Stevens Model 200 Bull Barrel Problem

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05-26-2013, 11:11 AM
fla9-40

Stevens Model 200 Bull Barrel Problem

Have a rifle that has me stumped.

The particulars about the gun:

Bought used from Chain Store, No shot/PM history
Savage Stevens Model 200
Factory .223 Bull barrel
Factory adjustable trigger
Factory Stock (Not the junk Axis Stock)
Vortex Crossfire II Scope (Latest install)

I have tried:

Checked the crown and could not see any damage.
Friend ran a bore scope down it, nothing popped out at him
I cleaned the barrel numerous times:
Butch’s Bore Shine: No signs of copper/carbon fouled

Have installed:
Millet Tactical 6 screw rings
Burris 1" Signature Zee Weaver-Style Rings and .020 and .010 offsets in the
rings
3 sets of base’s
3 different Scopes
Factory and reloaded rounds

Problem:

On all range trips to try and get this thing shooting good, I ended up
running out of windage and elevation on the scope(all 3) and the gun still
shot 3ft to the left, and 2ft low @ 50yrds!! Yep that's right, 36" left
and 24" down!

The best I could bring it in was 18" left and 6" low @ 50yrds (With Burris
Signature Zee Weaver-Style Rings and .020 and .010 offsets in the rings).
Each time I pulled the bolt and looked down the barrel and could see the
green dot on the cardboard and then looked up at the scope and it was just
about dead on.

Thought the action might have not been drilled and tapped correctly so I
put a 3ft straight edge down the center of the base’s and measured the best
I could down the barrel to see if it did not run true but this all checked
out.

Here are some pic's... could this be the problem

Muzzle Right
http://www.nettally.com/kwd/59-223BullMuzzelRight-s.JPG

Muzzle Left
http://www.nettally.com/kwd/60-223BullMuzzelLeft-s.JPG

Should this be the problem, I wonder if Savage will even look at it???

What is so disturbing is that even though the thing is shooting 3ft left
and 2ft low it still has less then a 1" MOA with 5 shots!!!

Any one have any ideas???

Thanks in advance

Update:
I Changed the Barrel out to a 300aac Blackout, ran the scope back to
factory settings and it shot dead on!
Only took one round to site the scope in...

Still would like to know what the problem was...
05-26-2013, 11:22 AM
stangfish

Just for chits an giggles put it in some v blocks or roll it on a table to see if it is bent. Never seen a stevens bull barrel...! If it didn't have a Stevens stock or Axis stock(i don't know how it could) What makes you believe it is a stevens and not a savage? You might have a frankensavage that someone dumped.
05-26-2013, 01:20 PM
olddav

Could the scope mounting holes on the action be drilled off center?
05-26-2013, 01:49 PM
243LPR

Says he checked that with a 3 ft straight edge.
05-26-2013, 03:12 PM
olddav

Yep, missed that.
Measured three barrels that I have just to get a reference and all of mine measured symmetrical.
Can't wait to see what you find out.
05-26-2013, 04:04 PM
fla9-40

Quote:

Originally Posted by stangfish

Never seen a stevens bull barrel...! If it didn't have a Stevens stock or Axis stock(i don't know how it could) What makes you believe it is a stevens and not a savage? You might have a frankensavage that someone dumped.

I have not run the serial number yet, I was just going by the barrel that has Stevens Model 200 stamped in it (I know it could have been changed out) and the bolt that has Stevens, again could be changed out from original. It has the adjustable trigger that the Axis does not have. I have a couple of Axis with the limbo/flex stocks and this is not one of them(Action screw distance is different also) I guess I will have to get Savage to tell me what the action was born as to be sure.
05-26-2013, 04:16 PM
stangfish

Hmm, Stevens Bull Barrel. Learn something every day.

If one barrel is G2G and the other is not...my opinion is the barrel is off somehow. .011 is not good but I dont think it equates to x feet off.

