Re: Vortex Viper box test
I think I've about got myself talked into trying one. I think I'll try the mil-dot, same size scope as you're reviewing, and see if I like it for pd's to 500-600 yds. It'll sit on my 243 I'm building.
Re: Vortex Viper box test
Slim, you get your action yet?
Re: Vortex Viper box test
Ed,
Nope, not yet. I'm tied up until Monday, I plan on checking with my FFL again then. Hopefully it's in. Do you know when it was shipped?
Re: Vortex Viper box test
Should have went out monday or tuesday last week. It should be sitting there waiting for you by now.
Re: Vortex Viper box test
My Viper should be here today. I hope for some nice calm weather this weekend so I can try it out. It's been windy as all heck these past several days.
Re: Vortex Viper box test
Ed, your gonna hate that scope ship it to me to be disposed of.
Re: Vortex Viper box test
Justin, I heard you already have more of them than you have rifles. What would you do with it?
Re: Vortex Viper box test
Re: Vortex Viper box test
.
Understand the different grades of Leupold and Bushnell.
Have not studied the Vortex brand of scopes.
Not to impose too much work on anyone, but...
What are the different grades of Vortex scopes and their distinguishing factors and price range ?
.
Re: Vortex Viper box test
I believe it goes: Crossfire, Diamondback, Viper - in that order from "lowest" to "highest" quality. I've only ever looked through a Viper, but I liked what I saw. I just plunked the money down for one myself.
If you go to the SSS website, they have a breakdown of the Vortex scopes under "Optics" on the left.
http://www.sharpshootersupply.com/
Re: Vortex Viper box test
Here you go Hammer,
This is the Vortex website. Lots of info there on the different optic lines:
http://www.vortexoptics.com/category/riflescopes
Re: Vortex Viper box test
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pa Hog
Bird watch
Speeking of bird watching? ::) :-X
Oh, back on subject here, that Viper is one nice piece of glass for the money! The turrets are positive and the side focus works slick. as far as the glass is concerned in my opinion it is easily the equal of the 4200 elites that I have. Also has some 3 times the adjustment range for windage and elevation for about the same price.
Re: Vortex Viper box test
i have the same scope and been having problems with it. so much i sent the first one back to Vortex and am on my second one. the repeatability of adjustments is good. its the amount of "zero" movement per click.
[img width=337 height=450]http://i685.photobucket.com/albums/vv211/mxuanl/Armory/BoxTest.jpg[/img]
all mine group fine its where they hit per adjustment. the un-circled shots are mine and the circled ones are my friends doing the box test after me. for example the lower left target. from center that should be 2 MOA right, and 3 MOA down. look where the bullets hit and the lower left. whats up?
Re: Vortex Viper box test
That issue may or may not be the scope, but we dont know all your data.
First off you cannot expect a decent group at each target when using 2 shooters. Lots of variables can be different(eyesight, cheekweld, ability, etc). Add in parallax
Other things that can throw the test off as well are things like: cleaning barrel during test period, variations in load, uneven cooling times between shots, uneven dialing of scope adjustments, etc.
BTW, that left target bullseye is actually 2moa down/2moa left from the main center bullseye. Not 2moa right/3moa down. Assuming those are 1moa blocks of course.
I dont know, could be a problem with the scope I guess. But would rule out all the other variables first. Are you having the same issues with the replacement scope they sent you? and did they find anything wrong with the original scope? If you're still having issues then it is most likely some other problem.
Re: Vortex Viper box test
sorry i meant lower right target. spoke to Scott at Vortex and suggested i look at my rings so that is the next step. this is the second scope. the first was replaced with this one as it had a weak erector spring in it. the 2 shots at the upper left, lower left and lower right are pretty close considering their from 2 different shooters. the circled shots are a friends and the uncircled are mine.
Re: Vortex Viper box test
What rings and bases are you using? How are they secured? Are the rings parallel and lapped?
Re: Vortex Viper box test
i have the XTR med rings with the EGW base. the rings are not lapped and must not be parallel if they're the problem.
Re: Vortex Viper box test
The XTR rings are the Burris Tactical 6 screw rings correct? I wonder if the scope is shifting under recoil? Or could the "Cant of the rifle" be the issue. That setup would put the center of the scope quiet high.
Re: Vortex Viper box test
yea, 6 screws. the scope bell is quite high off the barrel. called Burris and told them the scope and mount i wanted to use and they said the med if not high rings were needed. they were wrong. the height isn't much of a factor. with my stock pack i get a good cheek weld and scope/eye sight line up. it just looks really high. heres a pic of the rifle. this one isn't a Savage so here ya go...
[img width=600 height=450]http://i685.photobucket.com/albums/vv211/mxuanl/Armory/SPS-Vscope_angle1.jpg[/img]
[img width=600 height=450]http://i685.photobucket.com/albums/vv211/mxuanl/Armory/SPS-Vscope_right.jpg[/img]
Re: Vortex Viper box test
Wow!, that is off the barrel quite a bit. The greater the distance the center of the scope is from the center of the bore the greater the effect of canting the rifle.
Put it on a pivoting bipod and focus it on a target 300 meters away. Slightly tip it for side to side and watch the distance it moves from your target. One of my rifles is much more sensitive to cant then the others. To the point I marked the spirit level with very fine lines.
Re: Vortex Viper box test
One shot at each point isn't a valid sample from which to draw conclusions unless the combo has proven capable of routinely putting them all in the same hole with you at the trigger.
Re: Vortex Viper box test
when centered i am MOA with this rifle and my load regularly. i do understand the whole taller = more cant. the new set of rings will be lower but not right on top of the barrel though.
Re: Vortex Viper box test
Couldn't see the pics at work but now that I can, I'm amazed you can shoot that setup consistently at all. What is your anchor point on the stock? It certainly isn't the cheekbone.
Re: Vortex Viper box test
11fcns,
I would like to see you do a box test with more shots at each corner. Like atleast a 3-shot group, if not 5, all from one shooter. With more shots at each corner you even out alot of the variables(pulling/flinching on 1 shot, wrong click count one time, etc).
And also just use one shooter to rule that out, or each of you do separate tests and compare..
And shooting 1moa isnt the scopes fault at all. That is Remingtons fault ;) ;D.. Sorry, couldnt resist. :D