KNS now available.

[Dave Hoback]

The KRG Bravo is available finally. And at $399, it’s a heck of a deal. I wonder if anyone who got the Magpul will have some buyers remorse after seeing this?

https://kineticresearchgroup.com/product/bravo-savage/


Edit: Sorry guys, had my Word Edit on & it thought I meant another site. I didn’t even notice until after posting.

[Hdskip]

Not to my tastes but it is a decently priced deal from what I can see.

[CFJunkie]

Dave,
I was impressed by their note that a .223/5.56 needed a bolt spacer to feed properly from an AICS mag.
My Oryx chassis worked perfectly without any spacers, one of the big benefits of using the AICS mag versus the Savage which has a spacer on the bolt.
In addition, the Savage hidden mag has a 1/2-inch spacer in the mag so there is about a 1/2 inch additional space available in the AICS mag.
My AICS mag lets me load out to an OAL of 2.500. More than I would ever need with a 1:9 twist barrel.

[Dave Hoback]

I’m not quite sure what they are speaking of. Don’t know why it’d be any different from any other chassis which uses ACIS mags. I guess they mean the difference in the front baffle between 223 & 308? I don’t know.. Anyhoo.. I don’t don’t 223 I any bolt action. 223 is strictly an AR proposition for me! And I like the Magpul ACIS 308 mags for general use & Accurate steel (no binder plate for 2.950”) for doing serious reloads.

I hope everyone understands I’m only posting this for others information. It’s good we have a running source of all the Chassis/Stocks available. I’m not looking at this chassis myself. I prefer the standard pistol grip, In-Line Chassis & I couldn’t be happier with my Mirage URL. (Especially since I’m about the only Savage owner using it, LOL!) But I do think KRG is a solid choice. Although once again, I think just as they made a mistake in not offering the Whiskey-3, I believe it’s also a folly in not making this one also work with Bottom Bolt Release Actions. But, not my call. Again, this is why MDT rules the roost in Savage Chassis choices & fitment.

[Ernest T]

Dave,
I was impressed by their note that a .223/5.56 needed a bolt spacer to feed properly from an AICS mag.
My Oryx chassis worked perfectly without any spacers, one of the big benefits of using the AICS mag versus the Savage which has a spacer on the bolt.
In addition, the Savage hidden mag has a 1/2-inch spacer in the mag so there is about a 1/2 inch additional space available in the AICS mag.
My AICS mag lets me load out to an OAL of 2.500. More than I would ever need with a 1:9 twist barrel.

What is the bolt stop they are talking about?

[Dave Hoback]

What is the bolt stop they are talking about?

Ernest, I they say the “bolt stop” must be modified. I’m guessing they are referring to the different 223/308 Front Baffle.

[Blue Avenger]

What is the bolt stop they are talking about?

It restricts the length of travel on the .223 bolt so the bolt will not slide back as far as a .308 bolt would. Cartridges that slid back in a full length clip would not be picked up if the moved back further then the bolt could travel.
baffle in this picture is the extended .223 version
https://www.savageshooters.com/content.php?158-Savage-Firing-Pins-Bolt-Faces
Baffle in this one is normal one
https://www.savageshooters.com/content.php?131-Savage-Bolt-Head-Configurations

[Dave Hoback]

Besides those Magnums, the Baffle shown at far Right, in the 2nd link is for an Axis as well. That is what dictates an Axis being Long Action or Short Action.

[Ernest T]

Ernest, I they say the “bolt stop” must be modified. I’m guessing they are referring to the different 223/308 Front Baffle.


It restricts the length of travel on the .223 bolt so the bolt will not slide back as far as a .308 bolt would. Cartridges that slid back in a full length clip would not be picked up if the moved back further then the bolt could travel.
baffle in this picture is the extended .223 version
https://www.savageshooters.com/content.php?158-Savage-Firing-Pins-Bolt-Faces
Baffle in this one is normal one
https://www.savageshooters.com/content.php?131-Savage-Bolt-Head-Configurations

thanks!

[Txhillbilly]

I’m not quite sure what they are speaking of. Don’t know why it’d be any different from any other chassis which uses ACIS mags. I guess they mean the difference in the front baffle between 223 & 308? I don’t know.. Anyhoo.. I don’t don’t 223 I any bolt action. 223 is strictly an AR proposition for me! And I like the Magpul ACIS 308 mags for general use & Accurate steel (no binder plate for 2.950”) for doing serious reloads.

