barrel swap ??

[noname]

My question is how are some guys swaping barrels in 15 minutes? On my mod 10
I have to remove the scope and base to be able to use the barrel vice..So what am I doing wrong
or is the 15 minutes all crap...:confused::confused:

[Phranque]

I'd call it (mostly) crap....:p

Once done a few times, the barrel change itself can pretty easily be done in 15-20 minutes, but all the peripheral tasks add up.

[RustyShackle]

Not crap! Use a rear entry wrench! Just so long as your front base screw doesn’t protrude into the bbl threads. The first go around it’s usually a bit more labor intensive

[Mozella]

I've never seen it, but I've read claims about people who lock the barrel nut to the barrel either with Locktite or with a set screw. They then use a strap wrench to unscrew the barrel without removing any other component, screw on the new one (also with a pre-set barrel nut), load 'er up, and fire away.

You could easily do that in 15 minutes, but I'd rather bring a second gun.

Some claim just screwing on the barrel "hand-tight" works just fine. Me? I like the idea of 50 ft pounds torque on the barrel nut the old fashioned way. I also like the idea of fiddling around as long as it takes to set the head space just right.

[noname]

appreciate your replies..i have a one piece base which covers the barrel nuy so always have to remove the base or cut the base back an inch which I hate to do..

[m12lrs]

appreciate your replies..i have a one piece base which covers the barrel nuy so always have to remove the base or cut the base back an inch which I hate to do..

here is how it is done. only difference is the savage barrel nut is glued in place creating the shoulder of the barrel and properly headspacing it. this barrel has a conventional shoulder

first 2 videos on this page

https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-verizon&tbm=vid&q=switch+barrel+change+using+a+rear+action+wrench&spell=1&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj_07bQl4DXAhUFyyYKHdtlCpEQBQgkKAA&biw=732&bih=332&dpr=2.63

[jglover_81]

I've done it but usually we take our time just to be sure we have it right.

[RC20]

I don't like to rush it, I know you can, but what's the point? Even going slow I made one mistake and not a clue how I did it.

No crisis, head space too long and no boom. Easy enough to fix and I could see it on the gauges latter.

Its not like we are going into a gun fight with these and have to do a barrel change for any reason (YRMV)

[m12lrs]

I've done it but usually we take our time just to be sure we have it right.

with a barrel vice and rear entry action wrench?


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DV_Ou4VPLjJ4&ved=0ahUKEwiCx-eVy4bXAhUMKCYKHeYYDTwQwqsBCCgwAA&usg=AOvVaw3g7VOqEUOEC9nIoVOcymxr


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DIYQ-bNDgf2M&ved=0ahUKEwiCx-eVy4bXAhUMKCYKHeYYDTwQwqsBCCswAQ&usg=AOvVaw36Wm9NhjzAr58yU6unyKQy

[noname]

COOL

[BillPa]

My question is how are some guys swaping barrels in 15 minutes?
I have to remove the scope and base to be able to use the barrel vice..
or is the 15 minutes all crap...:confused::confused:
15-20 minutes is a possibility depending on the tools being used, ability and experience. Post factory installed barrels for swaps I only use these two tools and a 5/16" allen without having to remove the scope and or mount(s).
http://s9.tinypic.com/mbsmcg_th.jpg http://s9.tinypic.com/bfh0s5_th.jpg http://s9.tinypic.com/2qlal3c_th.jpg
They go back together using the same tools. Time? I haven't timed myself but I'd say 15-20 minutes is within the norm. Using those tools I've already swapped barrels on a shooting bench at the range, the tailgate of my truck and last Thursday evening an '06 barrel for a 280 on the carpeted floor of my man cave.

Bill
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[jglover_81]

with a barrel vice and rear entry action wrench?


