Stocking up vs. Hoarding

[Stumpkiller]

Yes. Fear of supply being cut-off mostly. Guess it is proven justifiable with current conditions.

[JASmith]

I prefer to consider it a "strategic reserve".


...and how is the size of our strategic reserves set?

Establish how far out the strategic reserve stockpile might be needed
Estimate probable quantities needed over and above normal production rare.
Purchase and store the identified items.

This does not map into the definition of hoarding since there is an identified need.

[charlie b]

I don't see how a need would make it not hoarding. You are still collecting something.

Still don't understand why anyone cares if they are hoarding or stockpiling.

I hoard ammo and reloading supplies. And hand tools. And sewing machines.

[mattri]

Interesting topic. Here's a question:

I do not currently shoot anything that uses small rifle primers. Our lgs recently had some srps come in, and limited purchase to 200 per person per day. I would stop by and buy 200 srps on my way home from work. I did this for a while and with what I had laying around I now have 1500 srps that I do not need.

I did this so that I would have something to trade. The powder/primers etc that I use are not readily for sale- so having these srps hopefully positions me to be able to acquire them in trade.

I don't plan to jack the price way up or be unreasonable, just trade fairly for something useful to me at equal value rates.

Is that hoarding? I don't think so but interested in other's opinion.

Thanks, Matt.

[Stumpkiller]

I did the same thing with CCI .22 LR boxes. I don't shoot much .22 LR, but they were rationed out 2/50 round boxes per customer at the local Gander Mt (now closed) and I figured A.) if I need to shoot to eat it's a great choice and B.) it is a small item easily converted to trade for things I do need.

And C.) If neither A or B I can have fun plinking!

[cchgn]

I stock up, my wife hoards...lol

[Fuj']

Interesting topic. Here's a question:

I do not currently shoot anything that uses small rifle primers. Our lgs recently had some srps come in, and limited purchase to 200 per person per day. I would stop by and buy 200 srps on my way home from work. I did this for a while and with what I had laying around I now have 1500 srps that I do not need.

I did this so that I would have something to trade. The powder/primers etc that I use are not readily for sale- so having these srps hopefully positions me to be able to acquire them in trade.

I don't plan to jack the price way up or be unreasonable, just trade fairly for something useful to me at equal value rates.

Is that hoarding? I don't think so but interested in other's opinion.

Thanks, Matt.

I guess in this scenario, we enter the words "Trade, and Barter". I guess
one could say they are hoarding stockpiles for when times head south.
Hence, plural. Store that hoarded stockpile of ammo next to the TP and
whiskey......

[yobuck]

Interesting topic. Here's a question:

I do not currently shoot anything that uses small rifle primers. Our lgs recently had some srps come in, and limited purchase to 200 per person per day. I would stop by and buy 200 srps on my way home from work. I did this for a while and with what I had laying around I now have 1500 srps that I do not need.

I did this so that I would have something to trade. The powder/primers etc that I use are not readily for sale- so having these srps hopefully positions me to be able to acquire them in trade.

I don't plan to jack the price way up or be unreasonable, just trade fairly for something useful to me at equal value rates.

Is that hoarding? I don't think so but interested in other's opinion.

Thanks, Matt.
Well my opinion is to do what you do because it suits you.
To hell with what others think of what you do.

[JASmith]

in my view, the boundary between hoarding and stockpiling is both broad and nuanced. The pure-black hoarder buys stuff he does not neeed nor does he have a specific idea if how or how soon he will need the item.

Examples:


The pure white stockpiler will buy 100 primers in the morning because he plans to prime 75 pieces if brass that evening, but buys the whole brick of 1,000 to get a price break and knows he will have used them within six months to a year.

The hoarder will buy large quantities primers of a size he has no cartridges for and hold on to them indefinitely because he might some day have a cartridge that uses them. (not sure if this is pure black or merely a dark shade of gray)

A lighter shade of gray is the poster above who buys primers with the intent of trading for something he needs. (slightly darker when supplies are critically short but there would be no point in times of plenty...)

