Can someone possibly date this rifle?

[Sh40674]

Was at the pawn shop and in a hurry, stupidly didn't check the serial number. It's a 110L in .270. Rifled sights. Has an older Tasco scope, one of the good old glossy ones (not sure if they ever offered a combo or it was added). Has the plastic piece on the notch for the bolt handle.
2 questions... cam anyone possibly give me an Era for this given the info?
And second, we're the rifled sight barrels any different from the smooth barrels in thickness, profile etc..? It's a great deal but not sure how much it's been shot

https://ibb.co/rZG9dz6

[Sh40674]

Can't get the image to come up.. try this
https://ibb.co/rZG9dz6

[Dave Hoback]

Here.. I fixed it for you. You want to use the “BBCode”

https://i.ibb.co/GVvmH82/20220816-121336.jpg (https://ibb.co/rZG9dz6)



Thats a classic! It’s a great PRE- 1966 with the countersunk Bolt Head.

To my knowledge, Savage has always used their own standard sizing. So if it is a “Sporter” barrel, it’s the same weather front sighted or not.

[Sh40674]

Thats a classic! It’s a great PRE- 1966 with the countersunk Bolt Head.

To my knowledge, Savage has always used their own standard sizing. So if it is a “Sporter” barrel, it’s the same weather front sighted or not.
Idea of value on this in good condition? Stock has wear but bluing over all looks really good. They want 280 plus tax

[Dave Hoback]

Buy it! I paid $270 for the one I have currently, and I only got it for the Action! That was 5 years ago! Absolutely worth $280

[Sh40674]

Buy it! I paid $270 for the one I have currently, and I only got it for the Action! That was 5 years ago! Absolutely worth $280

Is there anything better or worse about these older actions vs the modern action? I know parts and barrels are more limited. How about the recoil lug setup and bedding these?

[Dave Hoback]

Only difference is the barrel & bolt head. But I do believe you can replace both together, or the newer style, if you so choose. That said, there is no not point, as any qualified person can chamber a replacement barrel with the countersink. The Action is the same 5.062” Flat-Back, Long Action used since 1958.(Until it switched to Round-Back). It also uses the same small shank recoil lug & the bolt handle & BAS can both be swapped for more desirable, modern components, as well as the stock. Although I know a great deal would rather keep in it’s Classic arrangement. If you are worried about Barrel replacement, just have a look down the bore. As long as you see some* sharpness of lands & grooves, the stock barrel can be set back & re-cut for throat ware, at a minimum cost. It looks in relative good condition by the picture. Can’t see it all, but if there is little to no rust, nothing bent/broken or otherwise, it’s a sound purchase. Don’t think you’ll find anyone here who would question that.


Here’s a decent little article worth reading, by Massad Ayoob.
https://www.backwoodshome.com/savage-model-110/

[Dave Hoback]

By the by… here’s the difference between Pre & Post 1966 Bolt Heads, in case you are not already familiar.

https://i.ibb.co/VCFpCcL/8-DB97-F71-0-C44-4-C3-E-9079-9-CAEF527-C190.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

[PhilC]

Without a doubt a pre-66, price is good depending on condition. How many digits in serial number and what is the alpha character following the inspector's number in the oval barrel stamp (not the "SP" stamp)?

There's some good reference material in the History and Catalog sections of the FAQ at the top of the forum.

As far as better or worse than current actions, the pre-66 actions are unique unto themselves and many feel, myself included, these actions are smoother than later years and shoot amazingly well.

Barrels aren't just limited, they simply don't exist unless you find one that's been parted out. There are no aftermarket replacements available so to replicate a barrel will require custom turning. For this reason as well as the barrel recess and shrouded bolt these are not good actions to modify.

I have one that has been in my family since late '67 or early '68 and is one of the first 100 produced.

There are more differences than just the bolt head. Ejector is completely different as well as the magazine. If you want something to modify, you're better off choosing a post '68 action.

[Sh40674]

Without a doubt a pre-66, price is good depending on condition. How many digits in serial number and what is the alpha character following the inspector's number in the oval barrel stamp (not the "SP" stamp)?

There's some good reference material in the History and Catalog sections of the FAQ at the top of the forum.

As far as better or worse than current actions, the pre-66 actions are unique unto themselves and many feel, myself included, these actions are smoother than later years and shoot amazingly well.

Barrels aren't just limited, they simply don't exist unless you find one that's been parted out. There are no aftermarket replacements available so to replicate a barrel will require custom turning. For this reason as well as the barrel recess and shrouded bolt these are not good actions to modify.

I have one that has been in my family since late '67 or early '68 and is one of the first 100 produced.

There are more differences than just the bolt head. Ejector is completely different as well as the magazine. If you want something to modify, you're better off choosing a post '68 action.
It appears shaw offers a barrel to these.?

Does anyone know with these years and bolt is there any difference in replacing a barrel in the process as a new one? I'm actually doing a newer model 358 right now and it's pretty straightforward... swap barrels. Check headspace. As long as I have the proper (old style with countersink) barrel, is the process the same? Or is there any specifics with these old bolt faces/heads?

