Five things anyone wanting to shoot long range should know.

[toddcdozer]

Well ive had bullets blow 20' off, but it was over 1600 yds, and it was with a 200 gr bullet from a 30x378.
It would be one thing if it were a steady wind and you could adjust for it.
But otherwise you will never catch up with it at those distances, regardless of how good a shot you are.
Another thing that's very possible with wind at extreme distances, at least for hunters, is the very real possibility of the wrong animal falling over.
Shit happens they say, and especially when people are trying stupid stuff.
The spotter also needs to be the adult in the room, and determine when its time to pack it in.I try to keep it real, if the wind is over 25 our max is 800 ON GAME, coyotes, porcupines, turtles or rocks? WHO CARES. Most ELR we try to do in as low a wind as possible but beggars cant be choosers. If you don't shoot in high winds you will never improve, never get the data that shooting provides and where I hunted and shot, you will never shoot at all.
Wind reading is science/art. Where I hunted it was pretty science oriented as the lay of the land and the wind chargers gave us a high flow number but reasonably steady.
As you said someone has to figure when its too crazy, one of the hardest issues is literally holding still enough, its why I went to 40lb rigs. A 10lb rig a 30mph wind will blow all over.

[yobuck]

We have 40# rigs, its not the rig weight that matters with wind, its what happens after the bullet leaves the barrel that matters.
The worlds smallest ever 1000 yd 10 shot group wasent shot with a 40# rig. It was shot with a light gun class 16.5 pound rig.
And had the wind been howling that day it wouldn't have made any difference how much it weighed.

[toddcdozer]

We have 40# rigs, its not the rig weight that matters with wind, its what happens after the bullet leaves the barrel that matters.
The worlds smallest ever 1000 yd 10 shot group wasent shot with a 40# rig. It was shot with a light gun class 16.5 pound rig.
And had the wind been howling that day it wouldn't have made any difference how much it weighed.
I didn't mean to imply that the rig weight had anything to do with external ballistics. If you lived in a wind tunnel like I did, you would realize I meant that a 30" barreled 10lb rig, with a large scope and clamshell brake will be pretty hard to shoot in a 90 degree angle 30 mph wind. It will blow you all over the place, not your bullet, YOUR GUN.
Shooting a bow is even more fun around here. Look up the bow kill stats for Harper County OK. I don't know what they are now but used to be 2 or 3 a yr killed by bow.

[LongRange]

im going to have a talk with Mr.Furious and see if he will make another sub forum for you and buck...buck and todds LR corner or todd and bucks LR corner...you two can fight over whos name is first since you are both experts on the subject....HOLD ON...ive got a better idea...you two could start a ELR school...youd both be rich in no time...OH ****...that wont work...youd be to busy telling everyone how easy it is and buck would be to busy telling everyone it cant be done...on second thought it might not work out.

now with that said...i do know a little about the wind..and the snow..and the rain..and the heat..and the cold because ive actually shot in all of them.
heres the last 1000yd F-class match of last year...i only shot 35 rounds at this match...i also shoot off a bipod and a creedmoor sport shooting glove not a rest and a bag...

6mm creedmoor,115g DTAC at 3055FPS...just math right?

http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff515/LTT-/Mobile%20Uploads/1468805510.jpg (http://s1239.photobucket.com/user/LTT-/media/Mobile%20Uploads/1468805510.jpg.html)

heres my score card...and since this is all just math you should be able to figure out the wind was gusting not steady and you should know or at least be pretty close to knowing how fast it was blowing and about what the let ups were...

http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff515/LTT-/Mobile%20Uploads/1468805512.jpg (http://s1239.photobucket.com/user/LTT-/media/Mobile%20Uploads/1468805512.jpg.html)

you get the idea here...

http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff515/LTT-/Mobile%20Uploads/1468805507.jpg (http://s1239.photobucket.com/user/LTT-/media/Mobile%20Uploads/1468805507.jpg.html)

[LongRange]

like i said im not calling anyone a liar but the things you post are hard to believe...keep in mind there are some guys that actually shoot...A LOT...and are serious about it and when you come in saying how great you are someone is bound to call you on it...

you say you use to load at the range? i do too...

http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff515/LTT-/Mobile%20Uploads/1459684407.jpg (http://s1239.photobucket.com/user/LTT-/media/Mobile%20Uploads/1459684407.jpg.html)

heres a match we shot last year in a pouring rain...

http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff515/LTT-/Mobile%20Uploads/1462724455.jpg (http://s1239.photobucket.com/user/LTT-/media/Mobile%20Uploads/1462724455.jpg.html)

850yd coyote in front of the farthest truck up the hill...

http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff515/LTT-/Mobile%20Uploads/1462724451.jpg (http://s1239.photobucket.com/user/LTT-/media/Mobile%20Uploads/1462724451.jpg.html)

[XL105]

[QUOTE=LongRange;394301]im going to have a talk with Mr.Furious and see if he will make another sub forum for you and buck...buck and todds LR corner or todd and bucks LR corner...you two can fight over whos name is first since you are both experts on the subject....HOLD ON...ive got a better idea...you two could start a ELR school...youd both be rich in no time...OH ****...that wont work...youd be to busy telling everyone how easy it is and buck would be to busy telling everyone it cant be done...on second thought it might not work out.

