6ppc bolt face

[yorketransport]

Is SSS the only place that sells a PPC bolt face?

Andrew

[geargrinder]

That's the only place I've heard, but I'd be willing to be Stockade makes them as well.

[HankC]

Would that be the same bolt face as 7.62x39? Now Savage has a factory 7.62x39 rifle, they may offer bolt head as well.

[Blue Avenger]

If you know a competent smith, start with a .223 head and spin it out. then fit an extractor.

[82boy]

Yes, SSS is the only company that I know of that makes PPC bolt faces, they open up a 223 bolt head to PPc dimensions. Yes, a 7.62x39 bolt head is the same, and I am not sure who is selling this bolt head, I am also not sure that Savage is making a special bolt head for this, they may be using a standard bolt head and a special extractor. This works too, as some BR guys order a BR bolt face (There is a difference between a BR and a 308 in custom actions, it has to do with the extractor.) on there custom actions so they can switch between the two.

I would also argue that from what I have seen in the past Savage has a problem holding the dimensions right on bolt heads, heck do a search and see how many people are complaining that there gun has problems ejecting shells, it is predominate in 22/250, and 6BR calibers, the problem is from out of speck bolt heads. It would be quite possible that if they are making a PPC bolt head it is out of speck, and it may have problems. I have never heard of anyone owning a 7.62x39 gun yet, nor have I seen one, to know what they did, and if there is any problems. You could get by using a standard bolt fact with a custom ejector, but you are in the same boat, SSS is the only company I know of that makes a PPC extractor, and who's to say that the standard bolt head is in speck, and you may still have ejection problems.

One thing I can say for sure is the SSS PPC bolt head is in speck, and will eject the cases.

[yorketransport]

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If you know a competent smith, start with a .223 head and spin it out. then fit an extractor.
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I talked to a few of the local smiths and they told me I'd just be wasting my time with a PPC on a Savage, so they wouldn't even bother opening up the bolt face. ::)

Ejection isn't a big concern for me, only extraction. I considered just using a standard bolt face, but I don't want to start skimping on the quality of the build.

I'm still having a heck of a time deciding between the 6PPC and the 6BR, and the availability of a PPC bolt face could be a deciding factor. The PPC was my top pick until I found out that a local club holds an informal 600yd BR match once a month. From what I've learned, when you get past 300yds, the 6BR starts to show the edge over the PPC, so the BR may be a better choice.

Andrew

[82boy]

All I can say is don't give up on the PPC, It is ONE AWESOME ROUND! The PPC is most definitely not a wast on a Savage, you are talking to ignorant gunsmiths that are Remington based. Ask them is a 6PPC is a wast on a Remington, and then ask them why is it a wast on a Savage. Give SSS a call they may have PPC bolt heads in stock, and could ship out very fast.

The 6BR is a good round out at 600, depending on what twist rate you go the PPC can go that far too. Most people that shoot the PPC shoot a 1 in 14 twist, you could go with a fast twist. I talked to Joe Krupa once on the phone and he told me he uses a fast twist 6PPC on light African game. I guess you have to decide on what you plan on shooting more of, short range (100-300 yards) the 6PPC is king, the BR just doesn't preform like it. At mid range (600 yards) the BR would be the cartridge I would pick. With that said a 6PPC should have a 1 in 13 or 14 twist, and a 6BR should have a 1 in 8.

[Blue Avenger]

quote author=Blue Avenger link=topic=39559.msg274921#msg274921 date=1296920375]
If you know a competent smith, start with a .223 head and spin it out. then fit an extractor.

I talked to a few of the local smiths and they told me I'd just be wasting my time with a PPC on a Savage, so they wouldn't even bother opening up the bolt face. ::)
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Any good machinist can do it if you give them the dimensions you want. Really not that hard.

[Carvera]

I have personally seen that the SSS extractor can, and often does need a little bit of tweaking in order to work on a PPC bolt head (that at one time was a .223 bolt head). Now one might insinuate that the gunsmith who opened up the bolthead didn't do it to "spec", but I would argue that matter. The PPC bolt head can be a little tricky, but they are doable. I know of folks who use them in their Savage's and have great success.

I am glad that SSS offers the extractor, but you may still run into problems. You might try different extractor springs, and oversized ball and see if that helps. I would assume buying a complete PPC bolthead from SSS would get some extra attention needed in order to make sure that it will function correctly for their consumers. I have never bought one, so I can't comment on how theirs works.

When Savage puts out their 7.62X39 rifle, places like Midway will be quick to jump on and purchase these to sell on their site. I wonder when that takes place if they will also have special extractor parts that need to be purchased in order for the bolt head to work as it should?

[yorketransport]

Well, I wimped out and went witht the 6BR instead of the PPC. I tried all morning to reach SSS to ask about the PPC bolt head but I didn't have any luck. Then when Benchmark Barrels called me back to finalize my barrel order, I cracked under the pressure and just went with the BR. ;) I still want to try the PPC, but maybe I'll do it the easy way and just buy a used benchrest rifle and go from there.

For the record, I ended up ordering a 19", stainless, straight taper to .900, 3 groove, 7.5" twist barrel from Benchmark. They're going to send it off for the ferric nitirade finish (mostly because it looks cool). Now to begin waiting. ::)

Andrew

[sinman]

Opening up a 223 bolt head is no trouble and is defiantly not a waste on a savage.

[racinready300ex]

Well, I wimped out and went witht the 6BR instead of the PPC. I tried all morning to reach SSS to ask about the PPC bolt head but I didn't have any luck. Then when Benchmark Barrels called me back to finalize my barrel order, I cracked under the pressure and just went with the BR. ;) I still want to try the PPC, but maybe I'll do it the easy way and just buy a used benchrest rifle and go from there.

For the record, I ended up ordering a 19", stainless, straight taper to .900, 3 groove, 7.5" twist barrel from Benchmark. They're going to send it off for the ferric nitirade finish (mostly because it looks cool). Now to begin waiting. ::)

Andrew


I would just work up 2 loads, one with 105-108 BT bullets for the 600 yard shoots, and on with some 80 gr. FB bullets for the short range stuff.