110e .270 build help

[RustyShackle]

We learn the most from our mistakes. Sorry you are facing a cleanup.

Thanks for sharing, I’ve mentally cataloged this as a “what not to do”. Probably saved a few others from this mistake down the road too!

[mnbogboy2]

Doug,
I feel very bad for you. But you are right, if the mix was on the results would have been good. The nice complete fill at the lug is one thing you are looking for.
Use a nice sharp wood chisel from the sides to "carve" away the soft bedding. Use care not to pry on the wood on the top.
It shouldn't take too long to clean it all out. Clean as much release agent out as you can before you start digging out the epoxy. Others on here may know what works best to "cut" the Kiwi. Trying not to end up with it on the cleaned up area.
Your second batch and go around should be less "stressfull".
It looks like the pillar ended up where it should so the action must have been where it belonged. (Btw that was my biggest concern with your Velcro wire tie method).
The second batch may be a thicker mix so it may take more pressure to get the action down in the goop.
Hope I haven't been too critical. We are all rooting for your sucess.

[DesertDug]

Maybe I am making a zebra action...https://s8.postimg.cc/cl12n4os5/IMG_1695.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/rtr00wigh/)

Now on to the real deal. My first plan of attack is to do the pillars. After this I am thinking that is when I set head space. At this point I can finish opening up the forearm, which has been started. I am doing it by hand slowly.

Does this seem seem like a logical plan?

[DesertDug]

We learn the most from our mistakes. Sorry you are facing a cleanup.

Thanks for sharing, I’ve mentally cataloged this as a “what not to do”. Probably saved a few others from this mistake down the road too!

Yes Sir glad to contribute what not to do. I am not sweeting the clean up because I am not concerned with the test stock, I was glad I still had it around to practice on it. You never get everything right the fist time you try something, now if if get it wrong, well that won't say much about me.

[DesertDug]

It looks like the pillar ended up where it should so the action must have been where it belonged. (Btw that was my biggest concern with your Velcro wire tie method).
The second batch may be a thicker mix so it may take more pressure to get the action down in the goop.
Hope I haven't been too critical. We are all rooting for your sucess.

I am here for the critique, so keep it coming you have been a great help.

I will make sure to get nuts and washers when it's time to bed the real stock. I could not find any 28" 1/4" nuts in my bin. Home Depot did not have anything in 28, thread, but I will be on the look out.

Regarding this, there seems to be some thought that you do not want to add any stress in the action, so how tight do you want the action to stock connection to be when bedding the action?

[mnbogboy2]

Doug, your "test" stock may surprise the crap out of you! That bedding job that "almost" worked looked like that action would be snug as a bug in a rug. Your next range session will have you smiling.
I had to dig out two, one that I pulled too soon and one that was not set deep enough. Trying to paraphrase Rusty " we still are learning and we are learning from you too."

[DesertDug]

Was not set deep enough? Explain.

[mnbogboy2]

The thick epoxy held it away from where it was supposed to be. That was before I used studs and was using only "snugged" up action screws. I should have known better because the barrel road high in the channel.

[DesertDug]

Front action screw pillar prepped.
Squaring of the endss
https://s8.postimg.cc/gmmr693t1/IMG_1697.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/cq9fa9itd/)

then I used my case chamfer tool to clean up the edges

https://s8.postimg.cc/dfs7mw6l1/IMG_1698.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/jgpwjyt75/)screen shot capture (https://postimages.org/app)

tapping out the 11/32" hole.

https://s8.postimg.cc/s0dvv13np/IMG_1696.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/nehrmoi4h/)

Found out my screw driver is great to screw in the pillar.
https://s8.postimg.cc/w9ilxau39/IMG_1699.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/cewkb6evl/)print screen windows (https://postimages.org/app)

Stud has 4 or so threads exposed and not protruding through action
https://s8.postimg.cc/6dyve9sb9/IMG_1700.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/u4y8wdsi9/)

[DesertDug]

rear pillar cut and epoxy drying.
https://s8.postimg.cc/6x0acakf9/IMG_1701.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/4foj510ip/)picture hosting sites (https://postimages.org/)