Threads may be of axis or it may be bent. Did you check it for straightness yet?
05-26-2013, 06:23 PM
palerider338

Run your serial number through the Partfinder on the Savage website....then you will know what it started out as from the factory.
05-26-2013, 08:54 PM
fla9-40

Quote:

Originally Posted by palerider338

Run your serial number through the Partfinder on the Savage website....then you will know what it started out as from the factory.

Went on there site but could not find the "Partfinder"...do you have the link to this?
05-26-2013, 08:55 PM
fla9-40

Quote:

Originally Posted by stangfish

Hmm, Stevens Bull Barrel. Learn something every day.
If one barrel is G2G and the other is not...my opinion is the barrel is off somehow. .011 is not good but I dont think it equates to x feet off.

Threads may be of axis or it may be bent. Did you check it for straightness yet?

Have not had a chance to roll it to see if it is bent....
05-26-2013, 08:55 PM
BillPa

https://store.savagearms.com/partfinder/
05-26-2013, 09:05 PM
fla9-40

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillPa

https://store.savagearms.com/partfinder/

Thanks BillPa...will go now and see!
05-26-2013, 09:08 PM
fla9-40

Stevens Model 200 Bull Barrel Problem

Here is a couple of picks of the barrel.... Maybe I'm calling it a Bull Barrel and its not???

http://www.nettally.com/kwd/223.JPG

http://www.nettally.com/kwd/223b.JPG
05-26-2013, 09:11 PM
fla9-40

According to Savage website it started it's life as

Quote:

MOD 200XP 223 REM VARMINT BLK OX

And came with this barrel:

Quote:

BBL 223-5.56 TARGET/26 VR - P/N: 100915
05-26-2013, 09:23 PM
BoilerUP

Only place I've ever seen carry 200XPs is Gander Mountain.
05-27-2013, 12:02 AM
bootsmcguire

I was thinking that someone else had posted here once with a Stevens 200 that had a factory Varmint barrel on it, and the concensus was that those were a run for a chain store (Garnder Mountain, Cabela's, Dick's, etc.). Got me stumped on the bore measuring off like that. Check a couple of my factory savage varmint barrels and they are within .001" by my cals.
05-27-2013, 12:12 AM
short round

The chamber may be off center of the centerline of the barrel. couple years ago I saw a Howa off at the muzzle by about .065 & .040 at chamber. A barrel in that condition will not shoot accurate.
05-27-2013, 01:43 AM
Con

Quote:

Originally Posted by bootsmcguire

Got me stumped on the bore measuring off like that. Check a couple of my factory savage varmint barrels and they are within .001" by my cals.

It's not unheard of to shorten a barrel and find that the hole through the middle isn't centered.
Cheers...
Con
05-27-2013, 07:14 AM
fla9-40

I did measure the chamber and it measured 0.353 and the right was 0.344 difference of .009

I guess I can not complain real loud...I bought this rifle for its action only. (Price was real good) But I do wished it would have shot better then this in case I want to go back to it later on.

With the 300 Blackout varmint barrel on the action, it's shooting GREAT!
05-27-2013, 08:33 AM
palerider338

Quote:

Originally Posted by fla9-40

Went on there site but could not find the "Partfinder"...do you have the link to this?

https://store.savagearms.com/partfinder/
05-27-2013, 09:18 AM
bythebook

About 2 or 3 years ago I saw these guns in 223 and 22-250 at a Gander Mountain. The clerk I asked about them told me they were a special run for G.M. I thought when I first saw them that they were used, but they were new.
05-27-2013, 09:53 AM
fla9-40

Quote:

Originally Posted by palerider338

https://store.savagearms.com/partfinder/

Thanks palerider338 for the link....I guess I will have to call Savage to see what the DOB is.

I still wonder if Savage will maybe make it good seeing I have taken it off the action??? I guess if I don't ask, the answer is already NO! :p
05-29-2013, 02:01 PM
Maztech89

They won't touch it now that you pulled it apart.
05-29-2013, 02:23 PM
fla9-40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maztech89

They won't touch it now that you pulled it apart.

I thought as much!