Savage entering the “Higher End” of Bench rifles?

[Dave Hoback]

https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2019/10/4/savage-arms-to-debut-precision-series-chassis-rifles/

Pretty cool. But HOLY COW!! Those prices! I’ll stick with my DIY custom Savage. But I know some have more money than ability...so I’m sure they will have some homes.

[J.Baker]

Apparently you need to check the articles on the homepage more often if you're just seeing that.

http://www.savageshooters.com/content.php?523-New-Precision-Series-Rifles-From-Savage-Arms-Unveiled

As for the prices, yeah - they're a little "out there" for what you're getting IMO. Savage needs to realize they continue to shot themselves in the foot on a lot of these premium models as their customers know they can build essentially the same thing for a LOT less by starting with one of the 12 FV's from Cabela's. They have essentially devalued their own product with special runs like that in recent years. Just look at how cheap actions are selling for in the classifieds these days as proof of that.

[Dave Hoback]

Well I could have chimed in the conversation the thread there....oh wait a sec... there is NO discussion thread!


I never said, nor do I think I somehow discovered this. Just looked and found no discussion by anyone. Thought it’d be a good convo. Not sure why you try to call me out like I did something wrong, like you have some kind of vendetta. But, great example to set.

[6mmBR_Shooter]

This rifle is clearly designed for the production division class in PRS. However, for the $2k price there are a LOT of options I would choose over a Savage. Honestly, the price isn't terrible for the sum of all components, but I would look towards the MPA BA CMR that has a list of top end components. Maybe the Tikka TSR-1 as a second choice, also ahead of the Savage.

“Production Division combined rifle and scope MSRP as listed on the company’s website shall not exceed $3,000 USD, the rifle shall not exceed $2,000 USD and the optic not exceed $2,000 USD.Production Division rifles are not permitted to be altered or improved in any way from the original factory configuration.In an effort to prevent exorbitant costs for beginning shooters, Production Division round count will not exceed 80 rounds.”

[J.Baker]

Well I could have chimed in the conversation the thread there....oh wait a sec... there is NO discussion thread!


I never said, nor do I think I somehow discovered this. Just looked and found no discussion by anyone. Thought it’d be a good convo. Not sure why you try to call me out like I did something wrong, like you have some kind of vendetta. But, great example to set.

Wasn't calling you out, just noting that the info is readily available here rather than sending folks somewhere else. As for a discussion thread, every article posted automatically has a thread started for it which also shows up as replies to the article so you can post in the thread or as a comment to the article and it will be seen both places.


https://www.savageshooters.com/showthread.php?65230-Article-New-Precision-Series-Rifles-From-Savage-Arms-Unveiled

[Dave Hoback]

If that is the case, than I offer my apologies. To the other part, I did a search of all forums, and found nothing. Thought it would make for an interesting topic to discuss. If not, feel free to delete this thread. I’ll just go back to answering questions. LOL

[J.Baker]

Those posts for new articles are automatically created in the Article Discussions board.

[Chris3.Drums]

Mind if I ask a really stupid question?
What is it about the 12FV series that makes them such good starts for builds, I mean over the other Savage models? I have a 10T-SR, and want one day to build a rifle without spending $5K (I know, I know...LOL).

[charlie b]

Because they are cheap and you can frequently get them even cheaper with rebates and sales?

If I were starting a build I'd go for the least expensive one just for the action. Or...look in the classifieds here and see if an action pops up.



Wasn't calling you out, just noting that the info is readily available here rather than sending folks somewhere else. As for a discussion thread, every article posted automatically has a thread started for it which also shows up as replies to the article so you can post in the thread or as a comment to the article and it will be seen both places.


https://www.savageshooters.com/showthread.php?65230-Article-New-Precision-Series-Rifles-From-Savage-Arms-Unveiled


Am glad you posted that because I have never scrolled down that far on the forum page and I don't think I've ever looked at the forum home page except to register. I set up bookmarks for forum sections I am interested in and only go there.

[J.Baker]

Because they are cheap and you can frequently get them even cheaper with rebates and sales?

If I were starting a build I'd go for the least expensive one just for the action. Or...look in the classifieds here and see if an action pops up.

Am glad you posted that because I have never scrolled down that far on the forum page and I don't think I've ever looked at the forum home page except to register. I set up bookmarks for forum sections I am interested in and only go there.

Charlie hit the nail on the head. This time last year with the Savage rebate and Cabela's gift card you could essentially buy a brand new 12 FV for well under $300. That gets you an action with varmint trigger and a 26" heavy barrel. Even if you go with MDT's most pricey AAC chassis at $1,000 and spend $200 on an aftermarket trigger you're still going to be $200-300 under the street price of that new Elite Precision 110.

[Dave Hoback]

I do agree with that! I went even more affordable...picked up a used Model 10 for $170! I knew I was doing a complete build, but only so much money at first. Otherwise I would have gone with a 12 Action. Having a build you absolutely love everything about is a wonderful thing.

[Chris3.Drums]

Thanks for the info guys!

[CFJunkie]

I think the 12 FVs are favorite because they are low cost and regularly on sale.
I have two of them (a .223 and a 6.5mm Creedmoor) that cost $320 each on sale and they are very accurate.
My 10T-SR cost $500 in 6.5mm Creedmoor and also shoots accurately with an Accu-Stock and bottom mount bolt release.
The lower bolt release does somewhat limit choices for replacement stocks.

Most of us who have 12 FVs have found them to be really accurate out of the box.
However, for a build base, they have one issue IMO - they have hidden magazines.
I replaced stocks on both the 12 FVs with Oryx stocks that cost $450 and $489 respectively including the AICS detachable magazines.

That makes the 10T-SR a good choice if you want a detachable mag with an Accu-Stock and bottom bolt release to start your build.
But if you are buying a new barrel, a new stock with detachable AICS magazines, the cost difference favors the 12 FV.

[J.Baker]

One thing we have to remember here in this discussion is that not everyone has the skills/tools to build their own guns, or has the desire to for that matter. In fact, it's fair to say that those of us on this site are a very small minority of Savage owners who get our kicks tearing them apart and building them into whatever our hearts desire. New models like these, and many of the MSR's are geared specifically toward those who just want to buy something off-the-shelf that's ready to roll and they're willing to pay the premium price for them.

[Chris3.Drums]

Thanks again, and sorry for the hijack, Dave.

[Fotheringill]

"...5-4 lb user-adjustable AccuTrigger ...."

I hope that was a misprint because if this is a benchrest rifle at $2000 grand or so, I can't see even one sale for this.

[mnbogboy2]

"...5-4 lb user-adjustable AccuTrigger ...."

I hope that was a misprint because if this is a benchrest rifle at $2000 grand or so, I can't see even one sale for this.

Caught that one too, Think they meant 1.5-4 ??

[charlie b]

The Savage release said 1.5-4lb (varmint) trigger. I wonder why it is not the target accutrigger?

[J.Baker]

The Savage release said 1.5-4lb (varmint) trigger. I wonder why it is not the target accutrigger?

Likely due to the nature of the game the rifle is designed for (PRS). These guys are going for time and accuracy, so they aren't going to be babying the bolt while they work it and it's common knowledge that if you have the Target AccuTrigger set low and work the bolt hard and fast it will more often than not trip the safety feature of the AccuTrigger forcing you to have to lift the bolt to reset the trigger.

[charlie b]

I figured the PRS guys would be smart enough to not set the trigger that light and then the bench guys would not have to replace the trigger. :)

So, I wonder if Savage will do some 'work' on the bolt so it cycles fast enough?