[charlie b]

According to Webster, hoarding is simply collecting/acquiring something. Doesn't matter why or what you do with it.

And, yes, collecting a bunch of rare items for future trade is just a business practice.

Some circumstances you do run the risk of being accused of price gouging. It depends on whether or not your goods are deemed essential goods (like water, gas, etc). Some people might consider ammunition as essential goods in some circumstances.

From the state of California web site:
"Price gouging refers to sellers trying to take unfair advantage of consumers during an emergency or disaster by greatly increasing prices for essential consumer goods and services.

In certain circumstances. California’s anti-price gouging statute, Penal Code Section 396, prohibits raising the price of many consumer goods and services by more than 10% after an emergency has been declared."

[J.Baker]

Whatever the definition, a few guys out at my local range today apparently weren't all that worried about shooting up their supply of ammo. I live about 3/4 mile from the range (as the crow flies) and in the 15-20 minutes I was out on the patio this afternoon I counted in excess of 200 rounds fired from what had to be semi-autos rifles given how quickly they were shooting and the lapse between the report and ring of the steel plates.

[yobuck]

Whatever the definition, a few guys out at my local range today apparently weren't all that worried about shooting up their supply of ammo. I live about 3/4 mile from the range (as the crow flies) and in the 15-20 minutes I was out on the patio this afternoon I counted in excess of 200 rounds fired from what had to be semi-autos rifles given how quickly they were shooting and the lapse between the report and ring of the steel plates.
I wonder how many target frames are still in the upright position?

[Fuj']

Another version of hoarding is someone not capable of throwing
anything out. I'm sure most have heard stories of elderly's that
have passed, and the people called in to clean the house up find
stacks of magazines and newspapers dating back 40 or more years.
I guess maybe some sort compulsive mental disorder. Also people
that hoard pets in squalor conditions. It's sad when them stories
hit the news.

Either way....I have some shopping to do this morning, and I'm going
to hoard me some wings for the freezer.

[charlie b]

Yes, the term hoarder has become more commonly associated with those whose mental state causes them to keep 'collecting' stuff that they do not 'need'.

My mother did that with clothing (and some other types of items like dishware). She was a child of the depression. She was 17 before she had a new dress of her own, and she had to make it herself. When she could afford to buy her dresses she would keep them for many years and then would 'gift' them to someone she knew (usually one of my many cousins). Even when in her 80's she had a closet stuffed full of clothes she never wore, many that didn't fit her either. She could not get rid of them because they were in too good a condition.

Yes, we also ran into an older gent who could have been called a hoarder. A farmer who always wore the same clothes. So people would give him new clothes. When he died his house was spotless. But, he had neat stacks of newspapers and magazines floor to ceiling, sorted by label. Along with very clean stacks of aluminum frozen dinner trays. Drawers and closet stuffed full of all the new clothes, still with the tags on. He had boxes of tools that were new in the box and never used. He also had a drawer filled with 35mm film canisters, all of which were filled with silver quarters. Another drawer had a bunch of film boxes that were filled with rolls of $20 bills. Turns out he didn't trust banks either. Hoarder? He obviously didn't 'need' all of that stuff, but, he kept it anyway.

Are those cases of 'hoarding' or just being frugal? After all, most of that stuff was not 'needed'. But, according to many, they would be considered 'hoarders' in the definition of mentally ill.

Yes, there are people who have an uncontrolled habit, which psychiatrists have labelled hoarding.

BUT, it still does not change the meaning of hoarding in the normal sense of the word.

Sorry, that's my last post in this thread. Beating a dead horse and all. I suspect in a few years Webster will change the definition so that hoarding always refers to those with a mental illness and drop the 'normal' definition of the word.

[JASmith]

Concur with charlie b....