Lmao lmao. I was thinking the exact same things. Figured have an off topic thread. Since they can ruin a thread like no other.
They don't give a **** that they do. They just keep rambling on n on n on. Get tired of hearing and seeing it.
Lmao I laugh not because they are funny or what they do is. They just don't shut up about being the greatest or not possible for someone else. Get over yourself.

I can say also this will do NOTHING good about changing this. But I'm sure others feel the same.


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[LongRange]

i could go on and on but i will leave it at this as its just a waste of my time debating or arguing with you...what ever you want to call it...but you know the funny part?...i consider myself an AVERAGE shooter so im not even in the same class as you...maybe some day...if you do end up getting the school up and running let me know id love to come and learn from the pros!!

[toddcdozer]

like i said im not calling anyone a liar but the things you post are hard to believe...keep in mind there are some guys that actually shoot...A LOT...and are serious about it and when you come in saying how great you are someone is bound to call you on it...

you say you use to load at the range? i do too...

http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff515/LTT-/Mobile%20Uploads/1459684407.jpg (http://s1239.photobucket.com/user/LTT-/media/Mobile%20Uploads/1459684407.jpg.html)

heres a match we shot last year in a pouring rain...

http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff515/LTT-/Mobile%20Uploads/1462724455.jpg (http://s1239.photobucket.com/user/LTT-/media/Mobile%20Uploads/1462724455.jpg.html)

850yd coyote in front of the farthest truck up the hill...

http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff515/LTT-/Mobile%20Uploads/1462724451.jpg (http://s1239.photobucket.com/user/LTT-/media/Mobile%20Uploads/1462724451.jpg.html)Where EXACTLY in my post did I mention MY GREATNESS? I stated 5 OPINIONS about LR and ELR shooting that I thought might be useful for guys getting started in the discipline.
I never mentioned my ability to do anything.
I never said anything about any shot I had SUPPOSEDLY made.
I did try to give a counter point to some people who OPINE that shooting ACCURATELY at long distance is some kind of black magic.
The WHOLE POINT of the whole post is that ANYONE can do it. I am actually very rusty as I only get to shoot 1 or 2 days a month now.

The main reason I posted this thread which I STARTED and didn't intrude on someone else's thread was to MAYBE help XL105 who has been wrongly told he cant shoot a mile and to help another guy who shot at a 24" target 35 times at 1 mile and only recorded 3 hits, which I am Assuming was mostly due to an inability to measure bullet impact as I cant comprehend even wasting ammo like that without solid feedback as to what was happening.

Evidently there is a reason that few LR guys post on here. I will go back to my hole on LRH and leave you guys to whatever it is you do here. Kinda hard to learn anything if you don't listen. I learned something from Hafjed about LR spotting. I thought these forums were to learn on but evidently they are better suited for penis measurement. Bye Felicia.

[toddcdozer]

i could go on and on but i will leave it at this as its just a waste of my time debating or arguing with you...what ever you want to call it...but you know the funny part?...i consider myself an AVERAGE shooter so im not even in the same class as you...maybe some day...if you do end up getting the school up and running let me know id love to come and learn from the pros!!
Speaking of people who think they are all that and such.......you really had to use LONG RANGE as your screen name? And I think my defecation doesn't produce odor? You are something else sir. Have fun being the big fish in a little pond and pissing off anyone who might actually know something about LONG RANGE but who might threaten your self proclaimed status as THE LONG RANGE guy on this board.
Ever heard of a pot calling a kettle black?

[LongRange]

it was an 18" target at 1845yds..and you are right not having a spotter was the problem as i could not see my impacts...i ended up filming with my phone on my spotting scope like hafe did to see where i was....also like i said i dont claim to be gods gift to the sport and unlike a LOTTA ppl i post the good with the bad.

and FYI ive got a small penis so we will keep them out of this but i will say that you dont post like this over on LRH because if you did the fellas would rail you right off the board(or is that why your here now?)now thats not my intent here so you take it how you want i could careless...and hafe need your help...hafes pics should be enough to show he is a capable shooter...your more that rusty my friend and it seems like you learned something from me whether you want to admit it or not other wise you wouldnt be acting like my kid when i tell him he cant have a candy bar.

[XL105]

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[LongRange]

it was supposed to be shortrange but im just learning how to spell...and ive said a million times i DO NOT claim to be an expert on any of this or THE LONG RANGE guy on this board or any other board i just call em like i see em.

[LongRange]

im not pissed off im actually amused at this point.

[schnyd112]

toddc- It is surprising to you that grown men, that have been mastering their art, don't take kindly to being talked to like children? The condescending nature of the first post in this thread makes it evident that you just don't get it. Thanks for the basics. I never knew a spotter was so key to shooting by long range. When I want to shoot, I go shoot, whether people come or not.