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DV_Ou4VPLjJ4&ved=0ahUKEwiCx-eVy4bXAhUMKCYKHeYYDTwQwqsBCCgwAA&usg=AOvVaw3g7VOqEUOEC9nIoVOcymxr


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DIYQ-bNDgf2M&ved=0ahUKEwiCx-eVy4bXAhUMKCYKHeYYDTwQwqsBCCswAQ&usg=AOvVaw36Wm9NhjzAr58yU6unyKQy

No we have an action vise that we use. We debated making a pair of pliers to hold the action just for quick swaps (after the initial loosening of the factory barrel) but gave up on that a long time ago.

[noname]

15-20 minutes is a possibility depending on the tools being used, ability and experience. Post factory installed barrels for swaps I only use these two tools and a 5/16" allen without having to remove the scope and or mount(s).
http://s9.tinypic.com/mbsmcg_th.jpg http://s9.tinypic.com/bfh0s5_th.jpg http://s9.tinypic.com/2qlal3c_th.jpg
They go back together using the same tools. Time? I haven't timed myself but I'd say 15-20 minutes is within the norm. Using those tools I've already swapped barrels on a shooting bench at the range, the tailgate of my truck and last Thursday evening an '06 barrel for a 280 on the carpeted floor of my man cave.

Bill
. where to get a rear entry wrench??

[m12lrs]

where to get a rear entry wrench??

Davidson makes a rear entry action wrench for savage. Brownells has them

PMA tools also has one for savage

http://www.pmatool.com/panda-and-remington-t-handle-action-wrench/

[BillPa]

where to get a rear entry wrench??

I made that one moons ago when I was into Rem switch barrel guns. It started life as a 12"-1/2 drive extension with the 1/2 drive end cut off I milled a 1/8" deep slot on both sides then tig'd the lugs in them. I used the 1/2" extension so I could use the T handle in the pics.

Bill

[clm2112]

Due to the low cost of Wheeler action wrenches, I simply carved out a place in the wrench for the picatinny rail to fit. So I don't need to remove it to swap barrels. I also do things a little different... I don't need to use a barrel vise, except for that first removal of a shouldered barrel from a receiver. Otherwise, I clamp the handle of the action wrench into the vise with the barrel pointing straight up. (Pardon the Remington 700 in the picture... it's a Remage conversion that goes together the same way a Savage does.)


https://image.ibb.co/fUWSD6/Remage_308_Sporter_12.jpg
https://image.ibb.co/iwWNfm/Wheeler_Wrench.jpg

[LoneWolf]

I’ll have to run a timer next time but pretty sure 15min is about average accept for retiming my Brake...


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[strut64]

I don't think racing through a barrel change is wise. I take my time in order to make sure that everything is correct; must get the head space right. recheck all base and scope torque values, torque the actionscrews, and finally bore sight the scope. When I get to the range the sight in can be done with much more confidence.

[LoneWolf]

It's not rushing, just have an efficient system. It's works, it's repeatable, and I'm comfortable with it. But I agree with you 100%! If you need to take an hour to feel 100% confident in your work then you should take an hour! If you're comfortable with 10-20min than so be it! Safety is always #1!

[clm2112]

I wouldn't call it racing through anything. It's just after you do it a bunch of times, you get rather efficient at it. I still check go and no-go on every barrel swap, still torque the barrel nut to the same value, still check everything else over before putting the barreled action back into the chassis. It is just a simple set of tasks that takes me about 15 minutes to carry out. So, I don't find the claims of being able to do it quickly to be out of line.

Edit: Just timed myself. Took 22 minutes. A little longer than usual, since the 243 Win barrel on the rifle had never been removed since it was put on at the factory. Threads were rusty (I was expecting this, as there were rust stains on the synthetic stock around the recoil lug...previous owner must have been hunting in the rain) and I had to switch around to using a barrel vise to break the barrel loose. Cleaned the receiver threads, threaded on a 308 Win barrel I just purchased from another forum user, head spaced, torqued, checked again with go/no-go, and put it back in the chassis. Bore sight it tomorrow and test fire the barrel. Nothing dramatic, just another in a long series of barrel changes.