[TheDeicide]

Another thought it depends on the weapon if you can afford it and it's for a precision rifle buy enough of everything to burn out the barrel

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That's how I look at it. I have enough powder to burn out 2 of my rifles. I never understood why people needed 40 or more pounds of powder or 5000-10000 primers until I started loading for a 5.56, and 40, and then add my kids' rifles and my magnums on top of that. A year ago when the plant closed for covid, I burned through more than 5# of powder and over 4k primers and bullets in a week. Now I'm scared to shoot too much because supplies are limited.

I am guilty of buying stuff I don't need. I bought RL26 and IMR 8133 for trade fodder.

[Nontypical]

Ammo and supplies are going to be more valuable than the currency we now use at some point and can be traded for things needed. If this keeps up and they just keep printing money as they please, they value of the dollar isn’t going to be worth a thing. Look at was has happened with other socialist countries.
Also the restrictions are only going to increase. I use to be able to buy 9mm for a rifle in my commie state, but now I need a pistol permit for that. NJ has followed suit for .223/.556. Since you can shoot it out of a pistol, you must have a pistol permit to buy it in NJ. If they can’t take away our guns, they will make it harder to acquire ammunition. I’m stockpiling.

[yobuck]

Yes, the term hoarder has become more commonly associated with those whose mental state causes them to keep 'collecting' stuff that they do not 'need'.

My mother did that with clothing (and some other types of items like dishware). She was a child of the depression. She was 17 before she had a new dress of her own, and she had to make it herself. When she could afford to buy her dresses she would keep them for many years and then would 'gift' them to someone she knew (usually one of my many cousins). Even when in her 80's she had a closet stuffed full of clothes she never wore, many that didn't fit her either. She could not get rid of them because they were in too good a condition.

Yes, we also ran into an older gent who could have been called a hoarder. A farmer who always wore the same clothes. So people would give him new clothes. When he died his house was spotless. But, he had neat stacks of newspapers and magazines floor to ceiling, sorted by label. Along with very clean stacks of aluminum frozen dinner trays. Drawers and closet stuffed full of all the new clothes, still with the tags on. He had boxes of tools that were new in the box and never used. He also had a drawer filled with 35mm film canisters, all of which were filled with silver quarters. Another drawer had a bunch of film boxes that were filled with rolls of $20 bills. Turns out he didn't trust banks either. Hoarder? He obviously didn't 'need' all of that stuff, but, he kept it anyway.

Are those cases of 'hoarding' or just being frugal? After all, most of that stuff was not 'needed'. But, according to many, they would be considered 'hoarders' in the definition of mentally ill.

Yes, there are people who have an uncontrolled habit, which psychiatrists have labelled hoarding.

BUT, it still does not change the meaning of hoarding in the normal sense of the word.

Sorry, that's my last post in this thread. Beating a dead horse and all. I suspect in a few years Webster will change the definition so that hoarding always refers to those with a mental illness and drop the 'normal' definition of the word.
That will become a job for the (thought police) Charlie, and they are already busy at work as you have no doubt noticed.
Webster actually wont become involved untill told to do so.

[Fuj']

My latest hoarding endeaver......I found a site that had 3 lbs of Lovex
Precision rifle powder. It's near Varget in the burn rate. I have a new
wild cat I'm working on and could use this powder for early testing. A
pound would do me, but then again if it turns out to be better then
sliced bread, I better get a second......So I bought all 3 !!

[Danatkins8605]

My latest hoarding endeaver......I found a site that had 3 lbs of Lovex
Precision rifle powder. It's near Varget in the burn rate. I have a new
wild cat I'm working on and could use this powder for early testing. A
pound would do me, but then again if it turns out to be better then
sliced bread, I better get a second......So I bought all 3 !!F em if they don't like it. I say as long as it's not being resold who cares. I bought an 8 pounder of h4350 from a guy a month or so ago it'll last me quite a while but you know what I don't have to worry about prices for probably at least 5 years

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