Should all the sub-6mm calibers be dropped ?

[Hammer]

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A good 4 bore has barrels long enough that one needs to be aboard a steady horse in order to load it from the muzzle.

Plus a steady horse helps when shooting prairie dogs much beyond fifty yards.

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[Joe O]

Hammer,use more sweets in your bore.20cals are the prarie dogs worse nightmare,although they don't suffer flyng through the air in 6 pieces.Yeah,I have a 243AI for the long ones.

[Hammer]

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Don't know about those 20's.

Have been shooting 'em since long before the 204 Ruger was commercialized.

As well as the 17 caliber wildcats and the 14 calibers.

Don't think they are quite in the same ball park as a 257 Weatherby at 20 yards.

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[Scott Evans]

Next trip we're taking a 30-06 shooting 110 vmax's at 3900 FPS, does that get the Hammer Seal of Approval? ;)






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Don't know about those 20's.

Have been shooting 'em since long before the 204 Ruger was commercialized.

As well as the 17 caliber wildcats and the 14 calibers.

Don't think they are quite in the same ball park as a 257 Weatherby at 20 yards.

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[anomad]

This thread makes me want a .35 Whelen and inspires me to poetry.


A Haiku I call "Dangerous Game":

35 Whelen
H forty eight ninety five
a handgun bullet

[Samdweezel05]

There's a certain amount of arrogance about this thread;
almost as if creating controversy was its intention main intent.

Congratulations, it seems to have worked.

How about this; since there are far more "Sub-6mm" calibers in existance, why don't we just do
away with superfluous calibers like the 6mm's?

Are they really needed for hunting P-dogs?

HollowPoint


How about just creating an interesting conversation? You would have hated my ADHD thread.

[Hammer]

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Next trip we're taking a 30-06 shooting 110 vmax's at 3900 FPS, does that get the Hammer Seal of Approval?





The first bullets I ever loaded in a 308 Winchester were Speer 110 and Sierra 110 grainers.

They expanded well on soaking wet telephone books that I was using then.

Not sure about their penetration on prairie dog bulls.

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[Uncle Jack]

With dangerous game like that, best stick with solids, Old Boy.

uj

[tj66]

That is a good point. Would hate to have a varmint bullet blow up on a shoulder bone :D

[Scott Evans]

Well, shucks, since we aren't shooting wet phone books, we better try for 4000 FPS, don't want to make 'em angry at us and start charging.



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Next trip we're taking a 30-06 shooting 110 vmax's at 3900 FPS, does that get the Hammer Seal of Approval?





The first bullets I ever loaded in a 308 Winchester were Speer 110 and Sierra 110 grainers.

They expanded well on soaking wet telephone books that I was using then.

Not sure about their penetration on prairie dog bulls.

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[Hammer]

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The first 308 Winchesters I ever loaded was over forty years ago.

Didn't start shooting prairie dogs 'til a short time later.

Before then, my varmint of choice was the groundhog.

Did find that a 300 Weatherby with the right bullet would stop a groundhog at ranges under a hundred yards.

Think I'd go for the 30/378 Wby today in the 30 caliber niche.

But the 378 Wby with 300-grain Swift A-frames will work even better.

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[Eric in NC]

You don't use solids to ensure a good blood trail if the PH has to track the hog back to its burrow?

[Hammer]

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African PHs will sit around the campfire debating with you the merits of a premium controlled-expansion soft versus a traditional solid for use on cape buffalo, etc.

But when the shot is immanent -- right now -- they want a solid in both barrels.

Any soft is a risky proposition that you really have to ask yourself "Why ?"

If you could be certain that a controlled-expansion bullet would enter the PD bull tight behind the foreleg for a high heart - lung shot with the exit wound lined up for the off-shoulder... then you might risk it.

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[Apache]

I don't know........them PD bulls can give a serious mauling or even worse if you don't take 'em down with the first shot.

Even with the front shoulders broken down, they'll shove themselves with their hind legs just to get to you with their last dying breath!!!! and them tusks they have.....and those blood red eyes.....just give me the willies!!!

There's some past threads here about the dangers involved in that practice. ;)

Large bore (458 Lott or better) solids to the brain.....the only safe way. IF there IS anything safe about huntin PD bulls!!!

[bgc]

Whats a PH?

"African PHs will sit around the campfire debating with you the merits of a premium controlled-expansion soft versus a traditional solid for use on cape buffalo, etc."

[Uncle Jack]

A PH is a Professional Hunter; more commonly known as a "White Hunter" prior to PC days.

uj

[anomad]

What's a safe load for Nutria?

http://www.fws.gov/blackwater/images/nutria1.jpg

[hcpyro13]

Nothing less than a 180gr bonded assuming it's driven over 3000 fps

[Eric in NC]

What's a safe load for Nutria?

http://www.fws.gov/blackwater/images/nutria1.jpg



There is bravery then there is just plain stupidity - there is no SAFE load for nutria. If you are faced with one of those fanged devils you use the biggest cannon you can bring to bear and say your prayers.

When I roamed the swamps of central and south LA a 45-70 lever gun with hot hardcast loads was the biggest medicine I could bring along - never felt like I had enough gun for a run in with a 'rat.

[Apache]

That's the swamp water version of the western PD bulls!!!!

They can dump you right outta the boat...last thing people will see is your hat floating away and a swirl of bloody water...Hippos got nothin on them!!!