Savage F/TR in 308win

[ron.ingram45]

Anyone running Hornday 168 ELDMS with much success? Got 1/2 moa at 100yds and opened up to 2.5 moa at 200yds using varget. Back to 1 moa at 1000yds.

Ordered 155g Bergers hybrid target to try. Anyone getting better results doing the same?



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[charlie b]

I ran mostly SMK's in my 12. ~MOA to 600yd, but most of that was my shooting. I think the rifle was capable of much better. I shoot cast in it now.

.308's seem like they can be picky about bullet weight. Some like heavy, some like light. If you want to reach 1000 then the bullet needs to stay supersonic, which usually means 168 or bigger.

https://www.6mmbr.com/308Win.html

These guys say the 155 Scenar might work.

[hamiltonkiler]

I’m no expert and always kinda shy to say. But.... smk bullets in a name brand stock load will prove its point. Australian outback 168gn smk load is as accurate as you.
FGMM is supposed to work as blackhills.


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[mikeinco]

go heavoer ?
my savage 308 10 something does 1/2 moa with 185 lapuas

[charlie b]

You could also work up a couple loads. 155 for out to 600yd and then 180 or so for longer ranges. If you want the less recoil at shorter ranges. If the bigger bullets don't bother you then heavier is usually better (better drag numbers).

[stomp442]

The Berger 155s should get you to 1000 no problem. They have a BC thats very near the 168 class bullets and can be pushed quite a bit faster at the muzzle. Most of the serious match guys though are running the 185 Juggernaughts or heavier just so the effects of wind are minimized as much as possible. Keep in mind if you decide to try the 168 Sierra Match king that it has been well documented to become unstable shortly after the 600 yard mark due in most part to their nose heavy design. Great bullet but only at 600 and under.

[ron.ingram45]

That's what a good friend said about his 110 in 308. 168 in Serria and Hornady. His started tumbling at 700yds. Sub moa to 500yds.
Thank you for sharing with me your experience. Figured I would try the 155 berger hybrid target and then the 185s for the long range steel matches, 800yd to 1000yd, i attend. 155 for the groundhog matches that are only out to 500yds.

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[Robinhood]

go heavoer ?
my savage 308 10 something does 1/2 moa with 185 lapuas

The FTR is a 12 twist and the 10 is a 10 twist. That being said, many guys shoot 185 class bullets in their ftr's. Push em hard.

[hardnosestreetcop]

History has show that a 168 grain bullet, doesn’t do well at a 1,000 yards, that’s one of the reasons why Sierra came out with the 175 Gr MK.
The range limit for the 168’s is 600-850 yards.

[stomp442]

Just finished my load workup with my new to me factory Savage barrel. I settled on 155 Sierra TMKs over 46.0gr of H4895 in Peterson small rifle brass and CCI 450s. I just put it over the Magneto speed yesterday and was very surprised with the results. I am getting 3081 fps average and an SD of 5 over a 10 shot string. This should work nicely for 600 yards.

[Texas10]

I think you've got a winner there, stomp442. How does that H4895 work as the temps get hotter? Do you reduce the load a bit?

[stomp442]

Not sure yet in the .308 but it works fantastic in my wifes 6mmBR as well with no temperature issues at all. We shoot matches from January to October with temps in the low 30s for January and 100+ from June till September. We never change her load at all and she consistently beats me with her rifle. I am hoping the .308 does equally as well.

[ron.ingram45]

Anyone running Hornday 168 ELDMS with much success? Got 1/2 moa at 100yds and opened up to 2.5 moa at 200yds using varget. Back to 1 moa at 1000yds.

Ordered 155g Bergers hybrid target to try. Anyone getting better results doing the same?



Sent from my SM-G892A using TapatalkUpdate on the issue I was having with the hornady 168g ELDMS over varget. Foind that my action screws were really loose. Finger tight loose. Torqued the screws down per savage instructions and re ran the load development. Big differance. Woll have to see how they fly to 200 and 300yds before I lay judgment. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191230/38060aad4a43b1e90520df40fe14723a.jpg

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[jkv45]

Update on the issue I was having with the hornady 168g ELDMS over varget. Foind that my action screws were really loose. Finger tight loose. Torqued the screws down per savage instructions and re ran the load development. Big differance. Woll have to see how they fly to 200 and 300yds before I lay judgment.


Isn't their recommendation like 25 in/lbs?

Most find that to be too light, and torque in the 35 in/lbs and up seem to deliver better accuracy with the front screws being torqued first and to a higher amount that the rear.

Some info - https://www.accurateshooter.com/technical-articles/savage-action-screw-torque-tuning/

[ron.ingram45]

Isn't their recommendation like 25 in/lbs?

Most find that to be too light, and torque in the 35 in/lbs and up seem to deliver better accuracy with the front screws being torqued first and to a higher amount that the rear.

Some info - https://www.accurateshooter.com/technical-articles/savage-action-screw-torque-tuning/Yes, 35 inch lbs is what I torqued the 2 front screws. 15 inch on the front, then 15 on the middle then up 5 inch on each at a time till I had 35 inch on both. Then set the screw at the trigger gaurd to 15. Will adjust that screw to 20 inch once I develop a good load to see if the groups change.

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[6mmBR_Shooter]

History has show that a 168 grain bullet, doesn’t do well at a 1,000 yards, that’s one of the reasons why Sierra came out with the 175 Gr MK.
The range limit for the 168’s is 600-850 yards.

That 168 comment is referring to the original 168grain match bullets. AMAX and ELD don't have that issue. AMAX/ELD/TMK are certainly 1k capable.

For the lighter bullets...
I'm pushing the 150 SMKs at 3022fps with 44.8gr H4895 (Starline Match SP Brass, CCI 450) with an ES of 18fps.
155 SMK Palmas at 2930fps with 45.1gr H4895 (Starline Match SP Brass, CCI 450) with an ES of 20fps.

I've only got access to an 800yd range, but these loads are super accurate in a 24" BA LE Tactical and are supposedly supersonic to just past 1k.

The lighter bullets will get you out to distance, but they do get pushed around by the wind more than the heavies.

[hardnosestreetcop]

That 168 comment is referring to the original 168grain match bullets. AMAX and ELD don't have that issue. AMAX/ELD/TMK are certainly 1k capable.

For the lighter bullets...
I'm pushing the 150 SMKs at 3022fps with 44.8gr H4895 (Starline Match SP Brass, CCI 450) with an ES of 18fps.
155 SMK Palmas at 2930fps with 45.1gr H4895 (Starline Match SP Brass, CCI 450) with an ES of 20fps.

I've only got access to an 800yd range, but these loads are super accurate in a 24" BA LE Tactical and are supposedly supersonic to just past 1k.

The lighter bullets will get you out to distance, but they do get pushed around by the wind more than the heavies.

My 168 Gr comment was referring to being fired from a 22 inch M-14, from a 24-26 inch bolt gun the 168 Gr BTHP has a much better chance to make it out to 1,000 yards. Plus Hornady stop production of the A Max bullets. Just run the 175 Gr from a 24-26 inch bolt action, and remove all doubt !