning or Initial Trimming Required
McGowen barrel shoots .25 5 shot groups...