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bluealtered
11-23-2010, 12:06 PM
Well i couldn't stand it, so i took the p.c. lower which is m4 style and a standard lower which happens to have a a2 stock and weighed them, not the same but thats what was at hand. The p.c. came in at 1lb 11ozs, the standard came in at 2lb 8ozs. My 18" 6.8spc comes in at (scoped) 7lbs 11ozs with the empty p.c. lower, not to bad for a high cap. .270. blue

Bigfoot
11-26-2010, 02:45 PM
If you guys are finished now can we get back to the new Savage rifles?

Looks like Savage gave them(the Model 11 Lightweight Hunters) 20" barrels assuming this page is correct. I was afraid that they would do that that. Two inches more barrel only weighs a few ounces.

http://www.lipseys.com/itemfinder.aspx?mfg=Savage+Arms&family=11+%2f+111+Hunter+Series&model=11+LightWeight+Hunter

tammons
11-26-2010, 05:57 PM
I prefer 19-20" barrels myself for normal hunting rifles.

For the 243 with most any bullet over 80 gr, 7mm-08 and 308 with heavier bullets,
just load with RL17 and you can best most other powders in a 22" barrel by probably 25-50 fps.

I am getting 3350 fps with an 18" bbl in 243 with the 80 gr TTSX over RL17.

I am getting 2450-2475 out of a 19" barreled 308 with the 208 gr amax over RL17.
Shot a deer with it this morning and impressive results. That will be supersonic out past
1000 yards with 850 fpe out to 1000 yds.

The 7mm-08 is similar with the 162 amax only faster.
High BC, high SD.

Bigfoot
11-26-2010, 06:52 PM
Please tell me they didn't put a 20" barrel on a 6.5-284 long action.

http://www.lipseys.com/itemdetail.aspx?itemno=SV111LWH6.5N&mfg=Savage+Arms&family=11+%2f+111+Hunter+Series

tammons
11-26-2010, 09:18 PM
Thats not a good match.
Think I would rather have a 260 rem.

dkevinbarnes
12-08-2010, 09:54 AM
They're now listed on Savage's website. I can't believe they have wood stocks. How much could you get the weight down with a factory tupperware stock? I also expected it to have a blind magazine. How do you guys think they are cutting so much of the weight?


http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/models/

possum1
12-08-2010, 10:23 AM
Look's like with the shorter barrel and fluted bolt ???

tammons
12-08-2010, 10:34 AM
They're now listed on Savage's website. I can't believe they have wood stocks. How much could you get the weight down with a factory tupperware stock? I also expected it to have a blind magazine. How do you guys think they are cutting so much of the weight?
http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/models/


A wood stock can be pretty light but I would guess a tupperware stock would be 6 oz or so lighter.
A carbon fiber stock would beat the tupperware stock by a good bit.

Reducing the barrel weight can knock off a huge chunk of weight without too much expense. Thinner shorter barrels.

My 19" barrel 308 stevens weighs 7# with scope, dry.

That is with a tupperware stock, EGW base, Extreme rings, leupold 2-7x VX1 scope.
I could lose 5-6 more ounces and some $ with a lighter scope mount, ultralight rings, and an ultralight scope.

Beyond that you need a pencil barrel and then flute the bolt for a few more ounce.

After that you can start cross drilling and or using exotic materials and whatnot and it becomes a lot more costly.

Uncle Jack
12-08-2010, 11:25 AM
Rifle details:

Printable version Dealer locator Buy it now Availability


Model: 11 Lightweight Hunter
Series: Specialty
AccuTrigger: Yes
Sights: Drilled and tapped for scope mounts
AccuStock : No
Magazine: Internal box
Stock material: Wood
Barrel material: Carbon Steel Stock
finish: Matte
Barrel finish: Matte
Stock color: Natural
Barrel color: Black
Action: Short

Available chamberings:
SKU Caliber:
Rate of
Twist:
Length*:
Weight*:
Ammo
Cap.:
MSRP**:
Barrel: Overall:

19209 308 WIN 1 in 10" 20" 40.25" 5.5 lbs 4 $875.00
19208 260 REM 1 in 8" 20" 40.25" 5.5 lbs 4 $875.00
19205 223 REM 1 in 9" 20" 40.25" 5.5 lbs 4 $875.00
19206 243 WIN 1 in 9.25" 20" 40.25" 5.5 lbs 4 $875.00
19207 7MM-08 1 in 9.5" 20" 40.25" 5.5 lbs 4 $875.00

memilanuk
12-08-2010, 11:46 AM
I was kind of interested in these as well; years ago I had a Model 7 stainless/synthetic in .260 Rem that I always regretted selling. I was rather surprised at the wood stock on the Lightweight Hunter guns myself.

This entry for the 111LWH makes me chuckle, though:

19212 6.5 x 284 NORMA 1 in 8" 20" 41.5" 6.0 lbs 4 $875.00

6.5-284 in a 20" barrel seems like an odd choice... ;) unless you want the option of pre-singing the hair off your target at closer ranges...

Uncle Jack
12-08-2010, 11:58 AM
Take your ear muffs and sunglasses with you hunting.

uj

flyinsquirel
12-08-2010, 01:15 PM
Kind of disappointed they aren't offering a stainless plastic stock version. How long do you think we'll have to wait for a weather warrior version? A 22" barrel also please :)

cowboyarcher
12-08-2010, 03:47 PM
Did you guys notice the flutes in the receiver? Looks like they shed some weight there too. . .

flyinsquirel
12-08-2010, 05:48 PM
Any chance this action would fit in a short action centerfeed plastic stock?

For those that didn't notice, on the savage site at the bottom of the page is a link to a higher quality pic of the rifle.

Bigfoot
12-09-2010, 04:45 AM
Kind of disappointed they aren't offering a stainless plastic stock version. How long do you think we'll have to wait for a weather warrior version? A 22" barrel also please :)
Pretty please?

Barrel nut. :) Check. Although the one in the pic needs to thrown back into the reject bin where it came from.

Wood stock? ??? Unexpected but OK.

20" barrels? :-[ Ehh.

The milled receiver shows that it's a picture of A lightweight rifle but something is screwy. I see a drop magazine which I like but the specs say internal mag. My guess is they have more lightweight models coming so wait a bit and I'll bet we'll see some longer barreled, drop magazine models and composite stocks would be a good bet too. :)

Weird that they would chamber 7.62x39 in the Scout Rifle but not use the new lighter receiver. The old Scout Rifle which main reason for existence is light weight now looks like a heavy pig in comparison. I'd expect a change there also.

cowboyarcher
12-09-2010, 04:08 PM
Kind of disappointed they aren't offering a stainless plastic stock version. How long do you think we'll have to wait for a weather warrior version? A 22" barrel also please :)
Pretty please?

Barrel nut. :) Check. Although the one in the pic needs to thrown back into the reject bin where it came from.

Wood stock? ??? Unexpected but OK.

20" barrels? :-[ Ehh.

The milled receiver shows that it's a picture of A lightweight rifle but something is screwy. I see a drop magazine which I like but the specs say internal mag. My guess is they have more lightweight models coming so wait a bit and I'll bet we'll see some longer barreled, drop magazine models and composite stocks would be a good bet too. :)

Weird that they would chamber 7.62x39 in the Scout Rifle but not use the new lighter receiver. The old Scout Rifle which main reason for existence is light weight now looks like a heavy pig in comparison. I'd expect a change there also.


The threads are showing from under the barrel nut in one photo too, lol. . .

yellowhammer1
12-17-2010, 11:02 AM
its not accu-stock, but i don't see the bolt release. how do you get the bolt out?