[DesertDug]

I have my fingers crossed.
https://s8.postimg.cc/n57se0y45/image.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

i had to recut studs so that I had good threads on both ends
https://s8.postimg.cc/5qnk5hdr9/IMG_1702.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/g0pz4q3mp/)

got the two 1/4x28 nuts and washers
https://s8.postimg.cc/4blzgv7k5/IMG_1703.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
After lots of fitting everything is free floated except for the pillars
https://s8.postimg.cc/9n0w1o1dh/IMG_1705.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/87zbcy0a9/)windows 7 screen shot (https://postimages.org/app)
https://s8.postimg.cc/vm7aox7xx/IMG_1706.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/ii1qc8fw1/)https://s8.postimg.cc/thmxnxthh/IMG_1707.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/e8x0a5zsx/)screen shot on pc (https://postimages.org/app)

5 to 2. Sample spoons used for measuring
https://s8.postimg.cc/eloegdcxx/IMG_1708.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/e8x0a6uo1/)https://s8.postimg.cc/5f63so7l1/IMG_1709.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/cv5degva9/)

applied to stock. I am a little concerned that I had enough due to minimal squeeze out.
https://s8.postimg.cc/8m0ncdcmd/IMG_1710.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/cidz8cxlt/)

we will see. This has been consuming me! I can't wait to have her all back together and send some pills down range.

[mnbogboy2]

Each reciever radii by the action screws and the lug area are the most important areas to fill. The areas along the sides are less important and less than 100% fill can be "patched" in later for cosmetic reasons. We have our fingers crossed for you. Every thing is pointing to success!

[mnbogboy2]

Doug,
Your photos are a great tool for others. I have learned from them as well. The taping of the tang and barrel are a big plus for ending up with clearances that shouldn't need much additional work when finished. Thanks for the tip.

[DesertDug]

Doug,
Your photos are a great tool for others. I have learned from them as well. The taping of the tang and barrel are a big plus for ending up with clearances that shouldn't need much additional work when finished. Thanks for the tip.

I was swearing the clay in the barrel nut. Just seemed like I could tape it off and and be concerned about lock up.


I guess with a patch you just skim it? Seems like the liquid steel would be good for this but will they bond?

[mnbogboy2]

Pretty sure it would bond, as long as not messed up with Kiwi.
You would probably just be filling slight gaps that show up as ug-a-bug near the top of the stock. Piece of cake once you get that far.

[DesertDug]

Things are looking good. The left over epoxy is setting up, so no sticky mess this go around!

[DesertDug]

The good.

https://s8.postimg.cc/4mmfwvoqt/IMG_1713.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
the bad
https://s8.postimg.cc/sqd7kwc9x/IMG_1711.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/vkgcyceg1/)screenshot captor (https://postimages.org/app)

voids in the lug.

Can it be skimmed or do you float the whole action out? It seems like if I built it up it could add stresses or am I just over thinking this.

one side is perfect cast, the other not so much.
https://s8.postimg.cc/61o0lpd05/IMG_1712.jpg (https://postimages.org/)



?..???? It does feel solid without any action screws, but still masked.

[mnbogboy2]

Really hard to tell how much contact the back of the lug is making with the bedding. If it is only contacting at the bottom of the lug it is worth considering a re-do of that area.
If it was mine I would carve out the lug area and do that area over. The new mix should be "thin" so that the excess flows down & forward. The coverage at the pillar area looks perfect.
Goal would to avoid excess squeezing in that area.
The left side if not visible with the action in the stock probably will have no adverse consequence. A simple "skim" coat in that area will fill it in and the excess should squeeze out easily.
My opinion said it is pretty good for a first try.
Hopefully someone else will offer another solution or two.

[DesertDug]

been seeing that you can hone out (spelling?) and do sections. I think it only needs the lug area, there's plenty of room in front of lug for squeeze to run off to without effecting the action area which is good.

[mnbogboy2]

When you "hog" out the lug area probably a good idea to remove all that is under the lug and cut grooves on the sides to make sure new epoxy has a place to go. The tape on the bottom and sides of lug will stop the flow if the material is left there. You probably already know and have planned for that.