Savage 11 blew up

[sharpshooter]

Possibly the cocking piece became unscrewed allowing the firing pin to strike the primer. How else could it fire with the bolt open cocked position?

I doubt that it came unscrewed, but it could have separated from a bad thread joint, or just plain break at the end of the threads(highly unlikely) and the spring would push the the firing pin to the fired position, still leaving the cocking piece in the cock detent. We'll found out if or when he tears it apart.

[hdball]

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[hdball]

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[oley55]

Despite what some have already suggested, I would think long and hard before I personally disassembled the bolt or anything else for that matter. If you are considering litigation then let your attorney find the appropriate weapons expert.

If not a look see by your personally known gun smith would probably acceptable. Better yet let your gun smith deal directly with Savage. IMO

But I must admit my curiosity level is at DEFCON 9 or something like that.

[Robinhood]

I doubt that it came unscrewed, but it could have separated from a bad thread joint, or just plain break at the end of the threads(highly unlikely) and the spring would push the the firing pin to the fired position, still leaving the cocking piece in the cock detent. We'll found out if or when he tears it apart.

That was along the lines of my thinking.

[justpassinthru]

As I understand this, Savage uses two different bolt designs and I don't know enough about this to identify which one this is.
Will someone clarify this for me?

[hdball]

Yeah. We aren't touching the gun until we decide what were going to do. I was thinking about taking it to a gunsmith tomorrow just to see what he thinks before we move forward.

[Robinhood]

As I understand this, Savage uses two different bolt designs and I don't know enough about this to identify which one this is.
Will someone clarify this for me?


The one it would have to be to come apart (multiple pieces):
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The style that we are starting to see in some production 110 models.(I believe this is an axis but the 110 is very similar)More like a one piece.
https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/d145/82boy/boltdisasembled.jpg

[justpassinthru]

Thanks!

[sharpshooter]

The answer is inside the bolt. If the cocking piece became separated from the pin, it will have spring tension on it. You can simply rotate the cocking piece pin away from the detent, and if it stays up, that means it has separated from the main pin. For what reasons you won't know until it is disassembled. It's a freak occurance anyway you look at it.

[Texas10]

Yeah. We aren't touching the gun until we decide what were going to do. I was thinking about taking it to a gunsmith tomorrow just to see what he thinks before we move forward.

You are wise to keep everything untouched so that you don't possibly corrupt any evidence. The chain of events leading to failure will certainly be of interest to both Savage and any attorney you choose to hire. I'd let your attorney guide your course of action. Do not send it back to Savage, as much as I like the company and their products, there is some liability for your son's injuries. They have insurance for that sort of thing, so follow your attorneys advise and let it play out.

I hope and pray your sons injuries are not permanent.

FWIW; I had a model 11 in 243, but sold it last year. Great rifle! My son took his first buck with it, but it was a left hand model, and he is a righty.

[wbm]

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[grouse]

That is a newer lwh and very likely has the newer firing pin. Can you take a photo of the rear of the bolt where the big screw threads in?

[nksmfamjp]

Why is the standard reaction to sue the gunmaker....or the ammo maker? Why not call Savage and ask them to look at it. If the injury created some “loss” for your son, ask them to pay for it. I would bet they would be thrilled to deal with someone not immediately thinking how can I sue. Maybe contact the ammo maker too. Ask them to pay an independent gunsmith of your choice.....I don’t know. I’m not an attorney and never seen a problem solved by one.

[Whynot]

Why is the standard reaction to sue the gunmaker....or the ammo maker? Why not call Savage and ask them to look at it. If the injury created some “loss” for your son, ask them to pay for it. I would bet they would be thrilled to deal with someone not immediately thinking how can I sue. Maybe contact the ammo maker too. Ask them to pay an independent gunsmith of your choice.....I don’t know. I’m not an attorney and never seen a problem solved by one.

I haven't seen people telling him to sue.... I've seen people telling him to document everything. After he sends the gun to savage and they say "It must have been your fault"- that's a piss poor time to start documenting things. Maybe Savage will treat him right and he wont need the evidence... (maybe it wasn't savages fault at all)... but advising lots of pictures and evidence isn't the same as telling someone to sue.

[Whynot]

Hdball.... did the bolt come all the way out of the action?? Or did the bolt stop do it's job?

[Orezona]

Why is the standard reaction to sue the gunmaker....or the ammo maker? Why not call Savage and ask them to look at it. If the injury created some “loss” for your son, ask them to pay for it. I would bet they would be thrilled to deal with someone not immediately thinking how can I sue. Maybe contact the ammo maker too. Ask them to pay an independent gunsmith of your choice.....I don’t know. I’m not an attorney and never seen a problem solved by one.

I didn't say sue, lawyer, court or money. I said take pictures and don't shoot any more rounds out of the factory box. Geez....

[hdball]

I don't necessarily want to sue anyone either. Especially in today's day and age where there seems to be a war on the firearm community. I feel like we're all on the same team and suing savage would kinda be like attacking one of our own. I also have to be realistic about the situation. My son's 17, a baseball player, aspirations of playing in college, and while there's supposedly no nerve damage in his hand, until he can start working out again we don't know anything. I can post pics of his hand if y'all would like to see? Just didnt know if the would be considered appropriate or not.

[hdball]

The bolt shot all the way out of the gun. It was laying on the ground after everything blew up.