I hope everyone understands I’m only posting this for others information. It’s good we have a running source of all the Chassis/Stocks available. I’m not looking at this chassis myself. I prefer the standard pistol grip, In-Line Chassis & I couldn’t be happier with my Mirage URL. (Especially since I’m about the only Savage owner using it, LOL!) But I do think KRG is a solid choice. Although once again, I think just as they made a mistake in not offering the Whiskey-3, I believe it’s also a folly in not making this one also work with Bottom Bolt Release Actions. But, not my call. Again, this is why MDT rules the roost in Savage Chassis choices & fitment.


Dave, The only difference between the Bravo chassis and the Whiskey 3 is the rear of the stock. Anyone that wants a Whiskey 3 can just buy the butt stock and put it on the Bravo chassis. The aluminum backbone and fore end are the same.

[Dave Hoback]

Dave, The only difference between the Bravo chassis and the Whiskey 3 is the rear of the stock. Anyone that wants a Whiskey 3 can just buy the butt stock and put it on the Bravo chassis. The aluminum backbone and fore end are the same.

EDIT: Ok.. I see what your thinking was TX. But it won’t work with the Savage Bravo. it IS a one-piece Chassis.

Here is the Rem. 700 Bravo. Clearly 2-piece.
https://i.ibb.co/HTvSq89/8-EF33-D71-1-A55-491-D-80-BF-2-A7937-C1-AA7-A.jpg (https://ibb.co/VYy1T4k)

And the Rem. 700 Whiskey-3; also clearly 2-piece.
https://i.ibb.co/MGf9bJJ/15-DD18-C1-B3-C3-45-F8-86-CC-12-CAB5-FDB4-D6.jpg (https://ibb.co/4Y2Jc00)

But the Savage Bravo is a ONE-Piece Chassis frame with the Aluminum bedding block.
https://i.ibb.co/k65jmPL/F0-EA528-C-4442-41-B7-B203-8388-CCCC837-E.jpg (https://ibb.co/sJbnWXT)

KRG made it different from all the other Chassis. So one can swap between the Bravo & Whiskey-3 Buttstock using the Chassis for a Rem. 700, or Tikka, but not with the Savage Bravo. With that, I stand by my earlier comment. While the Bravo looks like a high quality Savage Chassis & will no doubt make several people quite happy, I am disappointed in their very clear bias towards Savage. It’s bad business & just poor earning outlook. They are missing out on a huge portion of the market. Especially since the last 5-8 years.

And YES! I believe it is very clear bias. Willing to bet that one of the talking head, decision makers at KRG is probably an old school Rem.700 guy who HATES Savage rifles & likely can’t stand the thought of using a Barrel Nut. That would make sense as to why they stopped the 180-Alpha production, offer nothing but the Bravo style, and even did a full redesign, so as to Neuter any attempt by the owner of changing a component. Clear BIAS!

[Txhillbilly]

But it's really no different than Savage continually changing things on the 10 / 110 design trying to keep the Aftermarket and gun owners from doing what they wish to their gun's.
That is why the aftermarket for Savage has always lagged far behind that of the Remington 700 action footprint.

[Dave Hoback]

The point is moot. Savage is the Factory production company. KRG is among the aftermarket. Their sole mission is to offer consumers a means of leaving the Factory “Reservation”, so to speak. And using Savage’s various changes in past years is a weak argument. The current Savage has remained as it is, with the exception of also offering a Bottom Bolt Release, for 2 decades.

That argument loses all momentum for KRG as they already had designed & created the 180-Alpha, which WAS made like their others. There was NO reason for a redesign. So bringing us a “lesser than” over the Bravo that other manufacturers have access to is actually insulting. They have no excuse.
https://i.ibb.co/ypk0wS2/E321-C687-45-B1-4-ACA-A315-663-D728024-A4.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

[Fuj']

You do not want a 2 piece chassis for any type of serious shooting.
I still have my original MDT HS3 chassis, I had issues shooting a heavy
barrel and off a bi-pod. I tig welded the two sections together and made
it a shooter. MDT stopped making the HS3. They got it right by coming
out with a solid one piece chassis like the Oryx and pricing it for the
average shooter.

[Dave Hoback]

You do not want a 2 piece chassis for any type of serious shooting.
I still have my original MDT HS3 chassis, I had issues shooting a heavy
barrel and off a bi-pod. I tig welded the two sections together and made
it a shooter. MDT stopped making the HS3. They got it right by coming
out with a solid one piece chassis like the Oryx and pricing it for the
average shooter.

Fuj’, it’s just the outer “shell” that is two piece. KRG uses a full length Aluminum bedding block they call the “Backbone”, and then a composite shell that goes on the outside. When I say 2-piece, I’m simply speaking of the buttstock being a separate part that screw on. Much the same as the Buttstock on my Mirage, or on any of the MDT Chassis. I know your contention is with the forearm being one piece. Although I disagree with that as well.;)