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What caused what you see in the photo below?
Some background. Rifle is a Savage Hog Hunter in .308. I have 191 rounds thru this gun that I bought brand new in January. About 60 of them steel, and the rest was Freedom Munitions 168 Grain A-max rounds, of which the photo below is of. I’ve had zero problems until I tried chambering this round a couple of days ago. Any thoughts on what might have caused this?
http://www.pbase.com/wingspar/image/...4/original.jpg
Looks like a "burr" in the neck + soft brass. When you tried to chamber it, it caught on the edge of the chamber and being that the brass was pretty soft, it pushed the shoulder back into the case body.
Don't think you'll be reloading that piece of brass.
Yep defective brass
That looks like it took a lot of force to even try to close the bolt.
I must confess I'm courious about that as well ^^^
Did you have a case head separation where part of another case is stuck in the chamber?
This happened upon chambering?? What did you do? Use a hammer to try to force the bolt closed???Quote:
Originally Posted by eddiesindian
That didn't happen in the gun.....that had to happen in the press.
^^^this right hear...youd have to beat the back of the bolt with a hammer and stand on it to close it even if the brass was bad/soft/over annealed.Quote:
Originally Posted by sharpshooter
Looks like an over annealed case. A bullet that got started crooked. I would seriously be questioning qc.
It looks like it's so over annealed if it had chambered case head seperation was imminent.
This assumes we got the true story and this wasn't something OP pulled apart and reassembled. Because thats hard to believe it went out the door like that. Though not impossible.
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Originally Posted by sharpshooter
+2 And not a mark on the pill. Would think the case would have left a scratch on it. Sizing die set too deep. Been there, done that. Another case for the recycle bucket.
Snipe
Sorta gives a new meaning to the term "compressed load" lol
When this round wouldn’t chamber, I pulled it out, and it looked fine. That’s when I should have tossed it, but I tried chambering it again probably using too much force, cause I had to beat on the bolt to get it to open, but I certainly didn’t feel like I used that much force trying to chamber it. It came out looking like what you see in the photo. No scratches on the brass.
All other brass I shot that day looked fine. As I said, this was factory Freedom Munitions. I don’t reload, tho I am in the process of starting to reload .308. I’m just waiting on a scale which should be here today. I will pull the bullet and use it. I’ve been using Freedom Munitions for years in 9mm, .45 ACP, .38 Special, .357 Magnum, .223, and now .308 to the tune of thousands of rounds with zero problems, but none of it has been thru a bolt gun till now. I did have one .223 that sounded funny and when I broke the gun down I found small pieces of brass and I never found the case. Put the gun back together and continued to shoot.
OK, a little update. I took this round to the LGS today as the guy there that I deal with has been reloading for 40 plus years, and him and another guy that works there has never seen anything like this, but agreed that the sizing die might have had something to do with this.
This was a fresh box from that day, and I put 8 rounds from that box thru the gun with no problems. Only this one round. I just went thru the remaining 11 rounds in the box and found 7 of them with the same deformity at the mouth that you see in my photo. The squishing of the neck in the photo most likely happened when I tried to close the bolt. I also closely inspected the other two unopened boxes of this ammo I have, and saw no problems.
I just sent an email to Freedom Munitions with this photo and the lot number from the box. If there is interest, I can update this thread when I get a reply. In the past, Freedom Munitions has been good to deal with. Good CS.
Did you set your die up correctly?
He has already said he didn't reload this, it is factory ammo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robinhood
If it came straight out of the box, and 7 of the remaining has a deformity at the neck, it should be the manufacture's problem. I don't see anything else to figure out as per your statement above.Quote:
This was a fresh box from that day, and I put 8 rounds from that box thru the gun with no problems. Only this one round. I just went thru the remaining 11 rounds in the box and found 7 of them with the same deformity at the mouth that you see in my photo.
Could you post a picture of the 7 others that came straight out of the box with the deformity?
Dennis
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Originally Posted by Robinhood
They were factory loads. I didn't catch that either in his first post. Bad QC from the ammo mfr.
Snipe
I didn’t see a reason to photograph all 7 of them, but here is one of them. They all look like this one. I’ll give Freedom Munitions a day or two to answer my email before I try to contact them. I’m sure they will ask me to return this ammo and will replace it with another box. Their CS has always been good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis
http://www.pbase.com/wingspar/image/...8/original.jpg
Out of curiosity. Do they have their own headstamp or is this remanufactured ammo?
This was remanufactured ammo. Most of the ammo I buy from FM is remanufactured ammo, but I do have some new 9mm and in one box there are two head stamps. FH & FM. Don’t know who makes that brass. I don’t think Freedom Munitions makes their own brass, but I could be wrong. The FM head stamp could be Freedom Munitions.Quote:
Originally Posted by sixonetonoffun
Freedom Munitions is sending me a return shipping label and will be replacing the ammo.
Good to hear!
In the last picture the tip is also damaged,, It looks like the bullet was not properly aligned as it was seated and the base of the bullet caught the edge of the neck. Must have been awfully miss aligned considering it's most likely a boat tail 168 grain A-max. With those mass producing loading machines every round should be visually inspected. There is no such thing as "perfect" in this world,, I've had a box of Federal Fusion 165's once in .308 that had a fair bit of bullet copper shavings all the way around the end of the neck area.
I've always wondered how factory ammo has no chamfer at the neck yet the bullets don't seem to be scratched or affected on some of the one's I've pulled including the famous Gold Medal Match.
The 168 grain A-Max bullets are a boat tail round. I’m using them for my reloads, which by the way I’m very new at. In fact, I just loaded my first rounds ever just today, and I used the same 168 grain A-Max bullets these Freedom Munitions used. I just looked, and none of my bullets have any damage at the tip, and I’m using a Lee Loader. If you know what those are, you pound the bullet into the case, and it’s the tip that gets pounded on. The tips were damaged on most of the Freedom Munition rounds from that box.
I’ve seen a photo tour of Freedom Munitions, and they do a lot of hands in inspection, but I doubt they can look at every one. Just exactly what happened with these is anyones guess. Many seem to agree it occurred at the seating die, but it’s all speculation. I doubt I’ll ever hear what happened from Freedom Munitions. Their machines probably need to be calibrated every once in a while, and these might have just slipped thru during that process. That’s pure speculation on my part.