No great loss will be felt by your absence, nobody will wonder where you went and what knowledge they missed, they will just remember a grumpy old man that needed to be the last word.

As as far as the penis measuring, I recall you being the one that kept pulling out the tape measure. Every thread you posted in turned into a "mines bigger than yours is." Some, quite literally.

[XL105]

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[LoneWolf]

[emoji897][emoji849] it's becoming more amusing to lurk on this forum than to post lol.




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[cowtownup]

I'm not surprised one bit by this thread. I'll admit, when I have a good day at a match or just at the range I think to myself that I've got something figured out.. But that typically doesn't last long because my next match or range session will humble the crap out of me. LongRange has been quite helpful to me for some time now through PM's and phone calls or even text messages and he NEVER capitalizes words or talks down to me. My suggestion to toddcdozer would be just to tone it down a bit (on second thought, tone it down a bunch) and practice a little humility. We want to celebrate everyone's success with them whatever level that may be, but we don't want to be told how freakin easy this stuff is when we're all just doing the best we can.

[yobuck]

10k is one hell of tape measure.
Don't worry yobuck will be along shortly to defend both of your honors. But in the then end you both just keep making the pile of manure so big a farmer finds it impossible to believe it.
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Well I personaly don't think there is anything needing defending. Obviously the ones who do feel that way have already done so.
Ive tried to explain to you (personaly), there are 2 types of long range shooting. But let me repeat that for all to see.
I can take (any) one inch group shooter, never having fired a single shot long range, and have them hitting milk jugs at 1000 yds much easier than they thought it possible.
I'm not saying, and haven't ever said, they could then go win a rifle match, because I do in fact know better than to say or even think that.
But if they can hit a milk jug consistantly, they can also kill a deer long range if they desire to do so.
Whats so hard to understand about that?
A poor shot at a target on a windy day, is simply a poor shot at a target. But it could be a whole different story for a deer you might never even find.
Whats so hard to understand about that?
I would think that even a non hunter might be able to figure that out, without it being explained in detail.
There would also be equiptment by way of optics other than rifle scopes, that are (necessary) to achieve those type results.
But that statement obviously comes off as an insult to some people, same as the lowly 1" shooter claim?
You guys can go shoot at your targets all you like, on any day you like, with any gun you like, in an attempt to defy the odds.
But when pics get posted showing just a couple hits out of an admitted 35 shots, beyond the accuracy capability of a gun, and probably the shooter?
Probably had I agreed with it all and joined in with the applause section, this whole thing might not have happened.
But on any other site where more experienced long range shooters might be, one wouldn't even dare post something like.

[XL105]

Yobuck is a f in tard

[LongRange]

ok buck since im on a roll anyway im going to get you lined out as well here because i and just about EVERYONE on this site is sick of you coming in and turning EVERY thread into a hunting debate when it actually has NOTHING TO DO WITH HUNTING!!

first i know perfectly well 1845yds is a LONG shot for a 300 win mag..i also admit that 3 hits outta 35 rounds is sad and ive said that..i also admit a good spotter MAY have made all the difference and i also admit REPEATEDLY THAT I AM NOT gods gift to long range shooting like you are...maybe after the class right?

with that said did you bother to READ ANY OF WHAT I POSTED? or just the part about 3 hits out of 35 rounds fired? uumm thats what i thought...FYI buck...at 1845yds,snowy day,white targets kinda hard to see and thats why after the first set up i when back and set up the plywood target to the right as a reference.

as ive said im not scared to post the good with the bad because i honestly could careless what you or anyone else thinks about my skills or lack of and like ive seen YOU say...most PPL target shooters and HUNTERS alike post what they WANT ppl to see NOT WHAT ACTUALLY happened...i dont hunt so i could careless about you droning on and on in EVERY Fn thread about you cant do that but if you were at my camp in PA we would get you all straightened out...and if i ever decide to start hunting i sure as hell wouldnt ask you for any advise because i already know my limitations and i think ive had this conversation with you and i remember saying i wouldnt take a shot at a live target much farther than about 800yds.

now just because you can not make a 1000yd cold bore shot with your 40lb bench cannon dont mean somewhere in the world..other than PA..guys get it done with much smaller cartridges WITHOUT a spotter...99% of my shooting is done without a spotter because 99% of the time i can see my own impacts and i just dont play well with others...PART of your problem is you are SO SET IN YOUR WAYS AND THINKING that you cant see past that.

99% of the posts on THIS site and EVERY other site for that matter when it comes to long range shooting ARE TARGETS buck NOT HUNTING YOU just turn it into hunting!! so who gives a SH!T if someone cold bores the target and stacks 49 more on top of the first shot or if they have 1 impact out of 50? THEY ARE OUT TRYING TO IMPROVE!!

so like you said to XL105...WHATS SO HARD FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT?? TARGETS DO NOT WONDER OFF INTO THE TREES AND SUFFER BUCK!!
normally i keep my mouth shut but between you and todd i just cant take anymore and as i said im pretty sure EVERYONE feels the same way!!