[Dave Hoback]

I already told you everything you need to know.:p Barrel replacement & setting headspace is the same. And the barrel nut is the same. Yes, Shaw makes the countersunk barrels to order. So, yes… they do exist! And, as I said, any half decent Smith can chamber a blank for you. I don’t think the Actions are any better or any worse. It’s the same flat-Back, Small-Shank, Long Action it was for for many decades.

Yes, the Ejector is different. Also, the retaining pin hole through the Bolt head is 180 degree out. By replacing the bolt I meant the whole bolt. One of these & a new style barrel. https://www.gunpartscorp.com/products/1984910A

Heres an old thread about the same thing. People have done this.
https://www.savageshooters.com/showthread.php?40870-Anyone-try-this-marriage&p=296492&viewfull=1

[Whynot]

Unless things have changes-- make sure you are happy with the trigger, because it is different and parts are not available. I purchased a aftermarket trigger that was supposed to be a drop in but it was a no go. I think with a little work you can put the other style savage trigger in it- but it's been some time- and can't remember. Mine moved on....

[PhilC]

The ejector isn't just different, it's also part of the action. Shrouded bolt and barrel recess aside, a later model bolt WILL NOT physically fit in the early action due to the ejector. Note the slot cut in the pre-66 bolt below which acts as a ramp to ride over the ejector (circled in green). Click on the pics to see full size.

This is not hypothetical, this is hands on with my post-66 long action bolt in the pre-66 action.

https://i.ibb.co/dD2dkPv/001a.jpg (https://ibb.co/dD2dkPv)

https://i.ibb.co/f2XKKwQ/003a.jpg (https://ibb.co/f2XKKwQ)

https://i.ibb.co/Dbm3NFw/bolts.jpg (https://ibb.co/Dbm3NFw)

https://i.ibb.co/CMVN115/closeup.jpg (https://ibb.co/CMVN115)

There are others here who've gone down this road and the consensus has been, as I posted previously, you're money ahead to start with a later action in the first place.

[Dave Hoback]

Actually Phil, the early Ejector is NOT part of the Action. It is a separate piece, sold as Right or Left. It can be easily removed like any other part, allowing a Post-6) bolt head to function normally. It’s already been done by people.

Here is a Schematic of a 110P, part #29.
https://i.ibb.co/cJZN50j/F25-B8621-1433-48-ED-B8-F4-520-C0-F7-CF965.jpg (https://ibb.co/4WXjyzH)

And the Ejector itself.
https://i.ibb.co/thz2VTm/E65-DA53-B-DF26-4-DD5-8-F9-B-BDC4-DC4003-F0.jpg (https://ibb.co/GJ9Mz4x)

Nothing I post is hypothetical. If you take yours apart, you’ll see what I’m saying.

[Dave Hoback]

I’m not sure what you mean by “money ahead”. I guess that depends on one’s plans with the rifle. The barrel may be in acceptable condition for plinking/hunting. Or perhaps just need a new throat cut. What’s someone charge for that? Worst case, it needs a new barrel. Shaw DOES make these barrels, which you failed to concede to… guess I’m lying? So here’s proof right from them. Can order this right now & they have it done within 16 weeks. See the 2nd line where it says w/countersink.

https://i.ibb.co/M9YN13w/7-C75-BEC0-CD5-D-4534-B7-E3-C203-DC4-CFE7-F.png (https://ibb.co/SJhvm9Y)

Just to note. I’m not saying anything should be replaced or changed. But in the end, $280 is a really good price for any working 110.

[PhilC]

Agree on the price for a working 110 and if it's a shooter I'd enjoy it as is.

We had our granddaughters yesterday so I didn't have time to remove the action and the ejector until this morning while gathering gear for today's match. As pointed out, it does come out easily enough, and afterward, I was able to install, but not lock, my post-66 bolt. The ejector assembly does act as a spacer for the mag box which was noticeably looser without it. I can't say whether would, or would not, affect function.

Might be picking nits, but I consider something attached to the action, trigger group, safety, mag and ejector in this case, part of the action. Gotta run...

[Dave Hoback]

Granddaughters, (and Grandsons), are much more important than any of this. I’m looking for the day, if The Lord’s will is to bless me with having any. ;) My son is older now than when my wife & I had him, so who knows.

[Robinhood]

I already told you everything you need to know.:p Barrel replacement & setting headspace is the same. And the barrel nut is the same. Yes, Shaw makes the countersunk barrels to order. So, yes… they do exist! And, as I said, any half decent Smith can chamber a blank for you. I don’t think the Actions are any better or any worse. It’s the same flat-Back, Small-Shank, Long Action it was for for many decades.

Yes, the Ejector is different. Also, the retaining pin hole through the Bolt head is 180 degree out. By replacing the bolt I meant the whole bolt. One of these & a new style barrel. https://www.gunpartscorp.com/products/1984910A

Heres an old thread about the same thing. People have done this.
https://www.savageshooters.com/showthread.php?40870-Anyone-try-this-marriage&p=296492&viewfull=1

I think Dave meant 90 degrees out.

[Dave Hoback]

Yes, thank you Robin. :p